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Obour

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God house
« on: September 26, 2010, 08:43:11 AM »
salam

I think something I try to say is mentioned Here and there in the forum, so if its not something new for you pardon me  8)

وَإِذْ بَوَّأْنَا لِإِبْرَاهِيمَ مَكَانَ الْبَيْتِ أَنْ لَا تُشْرِكْ بِي شَيْئًا وَطَهِّرْ بَيْتِيَ لِلطَّائِفِينَ وَالْقَائِمِينَ وَالرُّكَّعِ السُّجُودِ 22:26

إِنَّ أَوَّلَ بَيْتٍ وُضِعَ لِلنَّاسِ لَلَّذِي بِبَكَّةَ مُبَارَكًا وَهُدًى لِلْعَالَمِينَ 3:96
فِيهِ آيَاتٌ بَيِّنَاتٌ مَقَامُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ ۖ وَمَنْ دَخَلَهُ كَانَ آمِنًا ۗ وَلِلَّهِ عَلَى النَّاسِ حِجُّ الْبَيْتِ مَنِ اسْتَطَاعَ إِلَيْهِ سَبِيلًا ۚ وَمَنْ كَفَرَ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَنِيٌّ عَنِ
الْعَالَمِينَ 3:97

And We have appointed to Abraham the location of the Sanctuary: ?Do not set up anyone with Me, and purify My Sanctuary for those who visit, and those who are standing, and the kneeling, the prostrating.? (22:26)

The first Sanctuary established for the people is the one in Bakk?a, blessed, and a guidance for the worlds. In it are clear signs: the station of Abraham. And whoever enters it will be secure. And God is owed from the people to make Pilgrimage to the Sanctuary, whoever can make a path to it. And whoever rejects, then God has no need of the worlds. (3:96-97)

this is what I want to say:
1- God house is not something symbolic, it is not really god house but a place or a building which is belong to no one, no one own it and it is not in proprietary of a human, thats why we call it God house.
2- God house is for people. it is not a forbidden area or such a sanctuary which no one should pass. it is certainly can not be that cube shape in makkah, because 22:26 said clean it for people to came in it. people not going to the Kaaba (that cube shape building is too small for that) God house is like our today mosque which every one can go inside of it, pray or even rest there (why not!).
3- its the first Sanctuary not the only one. it means God have more than one house, every sanctuary is God house. this one is the first one of them and just because Abraham build it with his heart and Pilgrimage is special.
 
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Re: God house
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 11:07:33 AM »
You may wish to consider the first post here:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601181.0
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Re: God house
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2010, 03:57:08 AM »
You may wish to consider the first post here:
http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601181.0

thanks, Im agree with most of these definitions but I can not accept bayt to means something subjective like deen as you mentioned because verses about it, as I know, are physically for example: makes the Pilgrimage to the House (2:158) place of the House, cleaning the House (22:26) the Ancient House (22:33)
 
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Re: God house
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2010, 04:50:56 AM »
thanks, Im agree with most of these definitions but I can not accept bayt to means something subjective like deen as you mentioned because verses about it, as I know, are physically for example: makes the Pilgrimage to the House (2:158) place of the House, cleaning the House (22:26) the Ancient House (22:33)
 

I recommend re-reading what I said and researching the translations, for example, there is no HJJ to/ila al bayt in The Quran.
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Re: God house
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2010, 06:09:38 AM »
ok. I see now that there is too much debates about this issue in the forum.
I should take a time to read them.
You have the right to delete my topic If you think that's better.
Im not certain about what I had said now.
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Re: God house
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2010, 07:01:32 AM »
Why delete? Learning is a continual process.

Let us know what you find once you have researched etc.
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Re: God house
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »
In 2:127, it is said that Abraham was told by God to raise (rafa) rules and regulations (qawaid) from (min) the Bayt (house). Now we all know that a physical building made of brick and mortar can not have some rules or principles attached to it that apply to all mankind in all times but from a single location on earth. Hence, this reference to Bayt in the verse is that of a metaphorical references. It is a spiritual house or a system that God has made for all mankind. This meaning may "overlap" with other words like sharia, deen etc. but may not be exactly similar.

Moreover, Bayt can not be translated as a physical house in the last verse of Surah Nuh..as he is pleading to God to bring all believers of the world into his Bayt. By the time we reach this verse, the whole world has been drowned in a flood already so there is no physical house.

Quran over and over says......DO NOT ASSOCIATE ANYTHING WITH ME.