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Quranists and testing for clandestine agendas?

Started by Wakas, June 13, 2012, 05:59:08 PM

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Zulf

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Wakas

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nimnimak_11

Quote from: Zulf on August 23, 2012, 07:24:46 PM
It is better if we focus less on others and more on ourselves. It is better if we strive to improve ourselves and aim to find Source (Allah, God...) with ourselves, and free ourselves from the slavery of the mind (which should just be a tool, not the master). We should not judge others, because it will never ever be fair. Let everyone have their agendas. All we can do is to encourage manners and honest and logic ways of thinking. We will never be able to say anything about people's agendas. Why bother anyway?

Peace

Peace Zulf

I agree.
There is only virtue or benefit in thinking the best of others so long as one maintains their caution and prepares well. Judgement of the overall value, worth and goodness of someone is IMO only exclusive to God (since only the God is all-knowing).

What one thinks as a great sin may not be so great in the sight of God and what one thinks as a minor sin may be a great sin in the assessment and judgement of God.

To think oneself as better than another by thinking badly of others is to negate focus on one's own weaknesses and self-improvement. It is also possibly unjust to the other people and possibly an act of arrogance by he/she who forms such beliefs about others or the beliefs of others.

We are told that there are those who think that they are doing good but are only doing bad. IMO this further points to the fact that everyone should be heavily self-critical as well as sufficiently open-minded to make sure that they are not of those people and to make sure that they have done what they can to be aware of their flaws thus make sure that they are heaven-worthy both now and in the hereafter.

Bigmo

Quote from: nimnimak_11 on August 25, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
Peace Zulf

I agree.
There is only virtue or benefit in thinking the best of others so long as one maintains their caution and prepares well. Judgement of the overall value, worth and goodness of someone is IMO only exclusive to God (since only the God is all-knowing).

What one thinks as a great sin may not be so great in the sight of God and what one thinks as a minor sin may be a great sin in the assessment and judgement of God.

To think oneself as better than another by thinking badly of others is to negate focus on one's own weaknesses and self-improvement. It is also possibly unjust to the other people and possibly an act of arrogance by he/she who forms such beliefs about others or the beliefs of others.

We are told that there are those who think that they are doing good but are only doing bad. IMO this further points to the fact that everyone should be heavily self-critical as well as sufficiently open-minded to make sure that they are not of those people and to make sure that they have done what they can to be aware of their flaws thus make sure that they are heaven-worthy both now and in the hereafter.

I would like to add something. We must remember that the Quranist persuasion is still in its infancy. Its adherence are still searching their identity and their understandings. Its still an evolutionary process. The dust has not cleared yet and ideas are still being formulated. Their is still many resources not available and many are entering everyday starting from scratch. Its still very much a first generation movement with most Quranist coming from an alternative religious understanding prior to their Quranist journey. Often these prior religious understandings still has influences on them.

We must never forget this. Often some Quranist think they have all the answers and try to walk before they learn to crawl. We still don't have a single literature out there outlining the religious interpretations of the Quranist movement. Most books out there deal with an individual's understanding rather than the movements' understanding. We don't have a madhab yet. There needs to be more time in all this. The imprtant thing is that this movement has a great future since we don't have the obstacles with modernity as the Sects do. But its still a community thats still evolving and moulding itself to shape. It still has not taken shape.
88:21 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

Jafar

Quote from: Bigmo on August 25, 2012, 09:45:38 PM
We must never forget this. Often some Quranist think they have all the answers and try to walk before they learn to crawl. We still don't have a single literature out there outlining the religious interpretations of the Quranist movement. Most books out there deal with an individual's understanding rather than the movements' understanding. We don't have a madhab yet. There needs to be more time in all this. The imprtant thing is that this movement has a great future since we don't have the obstacles with modernity as the Sects do. But its still a community thats still evolving and moulding itself to shape. It still has not taken shape.

- We don't need single literature
- We don't need yet another religion/cult/sect.
- We don't need yet another madhab.
- What the world and humanity need is more tolerance, wisdom and understanding.. a.k.a secularism..

A member of this forum said it best.. this forum / movement / community is the 'purgatory' for people who succumbed to sectarianism in the past.

Open up your horizon people... explore world views.. see things from different angles.. read and study (not only) the Quran, but the Gospel/Torah, Gita, Tao Te Ching.. and many other materials as well..

Seek out not only knowledge but wisdom as well... don't be satisfied merely on 'knowing what'.. expand further to 'understand why'. And always test test test your own belief / hypothesis, never stop on asking 'why'..


Salam / Peace

Roshan

Quote from: Wakas on June 13, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
I have often wondered if some amongst the "Quranist" community have clandestine/hidden agendas. This could also include authors of works from any sect.

Are there signs that suggest no agenda / agenda etc? If so, what would they be?


Peace:

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Backing the wars sponsored by western 'jihadis'?

Roshan

aabdul

Quote from: Wakas on June 13, 2012, 05:59:08 PM
I have often wondered if some amongst the "Quranist" community have clandestine/hidden agendas. This could also include authors of works from any sect.

So, I was wondering, is there a way to test this? A way to ensure others or one does not have a hidden agenda, even hidden to oneself?

