Five Prayers Per Day

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Salaam dear Mohammed,

حَفِظوا عَلَى الصَّلَوَتِ وَالصَّلَوةِ الْوُسْطَىٰ وَقُومُوا لِلَّهِ قَنِتِينَ

Can u show me salat maghrin in the quran, and what makes it sunset ? and not before or not in the sun touches the horizon  but  exactly and the sun is set !
than i might believe what you're saying
I want to see sunset time pray, clear,
And can u answae me why didn't rashad khalfa see any 5 times in the quran,  he always say he get it from Abraham , can u explain maybe rashad doesn't understand the quran after all,, a messenger of god who  has no clue about times for salat in the revelaton

and last,  did u read this explanation in arabic of  فسبحان الله حين تمسون وحين تصبحون ?  it is not a hadith explanation, it is a quran by the quran,  u don't know better than the quran

[mmkhan]

Salaam dear Pierre,

Thanks for your detail reply.

"Salawat", in the context of the Quran and how God outlined FIVE Salaat times refers to FIVE prayers, including the 'Asr prayer. "Salaat al Wusta" could have been called "Salaat al 'Asr" but God chose to refer to it as "the Middle prayer" of all others, and to insist on the importance to remember God even during the 'Asr Quranic time frame time, which is a time frame of high activity for most people around the world, and because the goal of Salaat is to remember God (20:14) at all times, especially in the specific Quranic time frames that he allocated with his divine science.

As you said, Allah would have said "Salaat AlAsr" as He already said: Salaat AlFajr and Salaat AlEshaan. And you did not answer by question in my above post bro.

As per 4:103, Salaats are at specific times. So, what are they? And where are they written?

Salaat + AlFajr - 24:58 = Salaat at time of AlFajr
Salaat + AlEshaan - 24:58 = Salaat at the time of AlEshaan

AlSalaat + AlWusta - 2:238 = Salaat at middle/or you want to translate it?

Is AlFajr a time? = 
Is AlEshaan a time? = 

Is AlWusta a time? = 

Because "Salaat al 'Asr" is refered to as the "middle prayer", God gave us a crucial information proving that the total number of daily prayers is an odd number since there cannot possibly be a middle prayer with an even number like 2 or 4.

Where did you get this brother, can you please explain me with aayaats?

The procedure that I follow for Salaat is the procedure of the Quran.

But you are mixing Salaat, Dua, Tasbeeh, etc... all together in Salaat.

Allah said everything very clearly, as I saw your article [not fully], I found it more confusing because of a mixture of Salaat, Dua and Tasbeeh.

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

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Can u show me salat maghrin in the quran, and what makes it sunset ? and not before or not in the sun touches the horizon  but  exactly and the sun is set !
than i might believe what you're saying
I want to see sunset time pray, clear,
And can u answae me why didn't rashad khalfa see any 5 times in the quran,  he always say he get it from Abraham , can u explain maybe rashad doesn't understand the quran after all,, a messenger of god who  has no clue about times for salat in the revelaton

and last,  did u read this explanation in arabic of  فسبحان الله حين تمسون وحين تصبحون ?  it is not a hadith explanation, it is a quran by the quran,  u don't know better than the quran

Salaam,

The time for Salaat al maghrib is detailed here:

5. Sunset (visual disappearance of the sun until the end of twilight)
Quranic time frame: (92:1) And the night (layl) as it is spreading. (يَغۡشَىٰ = imperfect tense: action in the process = there is still light in the sky, the sun cannot be seen visually in the sky anymore as the night has appeared).
Salaat time:
وَأَقِمِ الصَّلوةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِّنَ الَّيْلِ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّاتِ ذَ‌لِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّكِرِينَ(11:114) And observe (O Muhammad) the ritual prayer (وَأَقِمِ الصَّلوةَ) at both extremities of the daylight (طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ), and (و) in the early watches of the night (زُلَفًا مِّنَ الَّيْلِ); verily good deeds repel evil deeds. This is a reminder for those who celebrate (their Lord).

فَاصْبِرْ عَلَىٰ مَا يَقُولُونَ وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا وَمِنْ ءآنَائِ الَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَىٰ

(20:130) So be patient regarding what they say, and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ) and before its disappearance (وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا), as well as from the (first) hours of the night (ومن ءانائ اليل), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the extremities of the daylight (أَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ), that you may be content.

- The limit between the Afternoon and Sunset prayers is ?the (complete) disappearance of the sun? (وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا). Once the sun has completely disappeared visually in the sky at sea level, it is time for the Sunset prayer, not one second or one minute before.

The same type of explanation can be done for all Five daily prayers, we simply need to understand the notion of Quranic time frames.

Peace.

Pierre

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Salaam dear Pierre,

Thanks for your detail reply.
As you said, Allah would have said "Salaat AlAsr" as He already said: Salaat AlFajr and Salaat AlEshaan. And you did not answer by question in my above post bro.

