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True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« on: December 31, 2010, 01:58:44 PM »
Now before, you make up your mind or make an opinion on this first read it. Then before you decide to say 'What does it really matter?', 'Who cares what color the Arabs were?' and 'This doesn't matter' becaue 'We're all human beings' or 'We're all believers' or 'We all come form Africa', ask yourself this:

Did you know this before you read this?
Did you think that there was no such thing as a black Arab and that true Arabs look like all other Middle Easterners i.e. Turks, Kurds and Persians?
Did you think that Black Arabs were the result of slave trafficking from Africa?
Did you think that true Arabs were different racially from other Africans, especially Horn Africans?
Did you think that Arabs (or any other people for that matter) have always looked the same throughout the millenia?

If you said yes to any of those questions than your misconceptions have been correct and you should thank Allah that you have learned truth today, dispelled lies and have conquered ignorance. So, understand these truth, move on and challenge anyone else who would tell a lie, either purposefully or ignorantly on this topic now that you know the truth. If you refuse to accept these truths than know that you are lying to yourself for whatever the reason and that this tendency to reject truth and lie to yourself is probably manifesting in other facets of your life. So here it is:

Nineth century poet Abu Al-Hasan Ali ibn Al-Abbas ibn Jurayj, known as Ibn Al-Rumi, wrote a long poem to the Abbasids blaming them for the way that they treated the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS). It should be understood that at that time, the Abbasids had become very mixed with the Romans, Greeks, and Persians. Here is part of what Ibn Al-Rumi said in his famous poem called Al-Jeemia:


"You insulted them (the family of the Prophet Mohamed) because of their blackness while there are still pure-blooded black-skinned Arabs. However, you are blue- the Romans have embellished your faces with their color."

What does blue mean here in Classical Arabic? Lisanul-Arab says:

ابن سيده: الزُّرْقة البياض حيثما كان، والزُّرْقة: خضرة في سواد العين، وقيل: هو أَن يتغشَّى سوادَها بياضٌ،

"According to Ibn Sayyidah: Blueness is fairness/whiteness wherever it may be. And Blueness is a (tint) of green in the blackness/darkness of one's eye. It is said: It when the darkness/blackness of the eye is overpowered by fairness/whiteness."

So blue in Arabic (in addition to red) means fairness/whiteness, and when it comes to the eyes, when fairness overpowers the darkness in one's eye. This can also be applied to fairness in skin tone as well. The quote above uses the term blue like the definition of eye color given in Lisanul-Arab. He clearly says that it is the prominence of Roman/Byzantyne blood which made many Arabs quite fair-skinned compared to the much blacker/deep browner skin-tone of the purer Arabs. During that time those who claimed relation to the last prophet (sas) had maintained their Arab lineage much purer than other Arabs.

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A True Description of the Prophet Mohamed's Family (SAWS)
The term Sharif (nobleman) or Sayyid is used to describe a descendant of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) through his daughter Fatima (RAA). They are descendants of Al Hasan and Al Husein- the two sons of Ali ibn Abi Talib (RAA) and Fatima the daughter of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS). The Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) and Ali ibn Abi Talib (RAA) are from the Bani Hashim branch of the tribe of Quraish. They are the noblest of the Arabs. The Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) and Ali ibn Abi Talib (RAA) were first cousins. Ali?s father, Abi Talib, was the brother of the Prophet?s (SAWS) father. Once it has been established that the Bani Hashim were a black-skinned people, there should be no need to prove that the pure Arabs of the past were, in general, a black-skinned people.

In discussing the appearance of the Sharifs, I believe that it is appropriate for me to begin with the father of the Sharifs- Ali ibn Abi Talib (RAA). In his book Tarikh Al-Khulafaa (The History of the Caliphs), Imam Al-Suyuti described Ali ibn Abi Talib as follows:


و كان علي شيخا سمينا أصلع كثير الشعر ربعة إلى القصر عظيم البطن عظيم اللحية جدا قد ملأت ما بين منكبيه بيضاء كأنها قطن آدم شديد الأدمة

Ali was a heavyset, bald, hairy man of average height which leaned toward shortness. He had a large stomach and a large beard which filled all that was between his shoulders. His beard was white as if it was cotton and he was a black-skinned man.

