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Proof Qur'an-alone is Error

Started by abdullah_m, November 21, 2010, 08:08:44 AM

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Ayisha

Quote from: Mushu on December 07, 2010, 06:46:58 AM
No you're not.  

You follow conjecture, as pointed at to you several times.  You follow hadith attributed to the Messenger via a broken, unreliable and utterly subjective referencing system.
Exactly! The hadith of rasool are clearly IN Quran and what he was told to "Say" by Allah.

Badr, the prophet was only a medium for the message, his duty was to deliver the message, the message is from Allah, not Muhammed or anyone else, ALLAH. We are told to follow the message, the messenger followed the message to the letter and it is there for us to follow it too, the MESSAGE from ALLAH. Following conjecture is what you are warned against in the message itself, the ONLY 100% sure 'hadith' of the messenger is what he was TOLD to "say" by Allah and it is in Quran.
In the name of God, The Compassionate, The Merciful.
Praise be to God, Lord of the Universe,
The Compassionate, The Merciful,
Sovereign of the Day of Judgement!
You alone we worship, and to You alone we turn for help.
Guide us to the straight path,
The path of those You have favoured,
Not of those who have incurred Your wrath,
Nor of those who have gone astray.

harris

Quote from: Badr on December 07, 2010, 06:11:17 AM
So you are associating Muhammad to a low level labourer ? I hope one day you'll realise all what he did for you.


Exactly my point! Ppl like you have been brain-washed for so long that you can never imagine the fact that the prophet was just another ordinary person who lived and died. He did not personally do any favors. He was chosen for being righteous and thus became an instrument in the spreading of the one message like all the messengers chosen before him.

What's interesting is how you were immediately so hurt when the messenger was classed at a level much below GOD. Don't you realize your folly? You cannot fathom the reality..

The funny part is even your hadiths say the same thing and yet you cannot accept it:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 654:
Narrated 'Umar:

I heard the Prophet saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave."



Every single human on earth is nothing more than a slave of Allah (a slave is ofcourse even below the level of a labourer). Try to accept that fact sooner or later.
PEACE.

Say: "I am but a man like yourselves, (but) the inspiration has come to me, that your Allah is one Allah: whoever expects to meet his Lord, let him work righteousness, and, in the worship of his Lord, admit no one as partner.
-Sura 18:110
Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

afridi220

Quote from: Badr on December 07, 2010, 05:37:23 AM
His spider-bear you mean...
Well, he first comb it with his spider comb then attach it with his spider rubber band. He hold it against his neck before puttin his mask and tadaaaa !

Loks like this spideer man is a sikh :D
Peace


People are often unreasonable, illogical and self-centered; forgive them anyway

harris

Quote from: afridi220 on December 07, 2010, 09:17:20 AM
Loks like this spideer man is a sikh :D

Sikh or sick, with that long beard of his, this spiderman would be more comfortable being superman or shall we say Super-Beard   :D




Quote from: Leyna on December 07, 2010, 06:14:34 AM
Absolutely haraam and absurd! I can't imagine anything less Islamic than girls with super powers; we all know women are weak, fragile beings who need to be protected and cared for by the men in their life. Besides, a girl with super powers would hardly be obedient to her husband, which, as I'm sure you know, is an important Islamic requirement.





Ofcourse! Guess superheroes whether male or female wont be haraam if they all get together in an acceptable way  ;)



peace to all.   O0
Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

Alen

As salamu alaykum,
with all due Respect.

@ mmkhan.
If Badr wants to have a picture of a Spiderman, then he has a free will to choose that.
Also, re-check Qur'an 49:11.

@ Leyna.
I don't quite agree with you there.
No disrespect but have you seen Wonder Woman? barbara Eden was playing genie in a bottle better then Bush led the country. She just blinked and got them the wish. Special agent Dana Scully. Nearly human terminator Sarah Connor. The way she handles a gun .... 
Then we have Princess Leia Organa.
Have you seen Sin City? Man, I gotta watch that again. Miho rocks!
CatWoman,
Lieutenant Ripley,
Halle Berry in X-Men and Famke Hanssen.
Plenty more.

