Is Treating Allah as A God = Shirk ???

[almarh0m]

Peace

I have been wondering if Allah=God or "The God" and we start worshipping Him instead of serving him for the benefit of fellow human and other creatures. If we equate Allah to God, doesn't that connote that Allah needs, to be worshipped? I am sure that any thinking person out there knows that a Creator of Everything does not need anything including worship. Let's see what Allah says about Himself and "SHIRK" in some verses.

إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي

"'Innanī 'Anā Allāhu Lā 'Ilāha 'Illā 'Anā Fā`budnī Wa 'Aqimi Aş-Şalāata Lidhikrī.

""Verily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) for My Remembrance..

I thought that by worshipping Allah, we are treating Him as a God of a religion who constantly needs to be worship and I fear that by doing so, Allah will not forgive me and will not guide me to the truth,and we know from the Qur'an that Allah does not forgive shirk.

48   إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَ‌ٰلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاءُ ۚ وَمَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدِ افْتَرَىٰ إِثْمًا عَظِيمًا

"Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills; and whoever sets up partners with Allah in worship, he has indeed invented a tremendous sin".

Please help clarify this question.

Peace

almarh0m

[Kaiokenred]

We need to worship Allah. Allah doesn't need our worships, but we need to worship him so he rewards us well. Shirk is associating others with Allah, Allah is God, the only God, so its not Shirk saying Allah is God, even if Allah for some cases wasn't God but something else, its not your fault if you think so because the Quran says he is God and i don't know about translation thingy.

[mmkhan]

Salaam,

إِنَّنِي أَنَا اللَّهُ لَا إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدْنِي وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِذِكْرِي

"'Innanī 'Anā Allāhu Lā 'Ilāha 'Illā 'Anā Fā`budnī Wa 'Aqimi Aş-Şalāata Lidhikrī.

""Verily! I am Allah! La ilaha illa Ana (none has the right to be worshipped but I), so worship Me, and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat) for My Remembrance..

"Budni" is a derivative of "Abd" that means servant, so it has to be translated as "So, serve Me" instead of "So, worship Me".


May Allah guide us all to His only path 
Mohammed M. Khan

[sonnie]

Salaam almarh0m,
What is your definition of "God"? What is your definition of "Allah"?

[almarh0m]

Salaam almarh0m,
What is your definition of "God"? What is your definition of "Allah"?

Peace

A god is an object of worship in any religion, one who requires constant praising and worship by its devotees. Worshippers of a god is forced (brain washed/indoctrinated) by their priest to please this so called deity who does not exist by doing various acts of rituals. This is clearly a "false god"fake deity as Qur'an 2;256 explains:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. .

Allah is the real existence who does not need his creations to worship him, He doesn't compel us to do anything that we dont want to do and we have the choice to believe in His guidance or not. All gods are fake gods whose priests do scare people in order to control them. Allah is not a god but a unique force who is the creator of all things. Please see chapter 112 of The Qur'an.

"1   Say: He is Allah, the One!    
   2   Allah, the eternally Besought of all!    
   3   He begetteth not nor was begotten.    
   4   And there is none comparable unto Him.".


Peace

almarh0m

[Halil]

I dont know arabic but having checked its use "budūni" seems to refer to worhsip in pretty much every single case. You can check the link out if you like.
http://corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=51&verse=56
http://corpus.quran.com/qurandictionary.jsp?root=Ebd#(51:56:6)

Its irrelevant however to get into playing wordgames when it comes to this. In the quran it is mentioned countless of times that one is to praise God. The very first verse starts by sayind that "All praise is to God". To praise is to worship. To live and strive in his name is to worship. To pray to him and only him is to worship. To have him as the centre of your life and existance is to worhsip.
Worship of the lord and creator is something that comes naturally and is also very evident.

Its not God who needs to be worshipped. It is us that need to worship him, that is our ultimate purpose and that is what actually gives us purpose if we are not to live for our own needs and desires like an animal.

It really baffles me why anyone would want to avoid worshipping God. Not only that, i find it... unsetteling... to say the least.