There are certain names that we usually hear when the Sharifs or Sayyids - the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) are mentioned. We have all probably heard of Ali Zein Al-Abidin the son of ِAl-Husein the son of Ali the son of Abu Talib. Though his mother was Persian, he is described as dark-skinned (see Ibn Al-Sabaagh Al-Maaliki's Al-Fusoul Al-Muhimma). Where did he get his dark complexion from? From his father's side of the family, of course. This Ali Zein Al-Abidin the son of ِAl-Husein the son of Ali the son of Abu Talib married Fatima the daughter of Al-Hasan the son of Ali the son of Abi Talib.

Mohamed Al-Baqir- another name we hear when there is mention of the Sharifs, the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) - was the eldest son of Ali Zein Al-Abidin and Fatima the daughter of Al-Hasan. He was nicknamed "He Who Resembles" because he looked so much like the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS). He was described as dark-skinned, kinky-haired, and of average height (see Ibn Al-Sabaagh Al-Maaliki's Al-Fusoul Al-Muhimma). Mohamed Al-Baqir married Umm Farwa, the great granddaughter of Abu Bakr Al-Saddiq and they had Jaafar Al-Saadiq. Jaafar Al-Saadiq is another name frequently heard when speaking of the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS). He was described as black-skinned, kinky-haired, and average height (see Ibn Al-Sabaagh Al-Maaliki's Al-Fusoul Al-Muhimma).

Jaafar Al-Saadiq had a Berber slave-girl named Humaida and through her he had his son Musa Al-Kadhim - another well-known member of the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) whom many Sharifs claim descent from. Musa Al-Kadhim was described as very black-skinned (see Ibn Al-Sabaagh Al-Maaliki's Al-Fusoul Al-Muhimma).

Musa Al-Kadhim's son Ali Al-Rida is another well-known member of the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) whom many Sharifs claim descent from. He, too, was described as black-skinned. He was once standing in a bathhouse when a soldier entered and pushed him to the side and said, "Pour water on my head oh black one!" Ali Al-Rida began to pour water for the soldier and then someone who knew who Ali Al-Rida was entered the bathhouse and when he saw what was happening he shouted, "Oh soldier! Woe to you! Do you dare have the son of the daughter of the Messenger of Allah (SAWS) serve you?!" The soldier quickly began to kiss the feet of Ali Al-Rida and said, "Why didn't you disobey me when I ordered you?!" (see Shaykh Shablanji's, famous book ?Nur al Absar fi Manaqeb Aal bayt el Nabi al Mukhtar).

Ali Al-Rida had a son named Mohamed Al-Jawaad also known as Mohamed Al-Taqi. Mohamed Al-Jawaad was also described as very black-skinned. (see Ibn Shahrashoob's Manaqib Aal Abi-Talib) Mohamed Al-Jawaad or Al-Taqi had a son named Ali Al-Hadi. Ali Al-Hadi, too, was described as dark-skinned (see Abi Al Abbas Al Qarmaani's Akhbaar Al Dawal).

