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Sidi

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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2012, 07:01:00 AM »
Salam,

FM Translation,
6:115    And the word of your Lord has been completed with truth and justice; there is no changing of His words. He is the Hearer, the Knower.

So now after 1400 yrs, the Arabic words Rijal and Nisaa has a different meaning???

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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2012, 08:39:36 AM »
We are talking about the meaning in the Qur'an. Should it perhaps be forbidden that people use the words as they are used in the Qur'an?

It is now, that by rijal are meant men only, not in the Qur'an.

Salaam

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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2012, 05:06:40 PM »
We are talking about the meaning in the Qur'an. Should it perhaps be forbidden that people use the words as they are used in the Qur'an?

It is now, that by rijal are meant men only, not in the Qur'an.

Salaam

Salam Huruf,

Are you sure? So what did ALLAH call men in the Quran?


" .... nothing has been left out of the book" 6:38

If ALLAH wants to make a woman prophet, HE would definitely have say so in The Quran. In fact, HE did chose a beautiful woman among all women, Mary the mother of Jesus [P].

3:42    And the angels said: "O Mary, God has selected you and cleansed you, and He has selected you over all the women [nisaa] of the worlds."

Was she made a prophet? No. That means no other women after her can ever be made a prophet or a messenger.

Salam



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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2012, 01:56:09 AM »
You look at all the ocurrences of the word rajul/rijal in the Qur'an and will see that in some of them it means any person, not a male.

And no, what you say is what you say, not what the Qur'an says. It does not say anywhere that a woman cannot be a prophet. It does not say that a black person cannot be a Prophet nor a Persian or a Egyptian.

It daos not say that only dhakar can be Prophets or that untha can be Prophets or messengers, whatever. God has not made such a law, or if He has made it, He has not told us. Maryam in one aya is named together with other messengers. You are making a law of something which God has not made a law.
And I wonder what is the importance of Prophets being one sex or the other. What does it matter? Is prophethood or messengerhood contagious to only one sex that all of the same sex should get some bonus out of it? Are males getting some kudos if no women are messengers?

Not that I have anything against discussing it, but why is so much weight given to the messengers being males or females? Are the other of the same sex going to get something rubbed on them?

Salaam







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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2012, 02:28:16 AM »
It's all about the cooties huruf.
God has a plan, Gaius. He has a plan for everything and everyone.

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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2012, 04:23:23 PM »
You look at all the ocurrences of the word rajul/rijal in the Qur'an and will see that in some of them it means any person, not a male.

And no, what you say is what you say, not what the Qur'an says. It does not say anywhere that a woman cannot be a prophet. It does not say that a black person cannot be a Prophet nor a Persian or a Egyptian.

It daos not say that only dhakar can be Prophets or that untha can be Prophets or messengers, whatever. God has not made such a law, or if He has made it, He has not told us. Maryam in one aya is named together with other messengers. You are making a law of something which God has not made a law.
And I wonder what is the importance of Prophets being one sex or the other. What does it matter? Is prophethood or messengerhood contagious to only one sex that all of the same sex should get some bonus out of it? Are males getting some kudos if no women are messengers?

Not that I have anything against discussing it, but why is so much weight given to the messengers being males or females? Are the other of the same sex going to get something rubbed on them?

Salaam



FM Translation
3:78    And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.


It is you who say what u say, twisting and turning the words of ALLAH with your tongue, No no, dont do that its not healthy.

FIRST: The Quran is the word of God.
SECOND: The Quran is perfect with no contradictions.
THIRD: The Quran is comprehensible and with no ambiguity.
FOURTH: That the Quran is straightforward with no crookedness.
FIFTH: The Quran is complete.
SIXTH: The Quran is fully detailed, and it encompasses all matters

Since the Quran is everything above, show me from The Quranic perspective that women was amoung the messengers.

Salam


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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2012, 06:02:24 PM »
A woman cannot be a messenger or a prophet!
It says clearly that even Mary had to be "CLEANSED" !
God has no Religion!

God is running everything.

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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2012, 07:04:35 PM »
A woman cannot be a messenger or a prophet!
It says clearly that even Mary had to be "CLEANSED" !

EXACTLY

By saying that women were made messenger, directly contradict verse 03:42.

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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2012, 02:14:22 AM »
Congratulations, brothers, your stock in the prophethood business has gone up.


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Re: A WOMAN AS MESSENGER
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2012, 11:57:55 AM »


FM Translation
3:78    And from among them is a group who twist their tongues with the Book so that you may think it is from the Book, while it is not from the Book, and they say it is from God while it is not from God, and they say about God lies while they know.


It is you who say what u say, twisting and turning the words of ALLAH with your tongue, No no, dont do that its not healthy.

FIRST: The Quran is the word of God.
SECOND: The Quran is perfect with no contradictions.
THIRD: The Quran is comprehensible and with no ambiguity.
FOURTH: That the Quran is straightforward with no crookedness.
FIFTH: The Quran is complete.
SIXTH: The Quran is fully detailed, and it encompasses all matters

Since the Quran is everything above, show me from The Quranic perspective that women was amoung the messengers.

Salam

You are such a sexist. Of course women were also messengers and prophets, no where does the quran say otherwise. Unfurtunately your sexism has no place in the quran.

Salam
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