Is there a specific Verse prohibiting The Overthrow of an Oppressive Goverment ?

[almarh0m]

Peace

Can someone please point me to the verse that specifically prohibit people from overthrowing a corrupt and oppressive government ?


Peace and Thank You

almarh0m

[Prince]

There isn't one in my opinion. If anyone says so the proof of burden rests upon them to a) demonstrate what the word government is in arabic and b) whether a government is supported as a quranic system and c) what does the quran say about those that are being oppressed (this one is the key imo).

PEACE

[Roshan]

Peace

Can someone please point me to the verse that specifically prohibit people from overthrowing a corrupt and oppressive government ?


Peace and Thank You

almarh0m

Peace:

I think if you look at the verses of Pharoah (who was killing the women and children of the Israelites) and Moses along with the mutliple verses on emigration, you will get your answer.

If anyone has any counter to this, please inform me of this!

Roshan

[Prince]

Peace:

I think if you look at the verses of Pharoah (who was killing the women and children of the Israelites) and Moses along with the mutliple verses on emigration, you will get your answer.

If anyone has any counter to this, please inform me of this!

Roshan

Emigration is one scenario but overthrow of government is justifiable in my opinion especially if it allows banks to charge usury as the government would be complicit in allowing this foul play to be perpetuated to its citizens:

GOD condemns usury, and blesses charities. GOD dislikes every disbeliever, guilty. O you who believe, you shall observe GOD and refrain from all kinds of usury, if you are believers. If you do not, then expect a war from GOD and His messenger. [2:276-280]

Also ponder on this verses:

It is permitted for those who have been persecuted to fight. And God is able to give them victory. The ones who were driven out of their homes without justice, except that they said: "Our Lord is God!" [22:39-40]

Besides it wouldn't make sense for Our Creator to prohibit fighting injustice or overthrowing a corrupt or oppresive government as our lives are dedicated to serving The God and not corrupt government/systems that shift the serving to the very few elite, robbing people of their God given rights.

PEACE

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[almarh0m]

Peace:

I think if you look at the verses of Pharoah (who was killing the women and children of the Israelites) and Moses along with the mutliple verses on emigration, you will get your answer.

If anyone has any counter to this, please inform me of this!

Roshan
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Peace

By "Specific Verse" I meant just that ....specific, If you can show me one verse that "Expressly Prohibit" overthrowing of an 'Unjust and Opressive' government . We do not need to infer from other verse to justify the lack of, or the non existence of such a verse in order to validate our argument . I am sure you were aware as to why I raised this question in the first place .

Peace

almarh0m

[loxbox13]

Emigration is one scenario but overthrow of government is justifiable in my opinion especially if it allows banks to charge usury as the government would be complicit in allowing this foul play to be perpetuated to its citizens:

GOD condemns usury, and blesses charities. GOD dislikes every disbeliever, guilty. O you who believe, you shall observe GOD and refrain from all kinds of usury, if you are believers. If you do not, then expect a war from GOD and His messenger. [2:276-280]

Also ponder on this verses:

It is permitted for those who have been persecuted to fight. And God is able to give them victory. The ones who were driven out of their homes without justice, except that they said: "Our Lord is God!" [22:39-40]

Besides it wouldn't make sense for Our Creator to prohibit fighting injustice or overthrowing a corrupt or oppresive government as our lives are dedicated to serving The God and not corrupt government/systems that shift the serving to the very few elite, robbing people of their God given rights.

PEACE

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RIBA = BRIBERY
SADAKAT = DONATIONS

[Prince]

RIBA = BRIBERY
SADAKAT = DONATIONS

Evidence please??

So in your opinion interest is allowed in the 'deen.'?

[loxbox13]

Evidence please??

So in your opinion interest is allowed in the 'deen.'?

if Riba is not bribery/corruption,  than how corruption is called in the quran ?

Zakat = fiscal system / Taxes


bayaa / البيع   = buy back, buy in, buy into, buy on credit,  buying, buying up
in other words,  investment .

Riba = Bribery

Tijara = Trade

Read the verses,  even phonetically,  the arab word is identical with the english / frensh / spanish / italian

Interests is not mentioned in the quran, but it is mentioned to don't take advantage of those in need. so I am not sure if selling money is legal or illegal in the quran.  but one thing is sure,  Credit is allowed in the quran, and the writing of the credit is an obligation,  so the return of the credit is up to the state , if it has interest or not.

[OPF]

if Riba is not bribery/corruption,  than how corruption is called in the quran ?

Zakat = fiscal system / Taxes


bayaa / البيع   = buy back, buy in, buy into, buy on credit,  buying, buying up
in other words,  investment .

Riba = Bribery

Tijara = Trade

Read the verses,  even phonetically,  the arab word is identical with the english / frensh / spanish / italian

Interests is not mentioned in the quran, but it is mentioned to don't take advantage of those in need. so I am not sure if selling money is legal or illegal in the quran.  but one thing is sure,  Credit is allowed in the quran, and the writing of the credit is an obligation,  so the return of the credit is up to the state , if it has interest or not.

It's good to push understanding of the quran but please refrain from taking it to the level of a fool:

83:01 - Woe to the defrauders,
83:02 -Who, when they take the measure (of their dues) from men take it fully,
83:03 - But when they measure out to others or weigh out for them, they are deficient.
83:04 - Do not these think that they shall be raised again?

Interest is the reason half the world is starving while the other half is obese, in a time when there is an abundance of everything.

[loxbox13]

It's good to push understanding of the quran but please refrain from taking it to the level of a fool:

83:01 - Woe to the defrauders,
83:02 -Who, when they take the measure (of their dues) from men take it fully,
83:03 - But when they measure out to others or weigh out for them, they are deficient.
83:04 - Do not these think that they shall be raised again?

Interest is the reason half the world is starving while the other half is obese, in a time when there is an abundance of everything.

I hear you , and I know that my understanding in the last months became a bit strange to many, and if I heard myslef saying what I say now 3 months ago, I would have fought against myself, but this is the way it is, and this is what i see and believe from all my heart that it is the truth, even though, I know that only the Lord knows who is on the truth and who is not,  and I might progress and see myslef as a person who was wrong, just as I see myself as wrong in many things a few months ago.

we go by logic and open mind
if Riba = usuary , and defrauders are called Fraud ,  than how do we call corruption in the quran,  corruption as buying voices in elections, or buying what doesn't belong to you ,  corruption in this sense
can you please help me in this,  and tell me what is the word corruption in the quran,  because corruption is very important for it is a main arm of Evil. thank you brother.