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Which are the four Sacred Months according to Quran ???

Started by MASOOMboy, February 16, 2012, 01:31:28 PM

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tlihawa

Quote from: mmkhan on March 06, 2012, 11:21:53 AM
Salaam tlihawa,

Do you really think brother that the word Iddat has two meanings? I don't think so. Every word of AlQuraan has a single concept as per my understanding.

It's up to you brother. If you think your concept and your current understanding suit your needs to make you closer to God, then I agree with you. Everyone has their own path to find the God.

Here, I just want to make you understand my point of view.

I think, let say,  if iddat in 74:31 refer to the number of malaika, then by the time I confirmed their number by seeing it, it's already too late to repent since I must be get into the hell.

Or, how does the number of malaika become a test for Rejecter? How come we talk to the people which likely has no idea about the malaika concept and it become the test for them?



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Instead of using two different meanings for the word Iddat, you can use the word count, it may suite all the aayaats inshaAllah.

I agree with you. it's about counting the period.

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Brother you are simply using the same logic as 19er, but just to differ them from the direct usage of 19 you took it as time-system. It seems to me such, may Allah forgive me if I am wrong. Does it make any difference if you use the number 19 directly on your concept?

Yup, it use the number 19 directly as 19 years cycle timing-system. And it's not a new concept. Ahlul kitab knew about it. Goggling it to find more information.

peace

tlihawa

Quote from: farida on March 06, 2012, 02:50:17 PM
Salaam tlihawa
I am not a 19r but as this number is mentioned in the Quran for that reason I think your point of view is plausible. Since there are two types of time period/year in the Quran sana and 3am could it be that your understanding of ʿiddatahum? in 74:31 as cycle of 19 years period which is actually 3am???
See in 9:37, which is about the sacret months year, the word used is ?Aaman?.
Whereas the word used to signify a ?day?, in the sight of Allah, is ?sanat? Also see 22;47 which, as I understand it, means that a full lunar cycle of days is 1x1000.... ?Verily a Day in the sight of our Lord is like a thousand years of our taAAuddoona...what do you think?

Regarding Hajj and Ramadan: Timing for the Hajj and fasting were known to people at the time of the revelation of the Quran, so they followed it as this was not a new addition to the Deen. For that reason I firmly believe that, even though names have been allocated to the lunar months, their pattern remains unchanged.
Peace


Salaam Farida,
Interesting thought you have. The first thing come in my mind is about the age of prophet Nuh.

29:14   And We had sent Nuh to his people, so he stayed with them one thousand years <sanatin> less fifty <ʿāman>. Then the flood took them while they were wicked.


If the ʿāman here means 19 years cycle, so we will find that the duration of prophet Nuh stayed with his people is 1000 - (19x50) = 50 years. It makes sense to me.

But when I get into this following verses, it's hard for me to accept that the ʿāman refer to 19 years cycle.

31:14   And We enjoined man regarding his parents. His mother bore him with hardship upon hardship, and his weaning takes two years <ʿāmayni>. You shall give thanks to Me, and to your parents. To Me is the final destiny.

and it's inline with this verse:

46:15   And We enjoined man to do good to his parents. His mother bore him with hardship, gave birth to him in hardship, and his bearing and weaning thirty months. So that, when he has reached his independence, and he has reached forty years, he says: My Lord, direct me to appreciate the blessings You have bestowed upon me and upon my parents, and to do good work that pleases You. And let my progeny be righteous. I have repented to You; I am of those who have submitted.

As we knew from verse 31:14 that the weaning period took 2 years, it means 24 months.

And both pregnancy period (6 months) + weaning period (24 months) = 30 months.

I found that period of pregnancy in sight of Allah is 6 months instead of 9 months as known today.

The rest 3 months is consider as awaiting time to ensure, not considered as pregnancy period:

65:4   As for those who have despaired of menstruation from your women, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months - as well as for those who did not menstruate. And those who are already pregnant, their interim is until they give birth. And anyone who reverences God, He makes his matters easy for him.

So with these verses, I can't find any relationship between ʿāman and 19 years cycle. Or maybe you have another opinion? I'm afraid that I missed something. Please advise.

Peace

farida

Quote from: tlihawa on March 08, 2012, 09:19:33 AM
Salaam Farida,
Interesting thought you have. The first thing come in my mind is about the age of prophet Nuh.

29:14   And We had sent Nuh to his people, so he stayed with them one thousand years <sanatin> less fifty <ʿāman>. Then the flood took them while they were wicked.


If the ʿāman here means 19 years cycle, so we will find that the duration of prophet Nuh stayed with his people is 1000 - (19x50) = 50 years. It makes sense to me.

As we knew from verse 31:14 that the weaning period took 2 years, it means 24 months.

And both pregnancy period (6 months) + weaning period (24 months) = 30 months.

I found that period of pregnancy in sight of Allah is 6 months instead of 9 months as known today.

So with these verses, I can't find any relationship between ʿāman and 19 years cycle. Or maybe you have another opinion? I'm afraid that I missed something. Please advise.

Peace

Salaam tlihawa
Thank you for drawing my attention to 31:14, I think sana according to brother SEid makes more sense:
SEid Guest Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer ? Reply #2339 on: July 11, 2011, 03:25:33 AM ?
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.2330
Jazakallah Khair