You have all probably heard of Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia. He is Mohamed the son of Abdella the Pure-Blooded the son of Al-Hasan the son of Al-Hasan the son of Ali the son of Abi Talib. Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia was nicknamed the Pure-Blooded of Quraish because he was so unmixed. His father Abdella was also nicknamed the Pure-Blooded. Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia was from the Bani Hashim clan of Quraish from both his mother and his father. Remember that Bani Hashim is the clan of Quraish that the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) and Ali (RAA) are from. Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia was described as very black-skinned and huge (see Al Haafidh Al Dhahabi's Al Ibar Fi Khabar Man Ghabar). He had a son named Hasan. His son Hasan was nicknamed The Father of the Tar because he was so black-skinned (see Ibn Hazim's Jumharat Ansaab Al Arab). This is the description of the pure-blooded descendants of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS). Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia wrote a letter to the Abbasid ruler complaining to him that he had more right to be the ruler because he was so closely related to the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS). Amongst the things he said in his letter to the Abbasid ruler was, "We are in the right...Our father Ali was the Imam (leader). How did you inherit the rule which belongs to the children of Ali?! You know that no one who seeks this position (ruler) has a purer genealogy than I do or is more highborn than I am...You know that no one has as close relations or relations to anyone better than he whom I am very closely related to (He means the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS)). I am from the best of Banu Hashim in genealogy and the noblest of them both paternally and maternally. No non-Arab blood runs through my veins and I am not related to the slave-girls." Bear in mind that Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia, who is here talking about how pure his Arab blood is and how closely he is related to the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS), was very black-skinned.

Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia had a brother named Musa Al-Jawn (the Black). Musa Al-Jawn was also very black-skinned. He was nicknamed Al-Jawn (the Black) because of his blackness (see Al Asfahaani's Kitaab Al Aghaani). The Sharifs called Banu Al-Akhaidar, who are found in Oman, Saudi Arabia, and other places, are descended from Musa Al-Jawn.

Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia and Musa Al-Jawn had another brother named Yahya the Possessor of Daylum. Yahya, too, was described as black-skinned (see Al Asfahaani's Muqaatil Al Taalibiyeen). Mohamed Al-Nafs Al-Zakia, Musa Al-Jawn and Yahya the Possessor of Daylum were all the brothers of Idriss the 1st, the father of the Idrissi Sharifs and the founder of the city of Fes in Morocco.

There you have it. These are the ancestors of the Sharifs or the Sayyids - the family of the Prophet Mohamed (SAWS) and as you have seen, they were all dark-skinned people. The question that remains to be answered is this - why aren't the masses aware of this fact?
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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 02:07:16 PM »
Peace,

I would like to add that yes many of those original black Arabs opposed their black tribesman Muhammad (Godbless him) whom God had chosen as his prophet and messenger. Many of them were the most despicable of creatures. So no one should think for a minute that because these people were black and/or Arab that they were some how superior to anyone else. And yes they created a great empire but at what cost are ALL empires created? Usually at the cost of the freedom of many and at the cost of truth, as power will seek to maintain itself no matter what. So, yes the Arabs were black and yes they created great empires which through cultural fusion with surrounding peoples spread light to much of the world, but for all its good and for its few benevolent and just rulers how many were ethnocentrist corruptors of the religion of the Quran who leaned towards pagan ways  more than towards the Quran? In addition to that how many of those original Arabs upheld the book and its ultimate rule but were overrun by persian and byzantines of the levant and their influence in the lands conquered by Arabs and even in the original Arab homelands? Food for thought.

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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 04:27:56 PM »
Did you think that true Arabs were different racially from other Africans, especially Horn Africans?

There is no such thing as a 'true Arab'.

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If you said yes to any of those questions than your misconceptions have been correct and you should thank Allah that you have learned truth today, dispelled lies and have conquered ignorance. So, understand these truth, move on and challenge anyone else who would tell a lie, either purposefully or ignorantly on this topic now that you know the truth. If you refuse to accept these truths than know that you are lying to yourself for whatever the reason and that this tendency to reject truth and lie to yourself is probably manifesting in other facets of your life. So here it is:

This doesn't answer any of the pre-empted questions you asked at the start of your post:

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What does it really matter?',

You didn't explain why it does matter that ancient Arabs were black.

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Who cares what color the Arabs were?

Yes, why should anyone care what colour the ancient Arabs were?  Does it serve a purpose? 

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This doesn't matter' because 'We're all human beings' or 'We're all believers' or 'We all come form Africa'

Yep, I'd agree with this statement.  We are all humans, so it doesn't matter that the ancient Arabs were black.

What purpose does it serve to know the skin complexion of people gone?  If you're trying to fight racism against black people in the Arab psyche, then I support you in every way, and this may well be a good way of going about it.  But other than that I don't see why this is relevant.   



