Wind could have parted Red Sea for Moses

[Mazhar]

Thanks Mazhar I am reading through it, although there is a supposed quote by Dr Zahi Hawass that then searched is ONLY found in this paper on the whole internet. Considering he is THE expert on the antiquities here, if he said that then it would be elsewhere. Saying that, the Pharaoh of Moses time has not been confirmed and was only suspected to be Ramses II because of his long reign.

Also this is saying about translating proper names like Musa and Misr, Musa/Moses is Moshe in Hebrew. If this all came from Arabia then it means both Coptic and Hebrew and even Aramaic were spoken in Arabia at this time, so I'm not convinced yet but I will keep reading.

I had gone through that sometime back and got hold of it after having seen yours and his posts on this topic that it may be of some interest. Because of clear Aayaat of Qur'aan on the subject I do not have any confusion that Misr, also called Egypt was the land from where exodus took place. Perhaps name of Haamaan also finds mention in old Egyption language.

[Pazuzu]

Concerning the article in Mazhar's link, one question caught my eye:

".....However, this concurring conclusion has left behind a trail of unresolved questions and consequential discrepancies, such as why the written Islamic history is not only contradicts this conclusion but also stresses its synergy with the common geographical knowledge preached by the bible?...."

The answer, as I believe it to be, is that Islamic History is 99% built on lies and hearsay. The books of Islamic folklore and history were all written some 200 years after Muhamad's time, probably by Jews.

or...

"...Why have the Arabs remained silent before such a historical sabotage since they were and still are the natives and inhabitants of Arabia where Asir is situated?...."

Because the entire history, culture, and politcal aspect of the Arabian penisula was hijacked by the Umayyad's, who were in league with the JEWS.


The article in the link also mentions Kamal Salibi's book, "The Bible Came from Arabia".  Insidently, you should know that barely 3 months after the book came out, the Saudi governement order hundreds of acres of land in the Asir region to be bulldozed, and to this day, they do not allow any archeological digs to be carried out in the area.

Anyway, many prominent Jewish scholars and professors of archeology have admitted their dismal failure in producing even a shred of physical evidence to support the pseudo-truth that Israel was in Palestine. Professor Zaif Hertzog (who teaches biblical history in the University of Tel-Aviv) wrote a ground-shaking article on this matter in an Israeli newspaper in 1999.

Kamal Salibi was able to prove that the   Old Testament we have is a corrupted version, and the modern Hebrew is very different from the original one. The original Hebrew lanaguage did not have any vowels in it. It only had consonents. For example, David was written "Dvd".     Mitzraim was "Mtzrm". Hence, it was nearly impossible to distinguish proper names from common names. This original, and purely consonential alphabet was very similar to Arabic, in its original form.  Salibi called for the  removal of all the vowels, and articualtion from the letters, retutning the text to its origin, and deducing the meaning of the words from their context. He found hundreds of matches between hebrew locale names and towns / regions in Asir, Saudi Arabia. The number of matches is so large that it cannot be coinsidence. (He speculates, for instance, that Mitzraim is the town of Masrama in the Najran Valley ).

The ones who are responsible for this corruption  - wether intentional or not  - of the Hebrew texts are an order of priests called  المسوريين  (the Masoretes) who were NOT natural speakers of classical Hebrew. The works of these Masoretes began as early as teh late 5th Century - early 6th Century, at around the same time that Muhamad was alive. By placing vowels and articulating the letters, they created a vocalized, and bastard version of the origina written Hebrew. DOes this ring any bells?? (Remember what the QUran says about the clergy who twist their tongues in the Hebrew language to divert the words from their origunal meanings).

The problem is that this topic (the geography of the Old Testament legends) is a very serious issue, and disscussing it will open a pandora's box, an lead to endless questions. You simply MUST read the works of Kamal Salibi, who delved into the depth of the Hebrew language, traveled many times to Saudi Arabia in the 70's and 80's, and eventually reached his conclusion. His theory has stood solid for 25 years, and until now no one has been able to disprove it.

In the following lonk are  photos of the "Promised Land" in Asir - Saudi Arabia.  It is a land rich with rivers, gardens ("jann'at"), forested montains and volcanic peaks, and matches the descriptions given in the Quran concerning the land that the Israelites inherited.

http://www.cwo.com/~thowoods/salibims.htm


Peace.

[Ayisha]

Kamal Salibi was able to prove that the   Old Testament we have is a corrupted version, and the modern Hebrew is very different from the original one. The original Hebrew lanaguage did not have any vowels in it. It only had consonents. For example, David was written "Dvd".     Mitzraim was "Mtzrm". Hence, it was nearly impossible to distinguish proper names from common names. This original, and purely consonential alphabet was very similar to Arabic, in its original form.  Salibi called for the  removal of all the vowels, and articualtion from the letters, retutning the text to its origin, and deducing the meaning of the words from their context. He found hundreds of matches between hebrew locale names and towns / regions in Asir, Saudi Arabia. The number of matches is so large that it cannot be coinsidence. (He speculates, for instance, that Mitzraim is the town of Masrama in the Najran Valley ).

