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Started by dawngorgeous, October 07, 2011, 05:17:16 AM

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mmkhan

Quote from: dawngorgeous on October 08, 2011, 03:52:30 PM
The other 'problem' I realise that I have is the problem of Arabic.  Just from this post I am realising that depending on the translation you have, you could be understanding differently.  I had no idea that bathing yourself could actually also mean doing wudu.  This is why I ask questions.  Of course, I understand that God will give clarity to the ones He wants to give it to.
Dawn.

Salaaman Dawn,

You are free to ask any question  :)

Usually I don't run behind dictionaries for meanings of the words used in AlQuraan. AlQuraan is different than other books on earth, it is a word of Allah.

What I do is, I search for the same word usage in different places in AlQuraan to get the proper understanding of any word used, it really helps a lot. Please look at the following:


5:6  یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡۤا اِذَا قُمۡتُمۡ اِلَی الصَّلٰوۃِ فَاغۡسِلُوۡا وُجُوۡہَکُمۡ وَ اَیۡدِیَکُمۡ اِلَی الۡمَرَافِقِ وَ امۡسَحُوۡا بِرُءُوۡسِکُمۡ وَ اَرۡجُلَکُمۡ اِلَی الۡکَعۡبَیۡنِ ؕ وَ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ جُنُبًا فَاطَّہَّرُوۡا ؕ وَ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ مَّرۡضٰۤی اَوۡ عَلٰی سَفَرٍ اَوۡ جَآءَ اَحَدٌ مِّنۡکُمۡ مِّنَ الۡغَآئِطِ اَوۡ لٰمَسۡتُمُ النِّسَآءَ فَلَمۡ تَجِدُوۡا مَآءً فَتَیَمَّمُوۡا صَعِیۡدًا طَیِّبًا فَامۡسَحُوۡا بِوُجُوۡہِکُمۡ وَ اَیۡدِیۡکُمۡ مِّنۡہُ ؕ مَا یُرِیۡدُ اللّٰہُ لِیَجۡعَلَ عَلَیۡکُمۡ مِّنۡ حَرَجٍ وَّ لٰکِنۡ یُّرِیۡدُ لِیُطَہِّرَکُمۡ وَ لِیُتِمَّ نِعۡمَتَہٗ عَلَیۡکُمۡ لَعَلَّکُمۡ تَشۡکُرُوۡنَ
5:6    O you who believe, if you rise to hold the contact prayer, then wash your faces and your hands up to the elbows, and wipe your heads and your feet to the ankles; and if you have had intercourse, then you shall bathe. And if you are ill, or traveling, or you have excreted feces, or you have had sexual contact with the women, and you cannot not find water, then you shall select from the clean soil; you shall wipe your faces and your hands with it. God does not want to place any hardship on you, but He wants to cleanse you and to complete His blessings upon you that you may be thankful.

The word used in 5:6 is "Tahharu"

8:11  اِذۡ یُغَشِّیۡکُمُ النُّعَاسَ اَمَنَۃً مِّنۡہُ وَ یُنَزِّلُ عَلَیۡکُمۡ مِّنَ السَّمَآءِ مَآءً لِّیُطَہِّرَکُمۡ بِہٖ وَ یُذۡہِبَ عَنۡکُمۡ رِجۡزَ الشَّیۡطٰنِ وَ لِیَرۡبِطَ عَلٰی قُلُوۡبِکُمۡ وَ یُثَبِّتَ بِہِ الۡاَقۡدَامَ
8:11    Sleep overcame you to give you tranquility from Him; and He sent down on you water from the sky to cleanse you with it and cause the affliction of the devil to leave you; and so that He may strengthen your hearts and set firm your feet.

The same word is used in 8:11 that also includes 'water' to clean 'with it'. I understand the word "Alaikum" means "Over you / On you", He sent down on you water from sky to cleanse you with it. Water coming down from sky is rain, when it fall over you / on you then I don't think you can save you head / hair from it, except when you are wearing something like helmet, cap, etc.

I understand that "tahhara" means to clean from top to bottom of our body. With this understanding you can conclude the meaning in 5:6 inshaAllah.


There is another type of tahhara without water but it is has nothing to do with 5:6 as that includes water.

9:103  خُذۡ مِنۡ اَمۡوَالِہِمۡ صَدَقَۃً تُطَہِّرُہُمۡ وَ تُزَکِّیۡہِمۡ بِہَا وَ صَلِّ عَلَیۡہِمۡ ؕ اِنَّ صَلٰوتَکَ سَکَنٌ لَّہُمۡ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ سَمِیۡعٌ عَلِیۡمٌ
9:103    Take from their money a charity to purify them and develop them with it, and make contact with them; for your contact is a tranquility for them; and God is Hearer, Knowledgeable.


May Allah guide us all to His true path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

dawngorgeous

Peace MMKahn.
I think you understood my question.  As you have pointed out from 5:6, it is clear that as well as doing wudu (washing the face, hands up to elbows, wiping head and feet) one HAS TO take a bath before praying if one has had sex.  I was simply asking from the speakers of Arabic, whether this bath would include washing the hair.  Your explanation of the verb has helped clarify for me that the verb would imply washing the head also.
Thank you for taking the time and for your patience.
Dawn.

mmkhan

Quote from: dawngorgeous on October 13, 2011, 06:33:21 PM
Peace MMKahn.
I think you understood my question.  As you have pointed out from 5:6, it is clear that as well as doing wudu (washing the face, hands up to elbows, wiping head and feet) one HAS TO take a bath before praying if one has had sex.  I was simply asking from the speakers of Arabic, whether this bath would include washing the hair.  Your explanation of the verb has helped clarify for me that the verb would imply washing the head also.
Thank you for taking the time and for your patience.
Dawn.