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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 05:20:53 PM »
Peace,

It matters because to know truth and to dispel lies and misconceptions is noble in and of itself. It is obvious that this adresses big misconcpetions. Being Arab is also a linguistic and cultural complex, however there are aboriginal Arabs just as their are aboriginal Americans and aboriginal Australians and aboriginal south Africans. To think that the immigrants are the original people and always have been is to believe something false which can lead to respect not being given where it should be. There are still many aboriginal Arabs in all of the Middle East as well as nothern Africa, as well as aboriginal berbers. People have a big misconception about Arabs so before they make an opinion or a false statement they should know these things. More than fighting racism amongst Arabs it is also to fight racism and the miseducation of the world populace about who these people were and who they are today. Many false things have been stated about Arabs (and I have heard them with my own ears and read them with my own eyes) and have been passed off and believed as fact when they are pure ignorance and lies. The process of arabization has made many non-Arabs and Arabs with minimal Arab lineage into Arabs. So there is no doubt that now and even back then that Arabization allowed for non-aboriginal Arabs to be incorporated into the Arab identity. But let's not forget who the aboriginal Arabs were and are and what they looked and look like. Because for an Arab to dislike a black person because he is black is to dislike the purity of the identity he claims to be apart of. Also there has been a lot of big time brainwashing by European and Western education to white wash the Arabs, the ancient Egyptians and the Berbers and to deny the history that has led them to being black in thier minority instead of in their majority as it was in the past. On top of that they have claimed that the black people within these groups are the descendents of slaves. A gross lie, where they impose their experience with West Africans in the West African slave trade onto those groups, when it was immigration and mainly centuries of white slavery which made many Berbers, Arabs and northern Egyptians caucasiod in their majority today. So again the point of tihs knowledge is to dispel lies and teach truth.

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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2010, 06:06:35 PM »
Most people know that back in the time Arabs were darker skinned, dunno about "black" but it's a possibility. However a counterargument could be; didn't the first migration take place to a "black" nation Abyssina? or something?

no doubt countries got influenced by invasions/interracial marriages etc

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The process of arabization has made many non-Arabs and Arabs with minimal Arab lineage into Arabs. So there is no doubt that now and even back then that Arabization allowed for non-aboriginal Arabs to be incorporated into the Arab identity

what do you mean by arabization? there's a book on Muslim Studies 1 by Ignaz, he talks a bit about this. a lot of Persians took upon themselves "Arab" identity and they had a strong influence esp on islam. During 3rd century they were respected because of this they went out and studied islam, even taught islam and it is said they brought back with them and reintroduced persian practices which restored persian religious customs back to islam. it seemed they influenced "arabization" way before Byzantine's. Persians used to make up their lineages and if they didn't get caught well they got away with it, and many did according to Ignaz. Persians were known for good memory so it was like they were trying to outwit the arabs. Ignaz talks how persians weren't looked at in positive light, so if they could identify themselves as an arab they could reach to a high position or power. Arabs called them by diff term; the ones who were friends, the ones who were servants and something else but i can't seem to recall the name

the significance of colour is just history if you wanna fight racism well arabs have racism even in old times northern verses southern arabs hated each other even wrote malicious poetry against each other. it is known that the prophet came to preach love, respect and return people back to goodness.

standing up to truth? well i guess all i can say is God knows best

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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2010, 10:37:30 PM »
Peace,

