"proof" of God

[Zulf]

I guess the author of the clip wants to say that there must be 'something' that created the creation/universe, and since something cannot come out of nothing, as he called impossible, he say this show that there is a God, that is not part of the created, and that always was, since time is just part of creation.

Are you saying creation came out of nowhere/nothing and that there is no god independent of creation?

peace

[Paradox Uncreated]

Have you read about first cause, cosmological argument and similar Zulf? If you`re into logical proof of God, fully acceptable ways of scientific thinking, you should google them.

[san]

Not exactly sure about what it is a big flaw in/of.... but yes I agree, however this easily happens as our senses live in a spatial world and our language is made to describe this spatial world. We cannot comprehend Allah... we can only make attempts in correct directions, and we can think about what Allah is not.
Peace

Yes exactly that is the way with our language, but then even with the limited facilities we have, isn't it far easier to think of Allah in the "HERE" (as we try to think beyond space) and in the "NOW" (as we try to think beyond time) and to experience what Allah is--Al-Rahman, Al-Rahim. This, IMHO, is the more correct direction that anyone can practice and prove to him/herself in this finite life, even as we're 'trapped' in the spatial/temporal thinking.

[Zulf]

Yes exactly that is the way with our language, but then even with the limited facilities we have, isn't it far easier to think of Allah in the "HERE" (as we try to think beyond space) and in the "NOW" (as we try to think beyond time) and to experience what Allah is--Al-Rahman, Al-Rahim. This, IMHO, is the more correct direction that anyone can practice and prove to him/herself in this finite life, even as we're 'trapped' in the spatial/temporal thinking.

Personally I find it good to think of Allah's AWARENESS to be 'here'. This is just a way of thinking. This way our minds can think of Allah as 'here' without attempting to "solve it all". How creation is actually composed... spirit, energy or something else... that I don't have a grasp on and I don't think it matter to have all details worked out... and I guess it's not even possible.

As far as time is concerned... all there is is NOW... past and future exist only in our minds, but if one's mind likes to think in terms of time lines, then one can think that Allah is "sitting" outside the time frame (beginning to now to end of times) being able to "look at" all times in history at once. So as far as one self is concerned, one obviously has to think of Allah as NOW, since you yourself is NOW, but Allah is not bound and trapped in time.

We can think of Allah through his good qualities and beautiful names... since we cannot grasp "him" otherwise.

All the best,
Peace!