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Started by AlboDibran, October 04, 2011, 09:07:35 PM

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AlboDibran

Some Muslims who have left hadith still believe the Quran allows sex with slaves. Now tihs is not meant to mock or insult anyone so please no one take it in that manner. but a serious honest question. Taking into consideration the ayat that forbid adultery, enforce punishment for adultery, command the freeing of slaves, and not to force anyone into anything non consectual, It puts op a lot of red flags that Allah would allow sex with slaves. which is commiting adultery, it is lewdness, it is against their will. it causes a major clash between ayats. And God forgive me if I am wrong in this, but it does not appeal to logic nor to my heart, that my creator would allow such a characterless act? Anyone looked into this matter? any error I make is my own shortcoming and may Allah forgive me if I am in error. salams

Producer

Salam,

Quranist Questions the Authority of Bukhari's Hadith

Christians Claims that Quran told Muslims must Obey Jesus and The Bible.


3:32 Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger."

61:6 And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"

43:63 And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.

2:285 "We make no distinction between any of His messengers."



I've read "The Authority of Sunnah" by Muhammad Taqi Usmani. It is very convincing for me, but,

One Problem, It has no Verse from Quran that forbids Muslims from Following the Jesus Bible!


Please, provide a Verse from Quran, that says, "Muslims must not follow the Bible."

Or a verse from Quran that sounded like this; "Jesus Teachings only to Jews".
I need that Verse from Quran!


No need "Authenticity Arguments"(There's already Plenty convincing arguments), Just a Forbidding Verse,

To refute Christians Claim of the Authorization of their Bible for Muslims.

Thank you and Salam.

Mazhar

Quote from: Producer on October 05, 2011, 09:11:23 AM
Salam,

Quranist Questions the Authority of Bukhari's Hadith

Christians Claims that Quran told Muslims must Obey Jesus and The Bible.


3:32 Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger."

61:6 And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah"

43:63 And when Jesus brought clear proofs, he said, "I have come to you with wisdom and to make clear to you some of that over which you differ, so fear Allah and obey me.

2:285 "We make no distinction between any of His messengers."



I've read "The Authority of Sunnah" by Muhammad Taqi Usmani. It is very convincing for me, but,

One Problem, It has no Verse from Quran that forbids Muslims from Following the Jesus Bible!


Please, provide a Verse from Quran, that says, "Muslims must not follow the Bible."

Or a verse from Quran that sounded like this; "Jesus Teachings only to Jews".
I need that Verse from Quran!


No need "Authenticity Arguments"(There's already Plenty convincing arguments), Just a Forbidding Verse,

To refute Christians Claim of the Authorization of their Bible for Muslims.

Thank you and Salam.

There is nothing which is termed as "Jesus Bible". Books conceived and written by human hands have no sanctity notwithstanding they are captioned to reflect as if they were the books sent by Allah, the Exalted.

And [be informed and note You the Messenger Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] never ever the Jews nor the Christians will be pleased with you till such time that you agree on literally following their [self made] creed. You the Messenger [Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam] tell everyone; "The fact is that the Guidance of Allah is alone  the Guidance [The Book of Allah/Qur'aan-explained conversely in 3:73]]; therefore be mindful that, if supposedly you inclined yourself to act/pursue upon their conjectures/desires/wishes, after that One [Qur'aan] which has brought to you facts of the concrete knowledge, there will certainly be none [including myself] from Allah for you to act as protecting guardian nor a helper". [2:120]

Word by word 2:120
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Producer

I'm Questioning the Authority of The Jesus Bible, not the Authority of Christian religion, not the Authenticity.

Authority of Hadith
31:6
And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.

Quran 6:1
praise is to Allah , who created the heavens and the earth.

The Bible, Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


Clearly The Bible, Genesis 1:1 do not Mislead, do not go against the law, Quran 31:6.


I need a Verse from Quran from a true Sunni Muslim, why The Bible is forbidden. A simple forbidding verse from quran that sounded like these,

"Muslims must not follow the Bible.",  "Jesus Teachings only to Jews".

