Messengers are forever

[Yahya Yusuf]

My understanding is that a messenger is always a prophet but a prophet is not always a messenger. For instance Adam was a prophet but he had no revealed message so he was no messenger.

Since Muhammad is the last prophet, doesn't this imply that there are no more messengers?

In other words, I understand this topic the other way round!

[Man of Faith]

Whether Muhammad is the last prophet or not goes down entirely on one Arabic word: "KHATAM". It is just only a few times in the recitation and it is talking about "sealed hearts" mostly in traditional translations.

And being a prophet is about having a special relationship to God in which you understand certain things due to your good relationship with God. Messenger/rasuul means just as the word suggests, to bring a message out to people.

Peace

[Themaninblack]

Salaam, I see. I did believe you accused me of shirk, but since you explained that I made a mistake in my judgment, I apologize to you; I misunderstood you entirely.

I cite my evidences based on Surah Quraysh and al-Fil, al-Masad,  Fussillat (41:26) for my statements, in case you wanted to know.

[Themaninblack]

Besides, if this is about sister JavaLatte,  why did you put my words in red, hmmn?

Have a good day,  Salaam.

[Crow]

I bypassed many of the previous pages of commentary, but wanted to share/ask this of the community: If one is learned in the teachings of the Qur'an, and can convey that message without error (in complete agreement with the text) is that person not a Messenger as well? Certainly such knowledge does not make one a Prophet- but if the defining aspect of being a Messenger is the ability to convey the Word of Allah accurately and truthfully (and this does not necessarily mean memorizing the entire Qur'an word for word, although that's a lofty goal for anyone) then by definition that person is a Messenger. By this criteria, I believe there are Messengers among us today- even though they themselves may not know it. If Mahmoud at the market is versed in the teachings of the Qur'an as it touches on honesty in business and he can teach that to others accurately, might he be a Messenger? If Sally knows the inheritance laws of the Qur'an backwards and forwards and can articulate that to others, might she be a Messenger as well?

Or am I completely off-base on this line of thought?

[huruf]

I agree with that, I even think that at a low level all people are menssengers, although some may be  vvery hard to decipher. But we all do something to teach others, even without our beings conscious of it and even if what we want is the opposite.

When we do it conscientiously and in all integrity and sincerity, we indeed are honest messengers. What is more, I think that in every person theres is this facet to wanting to transmit, it is not necessarily for vanity for proselitysing, but to let others share in our knowledge or feeling. We are all messengers, some consciously, some not, some honest, some not. Our striving should be to be honest, sincere compassionate messengers, compassionate for others nd for ourselves.

Salaam

[Arman]

My understanding is that a messenger is always a prophet but a prophet is not always a messenger. For instance Adam was a prophet but he had no revealed message so he was no messenger.

Since Muhammad is the last prophet, doesn't this imply that there are no more messengers?

In other words, I understand this topic the other way round!

Salamun Alaikum.

The understanding highlighted in red above has no basis from Qur'an what-so-ever, and most probably there is not even any "so called" hadis to this effect. Per my humble understanding this is a much later innovation - fabricated to support subsequent politicization of "Islam".

May Allah guide us all to the straight route.

Regards,
Arman

[FreedomStands]

My understanding is that a messenger is always a prophet but a prophet is not always a messenger. For instance Adam was a prophet but he had no revealed message so he was no messenger.

Since Muhammad is the last prophet, doesn't this imply that there are no more messengers?

In other words, I understand this topic the other way round!

Here is an article on the topic where I include some possibly interesting information about the terms:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607651.msg371946#msg371946