Salam/ Peace

Indeed there are ways to test this.   We can understand whether a person has any hidden agenda, observing the person over a period of time and reading his books and articles and listening to his speeches, and observing his life. 

    1. Check whether a person is more inclined to promoting him and his views over and above promoting the message of  Quran
    2. Check how humble and down to earth person he is,  how much respect he gives to others and their views and  whether he abuses or 
         throws insult at traditional scholars and their views in his writings.
    3. Go through his writings and check whether this person is interested in the establishment of an Islamic Society (State) based on Quran
    4. Check and see how much contribution he has made (by way of writing books and articles) to promote the teachings of the Quran

These are some of the ways to check whether person has a hidden agenda or not.   I have come across many schoalrs who claim to uphold Quran alone and I have found that Gulam Ahmad Parwez who could be considered as most sincere in his approach to uphold Quran alone without any hidden agenda.   

Let me extract below the points I have mentioned above and I will give a brief explanation how was Parwez (based on the what I have read his works).

1. Check whether a person is more inclined to promoting him and his views over and above promoting the message of  Quran

Parwez has written so many books and articles.  I have never seen him wanting to promote himself as a champion of Quranic thought.   Just this statement from preface to Urdu edition of Quran is sufficient to know how he considered himself.  He wrote; ?Islamic Laws originate from the Quranic text and not from the purport produced by me (or anybody else). I have also drawn inferences from some of the verses. In fact the right to draw such inferences belongs to the Legislative Assembly of an Islamic State, and not to any individual or sect. My inferences are not more than a pointer in this direction.?

2. Check how humble and down to earth person he is,  how much respect he gives to others and their views and  whether he abuses or throws insult at traditional scholars and their views in his writings.

I have never found Parwez using any word against other scholars, past or present.  All his discussions are on a intellectual level.  No one can see any abusive word he used against any scholars.  Just to mention an example; when he differed with other schoalrs over the translation of a verse in Quran, what he said what many mufassereens (those who write tafaseer) have translated that verse in a different way and "thus created a difficulty for themselves?.

Also, here is another statement from Parwez which will show how down to earth person he was;  ?Lastly, it is necessary to repeat the fact that all my efforts in interpreting Quranic teachings are but a human effort which cannot be considered free from error or forgetting, nor it can be considered as the last word. That is why I have only presented the Quranic verses in this collection, although at certain places conclusions have also been drawn from the purport of the text. If you do not agree with my corollaries, you may ignore them and make your own decisions by contemplating upon the text. My only objective is to facilitate the work of those intending to tread the Quranic path, (helping them along according to my own ability and breadth of vision), so that they my find it easy to reach the goal. I would like to be their fellow  traveler, not mentor. I shall consider myself fortunate enough if I can achieve this much.?

3. Go through his writings and check whether this person is interested in the establishment of an Islamic Society (State) based on Quran

Parwez earnestly sought for the establishment of an Islamic society based on Quran.  The issue needed to be discussed in details.  I will request those who are interested to read the following works of Parwez from www.resurgentislam.com

1. Quranic Laws (Qurani Qawaneen): by G.A Parwez
2. Constitution Of Islamic State By Parwez
3. Islam: A Challenge to Religion : By G.A Parwez
4. Quranic Permanent Values: by G.A Parwez
5. The Basis of Legislation in an Islamic State By Parwez
6. The Basic Human Rights in the light of the Quran By Parwez
7. Human Fundamental Rights By Parwez
8. Decisions in the Light of Quran (Translation of Selected Chapters) By Parwez
9. Islam a Failure? By Parwez

4. Check and see how much contribution he has made (by way of writing books and articles) to promote the teachings of the Quran

He has written so many books focusing on Quran only.  Two masterpieces of his life achievement are Lughat-ul-Quran (Dictionary of Quran - meaning of each and every word in quran in alphabetic order - mentioning the root word and its different dictionary meanings together with how the word and in what context used at different places in Quran running into more than 1800 pages) & Tabweeb-ul-Quran (each and every subject/ topic mentioned in the Quran in an alphabetic order together with the related all the verses in the Quran under the heading of each topic running into more than 1600 pages).  Also the Exposition of the Quran http://www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/expo/exposition.htm

Some of his works can  be read from the following websites.

http://resurgentislam.com/

Kindly download the exposition of the Quran from the above link (first link).  It is worthy of reading. Insha Allah.  Also you can follow the following link.

http://www.tolueislam.org/Parwez/BA_Parwez.htm

Peace
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scaredmuslimah

Well I will make it very clear now that I have no agenda, unless you consider wanting to learn and be at peace with my worship an agenda.

I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, so I would have given myself away a LOOOOONG time ago.  :)

Peace,

Amina

Jafar

Quote from: aabdul on September 09, 2012, 11:12:53 AM
I have found that Gulam Ahmad Parwez who could be considered as most sincere in his approach to uphold Quran alone without any hidden agenda.   

Thank you for sharing us your agenda and also Gulam Ahmad Parwez's agenda.. xD

scaredmuslimah

Quote from: Jafar on September 10, 2012, 10:10:11 PM
Thank you for sharing us your agenda and also Gulam Ahmad Parwez's agenda.. xD

Oh my goodness...I had to look him up, I had no idea who that was. 

Not bad...the man lived to be 109 years old, Masha'Allah.

Peace,

Amina