Quran only mistakes

[you gunna eat that]

Peace Lox,
I've only read your last post and what I've taken out of it is that you have good motivations.  As long as you are truly driven to be Good, I believe you can read whatever damn scripture you please.

[rraza]

agreed. look at the content in quran. if it guides u like it guides me then follow it. if u feel it doesnt then dont. but when u pray and ask God to be guided with a pure heart, be sure u will be guided. u just need to be sure of wat ur heart tells u is the truth. dont let people manipulate you out of wat u believe is true. if i base my knowledge of th eprophet frm hadith, then i wud never think of him as a good man, but fortunately i have an accurate account of his character in the quran.
stick to wat ur instincts are telling you, but pray for guidance, patience and steadfastness. uv made some very good posts onthis forum and u seem like a person trying to honestly search fr the truth. be sure that God will guide u. if u dont feel like depending on any scripture, then dont, just pray to God fr guidance and He will answer u.

peace. i will be praying fr you too.

[you gunna eat that]

agreed. look at the content in quran. if it guides u like it guides me then follow it. if u feel it doesnt then dont. but when u pray and ask God to be guided with a pure heart, be sure u will be guided. u just need to be sure of wat ur heart tells u is the truth. dont let people manipulate you out of wat u believe is true. if i base my knowledge of th eprophet frm hadith, then i wud never think of him as a good man, but fortunately i have an accurate account of his character in the quran.
stick to wat ur instincts are telling you, but pray for guidance, patience and steadfastness. uv made some very good posts onthis forum and u seem like a person trying to honestly search fr the truth. be sure that God will guide u. if u dont feel like depending on any scripture, then dont, just pray to God fr guidance and He will answer u.

peace. i will be praying fr you too.

Good advice for everybody...

[you gunna eat that]

Some more first century Quran inscriptions with the first one being 29 AH in this one.  Its in Cyprus too so imagine how long it took the Arabs to take the Quran inscription there.

Stunningly enough, its the surah that most Muslims read during salat and it's on a grave.

Surah 112
Translation: Say: God the one, God the eternal, He did not beget and was not begotten. And there is none like unto Him

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/earlyquran.html

[Noon de Plume]

I believe in all authentic ahadeeth which have no doubt in it at all.

I swear by Allaah that each and every authentic hadeeth which is proven to be the words of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم is evidence, as Allaah Himself says to take witnesses as evidence.

The authentic ahadeeth are narrated by many witnesses with unbroken chain of narrators, and fulfills the criterion of Allaah to investigate and verify any news that comes to us with witnesses [49:6]

Even if you study the history of the compilation of the Quraan, you see that it was also compiled during the caliphate of the third Khaleefah, 'Uthmaan ibn Affaan رضى الله عنه, who had each and every single verse of the Quraan testified to by witnesses.

Besides Qur'an then simply post one authentic hadeeth which is proven and swear by God upon your soul it is true -- no doubt in it.

Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!

Hammam ibn Munabbih supposed death 132 AH/750 CE or 100 years later.

Then you read his hadith especially #60 Children of Israel bathing naked and the stone stealing clothes?

"My clothes, O' Stone! My clothes, O' Stone!

There is no such promise in the Quraan to protect the Quraan.

Rather Allaah says:

إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ

Verily, We have sent down the Reminder, and verily, We shall guard it. [15:9]

Adh-Dhikr (the Reminder) is both the Quraan and the Sunnah, whatever Allaah has sent down to the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم, and Allaah has promised to protect and guard it.

Now question is, if Allaah will only protect the Quraan from corruption, why He didn't mention QURAAN, instead He mentioned the DHIKR?

Qur'an (i.e. The Book, The Reminder) is for people who think, have basic logic to cross-reference, and see clearly...

Sūrat Fuṣṣilat (Explained in Detail)

41:40
Indeed those who distortin Our Verses not hidden from Us;
so, is who is cast in the Fire better or who comes secure Day (of) Resurrection?
Do what you will. Indeed, He of what you do All-Seer.


41:41
Indeed those who disbelieve in The Reminder (bil-dhik'ri) when it comes to them.
And indeed, it (is) surely a Book (lakitābun) mighty.


41:42
Not comes to it the falsehood from before it and not from behind it.
A Revelation from (the) All-Wise, (the) Praiseworthy.

[Maseehullaah]

Besides Qur'an then simply post one authentic hadeeth which is proven and swear by God upon your soul it is true -- no doubt in it.

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

من كذب علي فليتبوأ مقعده من النار

"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"

[Stone]

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

من كذب علي فليتبوأ مقعده من النار

"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"

I just opened my Qur'an accidentally after praying to God Alone to tell me if we should
follow Muhamed on the way traditionals Muslim doo.
I say in myself,I'm not sure what to do.To do everything like Muhamed on the way of tradiotional muslim
who follow the hadith,or just Qur'an.And I open Quran on Sura 49-2,3
. O ye who believe! Lift not up your voices above the voice of the Prophet , nor shout when speaking to him as ye shout one to another , lest your works be rendered vain while ye perceive not
. Lo! they who subdue their voices in the presence of the messenger of Allah , those are they whose hearts Allah hath proven unto righteousness . Theirs will be forgiveness and immense reward .

My way of thinking is these:How can I not lift up voice above voice of the Prophet?He is not here...
Am I right?

[Ayisha]

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

من كذب علي فليتبوأ مقعده من النار

"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"

hadith even has a get out clause.

You are supposed to use reason, you are void of it.

[Magnus]

Sura 49-2,3
. O ye who believe! Lift not up your voices above the voice of the Prophet , nor shout when speaking to him as ye shout one to another , lest your works be rendered vain while ye perceive not
. Lo! they who subdue their voices in the presence of the messenger of Allah , those are they whose hearts Allah hath proven unto righteousness . Theirs will be forgiveness and immense reward .

My way of thinking is these:How can I not lift up voice above voice of the Prophet?He is not here...
Am I right?

[sarcasm] Brother Stone, it is dangerous to think about these things unless you are properly schooled in hadeethology and suspension of disbelief by figures of authority. You may reach conclusions that actually make sense, but they would go against our complicated and arbitrary religious doctrines and they are therefore false[/sarcasm]

For real though, that's a nice anecdote. God guides those who seek His truth humbly and honestly.

[Wakas]

The Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم said:

من كذب علي فليتبوأ مقعده من النار

"Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his seat in the fire"

What is interesting about this statement is how Hadith followers dont even follow their own criteria.

For example, it is a proven fact that traditional reports about various hadith narrators are filled with negativity*, AND if they imply hadith X is correct, then if there is another hadith that is not considered sahih BUT has the same isnad, then there is a critical error to resolve.

Of course, this problem is for hadith followers.


*http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/Rethinking_Tradition_Modern_Islamic_Thought.htm
There is documented evidence that the companions disagreed with each other and criticsed each other, for example Aisha and Ibn Abbas were reported to have criticised Abu Hurayra. A number of companions demanded evidence for the truth of reports passed onto them. Umar alledgedly questioned a report from Fatima bint Qays. Umar is also reported to have confined three companions to Medina to keep them from spreading traditions.