Does God know whole of the future of the individual

[Pel]

Ok, If God knows the future then it is fixed. If the furure is fixed then how can we be blamed for doing wrong since it was predestined.

Sometimes I think that God doesn't know the future. If no one new the future of an individual and therefor it hasn't hapened anywere, not even in Gods miond then we have free wil.

So my question is can we have free will and have the future hapened already in Gods knowledge. I think that its very hard for that to be the case!

What does everyone else think?

Thanks

[Someone]

Peace Pel,

The god knows all the possible futures of every individual. And each individual chooses/decides his own future.

I hope this helps.

[Wander]

Hello,

I've also thought about this quite a lot. Perhaps if we consider God to be outside of the univerise in which we exist the one which God resides in may have other natural laws than ours. A universe without any sort of passage of time. So from the outside looking in it may appear that everything has already happened here. Or a different kind of law that we cannot even comprehend. Of course i'm just stabbing in the dark.

[Pel]

Peace Pel,

The god knows all the possible futures of every individual. And each individual chooses/decides his own future.

I hope this helps.

Oooh Someone, I like your answer a lot. I have never heard such an explanation and it never came to my mind.


Thanks a lot

[Halil]

Stuff like this is really interesting and stimulating . I hope more people post their thoughts.

Im not sure God would be subject to any laws of any universe, he must be independant and self sufficient of everything. All that is and is any particular universe must be Gods creation and the laws of it subject to him. The throne of God mentioned in the Quran could maybe be a "master" universe created by God and subject to his rule through which he rules all other universes created. Stabbing i the dark i am uh-ho yes  .
However its hard to imagine time not to exist at all, anything that happens and is does so at a certain time interval. The theoretical physics dudes so far seem to have modeled it as time not being constant and subject to change depending on the relative field of gravity and and relative speed and stuff like that, relative. The Quran does mention God seeing things as happening very fast on earth while we see them happening slow, does imply on some relativity there.
But if God knows our future, well im very sure he does, God is capable of all things. Im sure he knows every possible outcome of the slightest of things and is in full control of its outcome. Im sometimes thinking that he probably knew me before i ever came into being. As i recall having read somewhere in the Quran, "To God belongs all the secrets".

Peace to you all.

[nerspi]

The god knows all the possible futures of every individual. And each individual chooses/decides his own future.

i agree...
God only KNOWS our decisions, He doesn't make them for us...
and since He knows us, how we're raised, our environment and how it affects us, He knows the outcome, knows what path we'll take

[Wander]

Hmm Someone and Nerspi, those are intriguing ideas. So then you could say that the quran does not have a happy relationship with the concept of chance? I suppose that would explain the stance on gambling.

EDIT

An unhappy relationship if you like to gamble anyways haha

[CavemanDoctor]

Hello,

I've also thought about this quite a lot. Perhaps if we consider God to be outside of the univerise in which we exist the one which God resides in may have other natural laws than ours. A universe without any sort of passage of time. So from the outside looking in it may appear that everything has already happened here. Or a different kind of law that we cannot even comprehend. Of course i'm just stabbing in the dark.

Exactly.  Time, as well as space, are concepts limited to this material universe.  God transcends these manifested realms.  Asking if God knows the future puts the cart before the horse.  There is no future.  Just an eternal now, to God.

Time itself is an animal construct.  There is no such thing as absolute time.  It's merely the illusion of a chronology of events as interpreted by a pack of neurons.

More to the point, God's supra-temporal knowledge does not override free will.  Foreknowledge =/= forced action.

[Wakas]

Pel, I knew you'd make a post like that.

That means I forced you to do it, you had no free-choice.

[nerspi]

Hmm Someone and Nerspi, those are intriguing ideas. So then you could say that the quran does not have a happy relationship with the concept of chance? I suppose that would explain the stance on gambling.

EDIT

An unhappy relationship if you like to gamble anyways haha

why you keep mentioning gambling, do you know me, have we met  

umm, yeah there's no chance or luck or coincidences, all paths are already there, we just choose them based on how we developed our souls... and since God knows how we all are even better then we know ourselves, He knows what happens.
technically future is not set, it's kinda vague, it only gets set the moment you make a decision to do something.

as far as gambling, it's not a game of chance (maybe once it was but not today), if it's a game of chance for the player, then it's a game of chance for the casino... which would mean they wouldn't always win... but because casinos ALWAYS win, every single time, you can win or lose but they always win... because of that it's not a chance anymore, it's a strategy, it's a system.
gambling is not really prohibited in the quran, it is however mentioned as a tool of satan, which it is, because it's fixed, only evil mind made it, it's designed to take money from people, plus it addictive, ... so whoever made it didn't get the idea from God in order to help people or do good, it was inspired by satan whose nature is evil and to cause corruption and everything opposite of what God wants... it leads down a bad path, that's why we should avoid it