As per 4:103, Salaats are at specific times. So, what are they? And where are they written?

Salaat + AlFajr - 24:58 = Salaat at time of AlFajr
Salaat + AlEshaan - 24:58 = Salaat at the time of AlEshaan

AlSalaat + AlWusta - 2:238 = Salaat at middle/or you want to translate it?

Is AlFajr a time? =  
Is AlEshaan a time? =  

Is AlWusta a time? =  

Where did you get this brother, can you please explain me with aayaats?

But you are mixing Salaat, Dua, Tasbeeh, etc... all together in Salaat.

Allah said everything very clearly, as I saw your article [not fully], I found it more confusing because of a mixture of Salaat, Dua and Tasbeeh.

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

salaam,

God mentioned specific times for the day.
So is al Fajr a specific time?  
Is al Zuhr (or al Zaheerat) a specific time ?
Is 'Asr a specific time?
Is al Maghrib a specific time ?
Is al Icha'a a specific time ?

To all these time frames, God said we have to glorify Him. When God says in 50:39-40 glorify Him describing specific times, and to glorify Him at the end of the prostrations (فَسَبِّحۡهُ وَأَدۡبَـٰرَ ٱلسُّجُودِ) it is not a simple du'a but refers to Salawat involving prostrations.
Same thing in 20:130 where we find "وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا وَمِنْ ءآنَائِ الَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَىٰ" (and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ) and before its disappearance (وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا), as well as from the (first) hours of the night (ومن ءانائ اليل), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the (Four) extremities of the daylight (أَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ), that you may be content.
). It describes specific times for Salaat as God said in 4:103.

Peace.

Pierre

[mmkhan]

Wa Alaikum Salaam brother,

God mentioned specific times for the day.   -   Agree.

So is al Fajr a specific time?     -   Yes, and also Salaat is mentioned at this time.

Is al Zuhr (or al Zaheerat) a specific time ?    -   Yes, but Salaat is NOT mentioned at this time.

Is 'Asr a specific time?    -  Sorry, don't know, you have to give the reference.

Is al Maghrib a specific time ?    -  Yes, but Salaat is NOT mentioned at this time.

Is al Icha'a a specific time ?    -  Yes, and also Salaat is mentioned at this time.

To all these time frames, God said we have to glorify Him.

Where? And Glorify not Salaat?

When God says in 50:39-40 glorify Him describing specific times, and to glorify Him at the end of the prostrations (فَسَبِّحۡهُ وَأَدۡبَـٰرَ ٱلسُّجُودِ) it is not a simple du'a but refers to Salawat involving prostrations.
Same thing in 20:130 where we find "وَسَبِّحْ بِحَمْدِ رَبِّكَ قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا وَمِنْ ءآنَائِ الَّيْلِ فَسَبِّحْ وَأَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ لَعَلَّكَ تَرْضَىٰ" (and celebrate (O Muhammad) the praise(s) of your Lord before the rising of the sun (قَبْلَ طُلُوعِ الشَّمْسِ) and before its disappearance (وَقَبْلَ غُرُوبِهَا), as well as from the (first) hours of the night (ومن ءانائ اليل), and celebrate (the praise of your Lord) at the (Four) extremities of the daylight (أَطْرَافَ النَّهَارِ), that you may be content.
). It describes specific times for Salaat as God said in 4:103.

Again, you are mixing Salaat, Dua, Tasbeeh, etc... Allah specifically define each thing separately, Alhamdulillah.

For example:
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Example: 1
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4:165    رسلا مبشرين ومنذرين لئلا يكون للناس على الله حجة بعد الرسل وكان الله عزيزا حكيما
4:165    Messengers who were bearers of good news and warners, so that there will be no excuse for the people with Allah after the messengers. Allah is Noble, Wise.

Do you see the difference brother? Rasool and AlRasool. 'AL' makes a lot of difference.

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Example: 2
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4:94    يأيها الذين ءامنوا إذا ضربتم في سبيل الله فتبينوا ولا تقولوا لمن ألقى إليكم السلم لست مؤمنا تبتغون عرض الحيوة الدنيا فعند الله مغانم كثيرة كذلك كنتم من قبل فمن الله عليكم فتبينوا إن الله كان بما تعملون خبيرا
4:94    O you who believe, if you go forth in the cause of Allah, you shall investigate carefully. And do not say to those who greet you with peace [AlSalaam]: You are not a believer! You are seeking the vanity of this world; but with Allah are many riches. That is how you were before, but Allah graced you, so investigate carefully. Allah is expert over what you do.

What means that to you brother? What means 'That is how you were before' when someone say 'AlSalaam'?
As the aayat starts with 'O you who believe', they don't say AlSalaam anymore, but 'that is how they were before'.
Then what they say now?