Umm, Sarah did you read the original post? They were black like the Ethiopians. Black. And If you read the lexicons and the early sources there is no doubting it. It says this in plain language. Arab tribes even fought with each other before and unfortunately after Islam. Yeah persians learned Arabic and aspired to become Arabs. It is called at-ta'arrubu or al-isti'raab. The persians were smart people but many of them were key in corrupting and adding to the religion of the Quran. Many of them added to knowledge in Arabic and sciences that will always be appreciated. There was so much mixing with Persians, Levantine Byzantines, Levantine Greco-Romans, Armenians, Kurds, Slavs and Turks that this becoming an Arab without anyone making a big deal of it became possible (and there are tons of names for all the different sorts of mixtures and who in your family was an Arab or a non-Arab), although it was known (before colonialism) that the purer Arabs remained black. In pre-islamic times if you were the color of a persian or a levantine they said you were red/white like a slave and they disliked fair skin and took pride in their dark skin. Mainly because who dark they were was proof of the purity of their Arab lineage, which they took great pride in. Again, read my original post thoroughly please. And if you doubt all of the detailed sources and the 13th century (and previous) authorities on the Arabic language in Lisanul-Arab and other Arabic classics, well, I can't do anything for you. No one can. Yes according to the histories some Arab Muslims went to Ethiopia to escape persecution and yes Bilal was a black Ethiopian. But not only was he black but the Arabs he lived amongst were as black and some blacker than he was.  For instance the famous crows (al-aghribatu) of Arabia. Who were so black that they were nicknamed crows. And described as dark as bitumen and tar. Arabs of pure Arab lineage can only be black.  Check out www.savethetruearabs.com for more information on that. If you can read Arabic I'll post some more things. Although I've posted a bunch at the topic 'Nation of Islam for white people.' Only the dishonest can deny this stuff when they see it with their own eyes in the Arabic. It is in plain text. I'll say it again. they were black. From dark brown, to tar black. And most of them had bushy/kinky hair. These are just the facts. Truth and history. And it flies in the face of the lies that most of us have been taught and believe. That is why we must know it and accept it. If this causes problems for you then .  . . Something is wrong with you.

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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2010, 11:54:11 PM »
With enough evidence, i won't have any trouble accepting that the earliest/original Arabs are closer to the African race than anything else. My question: Is there even a single ancestor of humans named "Adam"? The more you see different people of this Earth the more you'd realize the possibility of pluralism in the origin of humans.

The site you mentioned, progod, says something about the black mud, that "Adam" (as a single persona) was created from black mud, and consequently, was 'black' (always a strange notion for anyone with any sensitivity towards colors). I don't see anything there that narrates Adam as anything other than the human being created/fashioned by Allah, similar to the quranic/bibilical story and so on, so i'll assume "Adam" is claimed by the author(s) as the first human being as well.

Now, can you explain how a man similar to a modern African man "changed" into all the human races we know today (in any period of time imaginable)? Did migration to the icy north pole turned his theoretical 'descendants' into Caucasians or Mongoloids? Did migration to the east turn them into Polynesians? Or did Ice Age? Or did radiation from past civilizations' nuclear war? Mutation? Or did our ancestors practice conscious transfiguration? Series of plastic surgery? How about the last few millennia? How about the last few decades? Haven't you witnessed how amalgamation have naturally produced new kind of 'breeds' just in a single generation? Please exercise similar questions for every claim that there was a single human arch-ancestor of any race.

Save the true Arabs, okay, that's a noble cause. But what that has got to do with "race"? Isn't the fact that they're human already enough to justify the cause?


::: i realized my post maybe quite off-topic, but i'm still having trouble understanding your motive (or that website's motive), so i'll let it as it is...


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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 04:59:24 AM »
I think its important to determine whether arabs originally were black or not and i appreciate the effort people put into such research. In no way do i see that it would suggest to some shady alterior motives.

Just think about Jesus and how he is portrayed today. Think about how the ancient egyptians are portayed. I am pretty certain also that Muhammad is imagined by most as being white and that the concept of him being black would arouse something in the way of discontent.

I remember once someone talking about a black kid in Iraq who was constantly bullied at school and being called "abd" (slave). The whole issue was about how even in arab lands being black was subject to rasism.

Everything is allways attempted to be portrayed in a white-centric manner with racial accuracy being a distant second or less. The problem is not that people involved in studying history in a racially accurate manner are somehow disregarding the great "humanity's oneness", but that most others are so inclined to the concept of the "whiteness" in all matters of importance.


