Quran only mistakes

[Rana]

i do find this thread topic amusing. new argument posted 

Haha yes I can relate to being fresh and therefore not being sick of it. Plus this is highly amusing. Especially now - thanks afridi220, Leyna and others.

@ Leyna -     Well, it HAS to be the truth as it was "found in the two Saheehs of al-Bukhaari and Muslim"    

[Ayisha]

I?m surprised by your ignorance

The messenger is alive in his grave he can see and hear also.

http://www.beautifulislam.net/prophethood/alive_in_grave.htm

So he was buried alive? I can assure you after over 1300 years he is dead, he cannot hear your prayers nor see you, check Quran.

[afridi220]

So he was buried alive? I can assure you after over 1300 years he is dead, he cannot hear your prayers nor see you, check Quran.

No need to check Quran when we have hadiths

[Ayisha]

No need to check Quran when we have hadiths

[loxbox13]

Dof meat is halal for someone from philippines or cat meat is halal from someone from china and spider meat is halal for someone from amazons,  to me it's gross to eat gost meat and specially camel meat,  as for camel meat, i feel it's haram even though i know according to the quran, it's halal, it's not been prohibited

[Maseehullaah]

ah , so u believe that usman took care of the preservation of the Word of God and not God himself? interesting. now i see why u think the way u do.
btw, i see that u think there are a couple of hadith that u dont believe..thts intersting...though why would u advocate a book that even u dont believe in entirely, and consider to possibly be erroneous in some areas?

What I'm saying is that Allaah preserved His Word through the effort of men. Did Allaah drop the Quraan with all its Surahs and Ayats arranged in the right order? did it come down from the clouds as a book between two covers?

Or was it revealed upon the tongue of the Messenger صلى الله عليه وسلم? Was it not compiled during the caliphate of 'Uthmaan رضى الله عنه, some two or three decades after the passing away of the Prophet?

So the exact same objection you raise against the Hadeeth can also be made about the Quraan. There is a saying, "Don't throw stones at someone's house if your own house is made of glass"

The earliest complete manuscripts we have of the Quraan are in fact found to be compiled at least a century after the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم passed away:

John Gilchrist states: "The oldest manuscripts of the Quran still in existence date from not earlier than about one hundred years after Muhammad's death." [Gilchrist, "Jam' Al-Qur'an", p. 153]

Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!

[Maseehullaah]

In a prophecy to the Virgin Mary before the birth of Jesus the Messiah (peace be upon him), Allaah announces:

وَيُعَلِّمُهُ الْكِتَابَ وَالْحِكْمَةَ وَالتَّوْرَاةَ وَالإِنجِيلَ


And He (Allaah) will teach him (Jesus) the Book, and the Wisdom, and the Torah, and the Gospel [3:48]

If, as the "Quraan-only" group claims, that Al-Hikmah (the Wisdom) is the same thing as the Quraan, why has Allaah enumerated four different things which He will give knowledge of to Jesus?

It is obvious that the Torah and the Gospel are not the same, they are two different revelations that Allaah gave knowledge of to Jesus.

In addition, Allaah says He will also give knowledge of the Book, meaning the Quraan, and the Wisdom, meaning the Sunnah, to Jesus.

Since Torah and Gospel are different things, therefore it is proven that all these four things which Allaah has mentioned (Al-Kitaab, Al-Hikmah, At-Tawrah, and Al-Injeel) are separate and distinct revelations. They are not the same thing or four different titles of the same  book!

The Gospel and the Torah are different revelations, therefore, the Kitaab and the Hikmah are also different revelations.

Coincidentally, this verse is also a proof that Jesus is still alive and will descend at his second coming, with correct knowledge of the Kitaab (Quraan), and the Hikmah (Sunnah).

[rraza]

see now YOU are reducing Gods word to mans word. according to ur hadith it says that Usman compiled it, but see i believe that the prophet wud never hv been so casual about his job that he wudnt hv compiled the quran in its entirety in his lifetime. so where is that quran? maybe its been sidelined so that people after th eprophet could get all the praise for "saving" islam by preserving the Quran. God is enough to preserve His word. He does not need man. i believe the quran when it says that God will protect His message.no man.maybe thts not enough fr you.

What I'm saying is that Allaah preserved His Word through the effort of men. Did Allaah drop the Quraan with all its Surahs and Ayats arranged in the right order? did it come down from the clouds as a book between two covers?