6:54    وإذا جاءك الذين يؤمنون بءايتنا فقل سلم عليكم كتب ربكم على نفسه الرحمة أنه من عمل منكم سوءا بجهلة ثم تاب من بعده وأصلح فأنه غفور رحيم
6:54    And if those who believe in Our revelations come to you, then say: Peace be upon you [Salaamun Alaikum], our Lord has decreed mercy upon Himself, that any of you who commits sin out of ignorance and then repents afterwards and amends, then He is Forgiving, Merciful.

Do you see the difference brother? Al-Salaam and Salaamun? See how specific the words are, Subhan-Allah.


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Example: 3
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17:85    ويسءلونك عن الروح قل الروح من أمر ربي وما أوتيتم من العلم إلا قليلا
17:85    And they ask you concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is from the authority of my Lord; and the knowledge you were given was but very little.

Do you notice the difference between two highlighted parts brother? Question was concerning the Spirit, but knowledge given is in general is very little, it is not specific to the Spirit. Otherwise, it may say '...Wa maa uootitum min al'ilmiHI...' That 'HI' is not added so we have to take concerning the knowledge is in general.

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Example: 4
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33:53    يأيها الذين ءامنوا لا تدخلوا بيوت النبي إلا أن يؤذن لكم إلى طعام غير نظرين إنه ولكن إذا دعيتم فادخلوا فإذا طعمتم فانتشروا ولا مستءنسين لحديث إن ذلكم كان يؤذي النبي فيستحي منكم والله لا يستحي من الحق وإذا سألتموهن متعا فاسءلوهن من وراء حجاب ذلكم أطهر لقلوبكم وقلوبهن وما كان لكم أن تؤذوا رسول الله ولا أن تنكحوا أزوجه من بعده أبدا إن ذلكم كان عند الله عظيما
33:53    O you who believe, do not enter the homes of the prophet unless you are invited to a meal, without you forcing such an invitation. But if you are invited, you may enter. And when you finish eating, you shall leave, without staying to wait for a narrative. This used to bother the prophet, and he was shy to tell you. But Allah does not shy away from the truth. And if you ask his wives for something, ask them from behind a barrier. This is purer for your hearts and their hearts. And it is not for you to harm the messenger of Allah, nor that you should marry his wives after him. This is indeed a gross offence with Allah.

Do you see the difference brother about AlNabi and Rasool Allah? The same Aayat talks about two.

This is how Allah explains His aayaats. AlhamduliAllahi Rabbil Aalameen.

And there are several more examples....

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.
Mohammed M. Khan

[Duke]

I originally only saw three prayers but if they are not mentioned by name then it does not mean that glorification is not prayer. I only see five now, besides:

http://mesmorial.blogspot.com/

It is up to the student (Muslim) to decide what they think is correct, and I for one don't judge.

Morning prayer can be performed from the first ray of light up till the time when the sun has fully risen. It will only take 2 minutes maximum to pray the morning prayer (in its minimal form). If it is absolutely necessary that you not pray, then I imagine this verse can apply (in principle):



Thank you for the insight. Let me ask you. When the Quran mentions praise does it mean prayer all the time. I ask because sometimes I see praise and sometimes I see prayer. Are the two words interchangeable in Arabic. I read your article and it was very insightful and well thought out. I know you touched on that at one point but I just wanted some more understanding.

Thanks

"But if you are in danger, then (say your prayers) on foot or on horseback; and when you are secure, then remember Allah as He has taught you, which you did not know."

Qur'an 2:239

Khuda hafiz

[Wakas]

Salaaman Khalil,

Brother Salawaat surely is plural that means at least three, but lemme ask you something.

If someone ask you to keep all the books in a rack/shelve and the red one also. How do you understanding this?

When you say ALL BOOKS why not RED BOOK is included in it? Cause, RED BOOK is not with those books, but it was in another place.


Another look:

24:58    يأيها الذين ءامنوا ليستءذنكم الذين ملكت أيمنكم والذين لم يبلغوا الحلم منكم ثلث مرت من قبل صلوة الفجر وحين تضعون ثيابكم من الظهيرة ومن بعد صلوة العشاء ثلث عورت لكم ليس عليكم ولا عليهم جناح بعدهن طوفون عليكم بعضكم على بعض كذلك يبين الله لكم الءايت والله عليم حكيم

2:238    حفظوا على الصلوت والصلوة الوسطى وقوموا لله قنتين

"AL" = The

Salaat + Al + Fajr - [Regular Salaat] 24:58
Salaat + Al + Eishaan - [Regular Salaat] 24:58

Al + Salaat + Al + Wusta - [Something Special / Not Regular] 2:238

May Allah increase us in knowledge.
Mohammed M. Khan

Nice points.

[mmkhan]

Nice points.

Salaaman,

Thanks brother 


May Allah guide us all to His true path 
Mohammed M. Khan