With enough evidence, i won't have any trouble accepting that the earliest/original Arabs are closer to the African race than anything else. My question: Is there even a single ancestor of humans named "Adam"? The more you see different people of this Earth the more you'd realize the possibility of pluralism in the origin of humans.
There is a leading theory that, through a specific unchanging part in the Y-chromosome, one can trace the paternal ancestry of men. This study has besides identifying Genghis Khan as the common ancestor for almost 8% of the worlds male populaiton, also laid out solid evidence for that all the worlds males are descendants of one single man. This where every single male in the world share a common type of a certain characteristic part in the Y-chromosome. I remember hearing of this for the first time through this documentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6A8oGtPc4

There is also a feminine counterpart to this theory but i havent looked into much information on it yet. Here are two wiki links to both of them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam

Now, can you explain how a man similar to a modern African man "changed" into all the human races we know today (in any period of time imaginable)?
Its very easy for a dramatic change in skin colour to occur. The change being especially apparent for blacks. Its called albinism or for us more familiar by the name "albino". I dont know however if this can have an impact of any sort in the skin colour of the offspring.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/article2017493.ece
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Re: True Arabs CAN ONLY BE BLACK!!
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 06:34:31 AM »
Anwar

In future could you please shorten your paragraphs, it makes it easier to read :)

anyway the post I made was just to share info but you didn't manage to read between the lines. let me clarify, if Persians can "fake" being an Arab and get away with it, their colour would be similar to Arabs (at least some of them). so if you can prove Persians being Black/brown-like then i'd say you may have a strong argument.

Also who are the "true arabs" today ?

You might have read info about it but it's not exactly a topic i dearly need to dwell into because it's not benefiting me what colour they were.

I know they were dark skinned (i'm not sure who argues against that?) i've read poetry of black vs blue. arabs being black and blue others; ignaz has one of those poems in his book.

Halil

it seems racism is a common trend in many cultures. even amongst the darker skinned you'd see people who prefer the "lighter" dark skin.


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« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 09:31:50 AM »
There is a leading theory that, through a specific unchanging part in the Y-chromosome, one can trace the paternal ancestry of men. This study has besides identifying Genghis Khan as the common ancestor for almost 8% of the worlds male populaiton, also laid out solid evidence for that all the worlds males are descendants of one single man. This where every single male in the world share a common type of a certain characteristic part in the Y-chromosome. I remember hearing of this for the first time through this documentary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV6A8oGtPc4

I'm not sure about that anymore. The simulations used to prove/give evidence, are they free from 'assumptions'? It is an approached model, even if it's agreed to be the 'closest'. It's by no mean an end all be all, but rather part of an ongoing research. On the other side, there are recent findings (2010 i think) where it's said that Neanderthals are far more intelligent than what we thought before. I mean, what if the "modern man" was not limited to just Homo sapiens? (funny to say 'modern' which means 'now', especially if you're not holding on to the evolution theory). There's also very fresh news from Israel, claiming 400,000 years old 'modern man' fossils that could challenge the Out-of-Africa theory, but of course it's too early to say anything about. It's all very interesting though.

And re: "Muhammad is imagined by most as being white", yes, i can personally confirm that it's the case at least here where i live. It's the image i've been reading in hadiths and sirah/biography books... Maybe challenging his white-ness would invite the same reaction as claiming the ugliness of Joseph... :/


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Its very easy for a dramatic change in skin colour to occur. The change being especially apparent for blacks. Its called albinism or for us more familiar by the name "albino". I dont know however if this can have an impact of any sort in the skin colour of the offspring.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/woman/real_life/article2017493.ece

Thanks for that link. Some of the content make me sick though... :/ reminds me of the song "Spider Web" If it's a black man's racism, is it okay?... It's actually not racism... all that just for being born different! And i guess irrational ideas/fears played a role in that.

Regarding ancestry, however, albinism wouldn't explain the change of the other features/characteristics, would it?


True Love waits forever -- some just choose to fall in love sooner than some others. And the rest is by the way... nothing.