Allah preserved HIs word through Him. he just gave messengers the honor of compilation.NOT muslim NOT shaafi NOT paul NOT mark, lucas, john etc.

So the exact same objection you raise against the Hadeeth can also be made about the Quraan. There is a saying, "Don't throw stones at someone's house if your own house is made of glas

no. thats ur tradition advocating the compilation of quran to be later than prophet muhammad. the Quran we believe in is protected by God, not so called imams.

John Gilchrist states: "The oldest manuscripts of the Quran still in existence date from not earlier than about one hundred years after Muhammad's death." [Gilchrist, "Jam' Al-Qur'an", p. 153]

Even the first hadith compilation we have, the Saheefah of Hammaam ibn Munnabih is dated to earlier than that, the mid-first century of the Islaamic calendar. It contains 138 narrations or Hadiths, 98 of which can be found in Sahih al Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!

i think ur thinking epitomises the idea that these "scholars" had: make ppl believe WE are the ones who preserved the quran and safeguarded it so that no one can raise a finger at the book of sayings weve introduced. associate our work to the Book that muslims revere as Gods work and then our words would have everlasting effects.
well done, uv fallen in their trap.

[Maseehullaah]

i think ur thinking epitomises the idea that these "scholars" had: make ppl believe WE are the ones who preserved the quran and safeguarded it so that no one can raise a finger at the book of sayings weve introduced. associate our work to the Book that muslims revere as Gods work and then our words would have everlasting effects.
well done, uv fallen in their trap.

Why don't you try to refute the undisputed evidence, instead of making more emotional arguments which simply unveil total ignorance, wishful thinking, and utter falsehood?

Even western historians have admitted this fact that Quraan was compiled during the caliphate of Uthmaan رضى الله عنه

The earliest complete Quraan manuscripts are dated to not earlier than 100 years after the death of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم

You have no choice but to accept this fact. I gave the evidence and quoted even the Western historians and scholars. My challenge to you is simple, show me a single manuscript of the Quraan (does not even have to be a complete manuscript, it can even be a fragment or portion of the text) which can be dated to the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم

If you cannot bring even a shred of evidence, then I suggest you stop repeating the same lie over and over again that the first hadith compilations were written "200 years after the Prophet's death" by Bukhari and Muslim.

I already proved this fact also that the earliest hadith compilation was written in the mid first century of the Islamic calendar, referring to the compilation of Hammaam ibn Munabbih, containing 138 narrations total, 98 of which are testified to in Bukhari and Muslim's compilations.

[Ayisha]

Why don't you try to refute the undisputed evidence, instead of making more emotional arguments which simply unveil total ignorance, wishful thinking, and utter falsehood?

Even western historians have admitted this fact that Quraan was compiled during the caliphate of Uthmaan رضى الله عنه

The earliest complete Quraan manuscripts are dated to not earlier than 100 years after the death of the Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم

You have no choice but to accept this fact. I gave the evidence and quoted even the Western historians and scholars. My challenge to you is simple, show me a single manuscript of the Quraan (does not even have to be a complete manuscript, it can even be a fragment or portion of the text) which can be dated to the lifetime of Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم

If you cannot bring even a shred of evidence, then I suggest you stop repeating the same lie over and over again that the first hadith compilations were written "200 years after the Prophet's death" by Bukhari and Muslim.

I already proved this fact also that the earliest hadith compilation was written in the mid first century of the Islamic calendar, referring to the compilation of Hammaam ibn Munabbih, containing 138 narrations total, 98 of which are testified to in Bukhari and Muslim's compilations.

it is late here but your dates seem a little confused.  Uthman died around 23 years after the prophet so where does 100 years come into it?

There may have been hadith 138 narrations within the first 100 years of the prophets death but only 98 used by Bukhari, who was born 200 years after the prophets death, but then where did he find the other 599862 that he aparently sifted through to come up with less than 1% considered 'sound'?

supposed 'evidence' from western historians and scholars means zilch here buddy. The prophet recited a profound message for those of understanding, immediately after the prophet died there were at least 12 sects all with new ideas, they obviously actually had very little understanding of the whole thing.  Inventions of 'Muhammed said, Muhammed did' started immediately after his death, and very few of them were fact.