[Abdun Nur]

Salaam,

I find it unsettling why anyone would want to worship a God, being by definition a fantasy of their mind, Allah never requests it, yet they corrupt and pervert the meanings of words to convert them in to worship, as if the personified god they have invented within their own mind has a 'God complex', requiring constant reassurance, pointless acts of blind devotion, resulting in metal stagnation, just to feel that his creation still loves him; I say 'him' as a female personification is called a goddess.

I ascribe this need to worship and pray to an outside authority as a failure to develop the mind to any point of reason, which is extremely unsettling! 

[Kaiokenred]

Peace

A god is an object of worship in any religion, one who requires constant praising and worship by its devotees. Worshippers of a god is forced (brain washed/indoctrinated) by their priest to please this so called deity who does not exist by doing various acts of rituals. This is clearly a "false god"fake deity as Qur'an 2;256 explains:

"There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower. .

Allah is the real existence who does not need his creations to worship him, He doesn't compel us to do anything that we dont want to do and we have the choice to believe in His guidance or not. All gods are fake gods whose priests do scare people in order to control them. Allah is not a god but a unique force who is the creator of all things. Please see chapter 112 of The Qur'an.

"1   Say: He is Allah, the One!    
   2   Allah, the eternally Besought of all!    
   3   He begetteth not nor was begotten.    
   4   And there is none comparable unto Him.".


Peace

almarh0m

But Allah means the God

You can aswell say

The God is not god like those other false gods that don't exist, but a real unique existance who created everything.

But it is not shirk to treat Allah as a god

Shirk is to associate partners with Allah.

But you're not associating partners with Allah, you're believing Allah is God, omnipotent, omniscent, how is that shirk?

You still believe that Allah is one even if Allah wasn't god and you believe he's god, you're not doing shirk, you're not ASSOCIATING OTHERS with him.

Allah is God ( might not be real that Allah is god, but still not shirk because you're not associating anything)
Allah is God, ( and an example), Zeus is God( he is not just took it as an example) Now you're doing shirk, because you associate another (false) god with Allah.

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Abdun Nur, you got no evidence or what so ever of what you're saying, of your opinion that Allah isn't God.

[Abdun Nur]

Salaam Kaiokenred,

you are young, why are expressing your views as if you have any ability to apply reason to conclusion? When clearly you have not this ability, you should consider the very first statement people believe to be the prerequisite of becoming a Muslim, not a view I share, as you have to establish a correct Islamic way of existing in this world to be Muslim not the expressing of a statement. 'There is NO GOD.' The very foundation of Islam in the eyes of the religious, yet they all deny it to be true? Yes it would be a shirk to express Allah as being a God, you are attributing Allah to something within creation, a male personification, I have explained this to you previously, if you want to get clarification of this you should read the Qur'an, and stop reading the religious translations hiding it, filled with the lies of scholars, hadith and other implanted religions.

[Kaiokenred]

Salaam Kaiokenred,

you are young, why are expressing your views as if you have any ability to apply reason to conclusion? When clearly you have not this ability, you should consider the very first statement people believe to be the prerequisite of becoming a Muslim, not a view I share, as you have to establish a correct Islamic way of existing in this world to be Muslim not the expressing of a statement. 'There is NO GOD.' The very foundation of Islam in the eyes of the religious, yet they all deny it to be true? Yes it would be a shirk to express Allah as being a God, you are attributing Allah to something within creation, a male personification, I have explained this to you previously, if you want to get clarification of this you should read the Qur'an, and stop reading the religious translations hiding it, filled with the lies of scholars, hadith and other implanted religions.

Present your proof, thats all i need, i saw nothing truthfully on your website, doesn't matter how young I am, i have more mind abilities then you( and then the majority of people), deal with that. If you bring decent proof then i might change my opinion, what made me more think you're theories were not right was this: There is no god, there is only what is not god. I mean wth... And it is not SHIRK, shirk is ASSOCIATING OTHERS, im not associating others, i just view Allah as a god the way it was revealed to me, i can't be guilty for it. I don't view  The REAL God as a man, but as the Creator, that is everywhere around us, has no beginning and no end, The Almighty, in control of everything , but you present Allah as just a single concioncses ( cba to write that in the good way ) but as nothing more, without a mind.

p.s Your opinions about how a God is are just like polytheist views.