Jafar

Quote from: AlboDibran on October 04, 2011, 09:07:35 PM
Some Muslims who have left hadith still believe the Quran allows sex with slaves. Now tihs is not meant to mock or insult anyone so please no one take it in that manner. but a serious honest question. Taking into consideration the ayat that forbid adultery, enforce punishment for adultery, command the freeing of slaves, and not to force anyone into anything non consectual, It puts op a lot of red flags that Allah would allow sex with slaves. which is commiting adultery, it is lewdness, it is against their will. it causes a major clash between ayats. And God forgive me if I am wrong in this, but it does not appeal to logic nor to my heart, that my creator would allow such a characterless act? Anyone looked into this matter? any error I make is my own shortcoming and may Allah forgive me if I am in error. salams

Enslaving others is an act of oppression... Period..
As such that answer the question of "whether it's legal to have sex with slaves", how could that be legal when slavery itself is forbidden.

Hadiths and Biblical apologists tried many times to defend such barbaric behaviors allegedly commanded by God.

"Treat others as you would like to be treated, that's the most important commandment".. as saith by Hillel and Jesus. In eastern philosophy this is known as "Karmic Law".

Those who failed to understand such simple concept and think that they can oppress other people because 'Their God saith they can do so' shall face the result of his/her own doing.. because that's the law which nobody can break or get away with.

Follow your conscience it shall not lead you astray.. because God speak through it to you...

"Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of other's opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition. They somehow already know what you truly want to become. Everything else is secondary."
-- Steven Paul Jobs

Salam / Peace

WhereIsTheTruth

Sex with slaves waao does that mean that i can enslave men and sleep with them as a bonus  :sun: well than Brad Pitt would for sure be my first sex slave  :eat: I would choose to have sex slaves in all shapes and colors lol. by the waY albodibran who told you that sex slavery is allowed when even the UN Forbids sex slavery and traficcing ? And is there any limit on how many sex slaves a person can have ? And can i rape other men as well or do i have to enslave them before raping them ?
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it

My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to God, Lord of the worlds.

WhereIsTheTruth

Quote from: Producer on October 05, 2011, 12:48:24 PM
I'm Questioning the Authority of The Jesus Bible, not the Authority of Christian religion, not the Authenticity.

Authority of Hadith
31:6
And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.

Quran 6:1
praise is to Allah , who created the heavens and the earth.

The Bible, Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


Clearly The Bible, Genesis 1:1 do not Mislead, do not go against the law, Quran 31:6.


I need a Verse from Quran from a true Sunni Muslim, why The Bible is forbidden. A simple forbidding verse from quran that sounded like these,

"Muslims must not follow the Bible.",  "Jesus Teachings only to Jews".

Brother I have asked the same questions to the sunnis and the reply given was always : ''God commands us to believe in the earlier books but however we THINK it does not apply for the bible today because its man made''. Than I said: ''but the ahadith are also man made'' and they reply : ''No thr difference between the ahadith and bible is the SCIENCE OF AHADITH(Isnad) which makes the AHADITH scientific reliable but makes the bible untrustworthy since its not scientific proven''.

In other words, both are man made but one can be trusted because of Isnad which is nonsense
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it

My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to God, Lord of the worlds.

Layth

Salam Albo,

The answer is "no". But I would like to know the line of argument that has been used to make this argument as you said it was made by people who do not accept the Hadith for authority?
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

WhereIsTheTruth

Quote from: AlboDibran on October 04, 2011, 09:07:35 PM
Some Muslims who have left hadith still believe the Quran allows sex with slaves. Now tihs is not meant to mock or insult anyone so please no one take it in that manner. but a serious honest question. Taking into consideration the ayat that forbid adultery, enforce punishment for adultery, command the freeing of slaves, and not to force anyone into anything non consectual, It puts op a lot of red flags that Allah would allow sex with slaves. which is commiting adultery, it is lewdness, it is against their will. it causes a major clash between ayats. And God forgive me if I am wrong in this, but it does not appeal to logic nor to my heart, that my creator would allow such a characterless act? Anyone looked into this matter? any error I make is my own shortcoming and may Allah forgive me if I am in error. salams

Ask these socalled Muslims that left hadith and still believe that quran allows sex-slavery if they would object if I made their fathers my personal sex-slaves.
Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it

My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to God, Lord of the worlds.

afridi220

Quote from: WhereIsTheTruth on October 07, 2011, 03:59:00 AM
Ask these socalled Muslims that left hadith and still believe that quran allows sex-slavery if they would object if I made their fathers my personal sex-slaves.

God save me from my friends - I can protect myself from my enemies.? :o
Peace


People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered; forgive them anyway