Salaam DG,

You are welcome. Praise Allah as He guides us all.   :D

May Allah increase us all in knowledge and guide us all to His true path  :pr
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

Asana

Peace Layth

QuoteWiping the head is a must for ablution. So, I suppose a person can bathe their entire body (not the hair) but would need to wipe the head for ablutiuon to be complete.

It looks like God was running out words to issue such a command. Glory be to Him, He is above that.

The verb for ?a state of ceremonial impurity/ junuban? is  fa-iṭṭahharū  in 5:6 and in 4:43 is taghtasilū while for wiping is ?wa-im'saḥū??.........I don?t know how you Layth came to conclusion that washing the body except hair by wiping it is washing/ taghtasilū  when it comes to definion of  fa-iṭṭahharū in the Quran given by God (taghtasilū) is beyond me!!

Another fallacy in your interpretation.

Whatever method we use for washing/bathing the body parts it applies to hair too....the whole body must be washed...The method has been left to us....If there was any exception God would have told us , He is very precise?.Since there isn?t then washing applies to the whole body including hair.

Asana

loxbox13

Quote from: dawngorgeous on October 07, 2011, 05:17:16 AM
Peace All,
I am wondering what everyone thinks about the rule of washing after sex.  Do people understand it to mean the hair as well?
Dawn.
The best is to take a shower, make sure use shampoo
allah gave us mind, he's not gonna tell us how to was our behinds, come on, if it had to be the case, than he could have created us like any other animals and inspire us of everything we do

afridi220

Quote from: loxbox13 on October 14, 2011, 09:54:44 PM
The best is to take a shower, make sure use shampoo
allah gave us mind, he's not gonna tell us how to was our behinds, come on, if it had to be the case, than he could have created us like any other animals and inspire us of everything we do

Have you ever heard one say my hair hurts doctor. your hair can never hurt but your head which is a body part can hurt if hair is pulled out. Another reason hair isn't a body part is because we don't need it or at least not all of it. thats why get hair cuts or shave. everything that is labeled as a body part is something we need.
Do you take bath with cloth on ;) :hypno: :tempt:
Peace


People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered; forgive them anyway

Emil

Quote from: afridi220 on October 15, 2011, 08:24:50 AM
Have you ever heard one say my hair hurts doctor. your hair can never hurt but your head which is a body part can hurt if hair is pulled out. Another reason hair isn't a body part is because we don't need it or at least not all of it. thats why get hair cuts or shave. everything that is labeled as a body part is something we need.
Do you take bath with cloth on ;) :hypno: :tempt:

That is by far the most rebuttal today. You rock Afridi!

Asana

afridi

QuoteAnother reason hair isn't a body part

It?s true?.When we usually talk about washing hair, we?re talking about head and hair.
Quote
Do you take bath with cloth on

Swimming, diving! Does that answer your question?! ;D

If you have hair on your head can you wash your head without washing the hair?!! :)

Asana

loxbox13

Quote from: afridi220 on October 15, 2011, 08:24:50 AM
Have you ever heard one say my hair hurts doctor. your hair can never hurt but your head which is a body part can hurt if hair is pulled out. Another reason hair isn't a body part is because we don't need it or at least not all of it. thats why get hair cuts or shave. everything that is labeled as a body part is something we need.
Do you take bath with cloth on ;) :hypno: :tempt:
That wasn't the point at all of what i said, it wasn't about body parts,  well,  if you feel cloths arent a part of your body,  that is a problem, because they have to be clean in order to feel comfortable, even though they're not a part of a body,  your hair either,  is your follecule a part of yoru body or not ?  some body parts re-grow like nails for exemple, some parts we loose,  some peope loose their vue,  some loose their hair
I don't know what was the pont of your reply
all I meant was to think logic, for we are responsible of our intelligence that all,  taking a shower is better than doing wudu  and doing both is ridiculous, that is how logic says, unless, god need us to do wudu  even after a shower

siki

Quote from: warner on October 08, 2011, 11:22:05 AM
Peace Emil

The "thahara" in 5:6 means purify/clean and "bathe" is a forced meaning by the translators.

Also the most distorted meaning for "janaba" can not mean "intercourse"

peace brother

how are you?

I was just browsing through when i came across your post, i would like to clarify;

I agree that " THaarOO" means cleaning, or purifing,  but, 5-56 created a question,"

"THharrooo"  HOW?  This was clarified in 4-43,

يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ لاَ تَقْرَبُواْ الصَّلاَةَ وَأَنتُمْ سُكَارَى حَتَّى تَعْلَمُواْ مَا تَقُولُونَ وَلاَ جُنُبًا إِلاَّ عَابِرِي سَبِيلٍ حَتَّى تَغْتَسِلُواْ وَإِن كُنتُم مَّرْضَى أَوْ عَلَى سَفَرٍ أَوْ جَاءَ أَحَدٌ مِّنكُم مِّنَ الْغَآئِطِ أَوْ لاَمَسْتُمُ النِّسَاءَ فَلَمْ تَجِدُواْ مَاءً فَتَيَمَّمُواْ صَعِيدًا طَيِّبًا فَامْسَحُواْ بِوُجُوهِكُمْ وَأَيْدِيكُمْ إِنَّ اللّهَ كَانَ عَفُوًّا غَفُورًا


Purifying/cleaning is to be done by "Ghusal"---- Not only that, but an exception was also given to" ABRI saebellin" (Traveller)  If one is traveling and enters a state of junnab , he can pray without taking a bath, with wadu only.

siki