In the same way a Arabic originally had no vowels and the language has changed. Modern day Arabic is not the same as Quran Arabic.

The ones who are responsible for this corruption  - wether intentional or not  - of the Hebrew texts are an order of priests called  المسوريين  (the Masoretes) who were NOT natural speakers of classical Hebrew. The works of these Masoretes began as early as teh late 5th Century - early 6th Century, at around the same time that Muhamad was alive.

Muhammed was born late 6th century.

By placing vowels and articulating the letters, they created a vocalized, and bastard version of the origina written Hebrew. DOes this ring any bells?? (Remember what the QUran says about the clergy who twist their tongues in the Hebrew language to divert the words from their origunal meanings).

putting articulation marking in written form is not 'by their tongues' but adding hadith and various laws previously used is, which is what they did. If you claim this is how the jews changed the religion then you also accuse the Arabs of doing the same as they too have added articulation to the language.

The problem is that this topic (the geography of the Old Testament legends) is a very serious issue, and disscussing it will open a pandora's box, an lead to endless questions. You simply MUST read the works of Kamal Salibi, who delved into the depth of the Hebrew language, traveled many times to Saudi Arabia in the 70's and 80's, and eventually reached his conclusion. His theory has stood solid for 25 years, and until now no one has been able to disprove it.

In the following lonk are  photos of the "Promised Land" in Asir - Saudi Arabia.  It is a land rich with rivers, gardens ("jann'at"), forested montains and volcanic peaks, and matches the descriptions given in the Quran concerning the land that the Israelites inherited.

http://www.cwo.com/~thowoods/salibims.htm


Peace.

So Arabia was inherited by the Jews? 

[Ayisha]

I had gone through that sometime back and got hold of it after having seen yours and his posts on this topic that it may be of some interest. Because of clear Aayaat of Qur'aan on the subject I do not have any confusion that Misr, also called Egypt was the land from where exodus took place. Perhaps name of Haamaan also finds mention in old Egyption language.

I agree, there are way too many references to places in Torah that are around the Israel-Egypt area, there is no way that the Jews have been fighting for a promised land in the wrong place foreverrrr either. Arabia was never inherited by the Jews but Sinai was fought over very recently. The land of canaan was never Arabia the rivers and places names in Torah were never Arabia. Matches with those who try and convince that Mecca is the centre of the earth 

[Mushu]

Ayisha, what are your thoughts on the lack of archaeological evidence of a slave population called Israelites in ancient Egypt?

[Ayisha]

Ayisha, what are your thoughts on the lack of archaeological evidence of a slave population called Israelites in ancient Egypt?

The first mention of Israel in the Torah is when God changes the name of Jacob to Israel. Israel was a name, not a place, and the descendents of him were the Israelites or the tribes of Israel the man previously known as Jacob.

The family of Jacob came to Egypt willingly, they were not slaves. A new King (pharaoh) came into power and was concerned of the number of the Israelites, as they had multiplied,  and then enslaved them in the form of giving them work. Moses was not a slave. Torah says they built Pithom and Rameses, which would be Pi-rameses. They would not have built the great pyramids as these were earlier. There is evidence of them being there

Hebrew slaves in Egypt

In the traditional chronology, the Egyptian oppression of Hebrew slaves would have occurred in the 18th dynasty. The problem is there is little to no historical evidence of Hebrew slaves in Egypt at this time. However, when placed in the 12th dynasty under a revised chronology, there is substantial evidence for Israelite slave laborers in Egypt.

Dr Rosalie David, in charge of the Egyptian department of the Manchester Museum, writes about Semitic slavery in Kahun during the second half of the 12th dynasty:

   It is apparent that the Asiatics were present in the town in some numbers, and this may have reflected the situation elsewhere in Egypt. It can be stated that these people were loosely classed by Egyptians as ?Asiatics?, although their exact homeland in Syria or Palestine cannot be determined ? The reason for their presence in Egypt remains unclear.15

The Bible makes it quite clear why the Israelite slaves resided in Egypt:

   Now there arose a new king over Egypt who did not know Joseph, and he said to his people, ?Look, the people of the children of Israel are more and mightier than we??Therefore they set taskmasters over them to afflict them with their burdens?And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage? (Exodus 1:8-14).

Dr Rosalie David also writes about the slave presence at Gurob, Egypt:

   The scattered documentation gives no clear answer as to how or why the Asiatics came to Egypt in the Middle Kingdom?There is nevertheless firm literary evidence that Asiatic slaves, women and children were at Gurob.16

Another piece of circumstantial evidence that supports the biblical account is the existence of pyramids built with mud bricks and straw during this dynasty. Amenemhet III, a pharaoh whose statues are sour-faced and cruel-looking in appearance, was likely the Pharaoh who answered the complaining Hebrew supervisors, ?You shall no longer give the people straw to make brick as before Let them go and gather straw for themselves (Exodus 5:7).?

http://creation.com/egyptian-history-and-the-biblical-record-a-perfect-match