All I'm saying here is this: men and women are equal and men don't always must take care of women. In The West, women have same freedom as men so the equality is seen and acceptable. Women are not weak. Women are strong, sometimes stronger then certain men. There are also women bodybuilders. Women in the army.

You know, in 1989 I actually wanted to marry Mary Elizabeth Mastrantonio after I saw her in The Abyss.

No disrespect, sister.

Peace.
39:53 Say: ?O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of God\'s mercy. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.?

mmkhan

Salaaman Alen,

Quote from: Alen on December 07, 2010, 01:07:22 PM
As salamu alaykum,
with all due Respect.

@ mmkhan.
If Badr wants to have a picture of a Spiderman, then he has a free will to choose that.
Also, re-check Qur'an 49:11.

Thanks a lot for reminding me of 49:11

Alhamdulillah brother, I am aware of 49:11, inshaAllah, I don't laugh at anyone. You might have mistaken, please scroll and check my above posts, if you find any, please feel free to correct me.

I laughed at the picture of spider-man with beard, that looks so funny to me.

Thanks again for your concern brother.

May Allah guide us all towards the Truth.

with all due respect.
Mohammed M. Khan
6:162    قل إن صلاتي ونسكي ومحياي ومماتي لله رب العلمين
6:162    Say: My contact prayer, and my rites, and my life, and my death, are all to Allah, Lord of the worlds.

3:51

Jack

You gotta follow the truth even it brings the whole thing crumbling down around you - Sam Tyler, Life on Mars (UK)

I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense

harris

Quote from: Alen on December 07, 2010, 01:07:22 PM
As salamu alaykum,
with all due Respect.

@ mmkhan.
If Badr wants to have a picture of a Spiderman, then he has a free will to choose that.
Also, re-check Qur'an 49:11.


Salaam brothers,
Thanks Alen for reminding us about sura 49:11. The only problem with the situation is that 'they' don't accept 'us' as brothers but instead look down upon us as some mislead followers of satan.
Bad boys, whatcha gonna do,
When THEY come for you?

Alen

As salamu alaykum,
with all due Respect.

@ Jack.
Okay, no problem, thanks for reminding me and God Bless you.
Sister Leyna, my apologies then.

@ Harris.
Don't worry. We then should not be like them. I think and also strongly believe that we should and maybe even must be a not only a better example but example in general, so that all can see it. I'm sorry for speaking for the majority but at the moment I see two really huge problems:
1. We are seperating ourselves into "us" and "them". We should be uniting and look for ways to get together and eliminate the differences. All that stands in the way, are the books written by those men. hadeeth by Bukhary & co. We're at war with sunnah and ahdeeth and not with "them". God knows Best.
2. The non-muslims see terrorists in us. That's not good. I'm not saying in all of us but sometimes in most of us. That's not good. One man just wanted to burn The Qur'an. See what happened? Salman Rushdie narrated hadeeth and they issued a fatwa. Person makes a exit from Islam - Allah SWT guides whomever He wants - but sometimes such a person dies under the hands of the men that misunderstand The Qur'an and rather follow books written by men.

No disrespect, brother Harris but I have several friends who are non-muslims, they're christians and they see a good example in certain muslims, Thank God and this is still very small step but Thank God we have began, AlhamdilAllah.
No disrespect, amigo.

God Bless you.
Peace.
39:53 Say: ?O My servants who transgressed against themselves, do not despair of God\'s mercy. For God forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, the Merciful.?

Leyna


Quote from: Alen on December 08, 2010, 01:25:47 PM
Sister Leyna, my apologies then.

No problem.  :-*

It amuses me though that after all my posts you think I believe in females being weak and having to be obedient to their husbands.  ;D