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God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« on: September 02, 2010, 05:15:33 PM »
God did not create the universe, says Hawking

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100902/lf_nm_life/us_britain_hawking


AFP/File ? God no longer has any place in theories on the creation of the Universe due to a series of developments ?
Slideshow:Physicist Stephen Hawking
By Michael Holden ? Thu Sep 2, 9:08 am ET
LONDON (Reuters) ? God did not create the universe and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics, the eminent British theoretical physicist Stephen Hawking argues in a new book.
In "The Grand Design," co-authored with U.S. physicist Leonard Mlodinow, Hawking says a new series of theories made a creator of the universe redundant, according to the Times newspaper which published extracts on Thursday.
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.
"It is not necessary to invoke God to light the blue touch paper and set the universe going."
Hawking, 68, who won global recognition with his 1988 book "A Brief History of Time," an account of the origins of the universe, is renowned for his work on black holes, cosmology and quantum gravity.
Since 1974, the scientist has worked on marrying the two cornerstones of modern physics -- Albert Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, which concerns gravity and large-scale phenomena, and quantum theory, which covers subatomic particles.
His latest comments suggest he has broken away from previous views he has expressed on religion. Previously, he wrote that the laws of physics meant it was simply not necessary to believe that God had intervened in the Big Bang.
He wrote in A Brief History ... "If we discover a complete theory, it would be the ultimate triumph of human reason -- for then we should know the mind of God."
In his latest book, he said the 1992 discovery of a planet orbiting another star other than the Sun helped deconstruct the view of the father of physics Isaac Newton that the universe could not have arisen out of chaos but was created by God.
"That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.
Hawking, who is only able to speak through a computer-generated voice synthesizer, has a neuro muscular dystrophy that has progressed over the years and left him almost completely paralyzed.
He began suffering the disease in his early 20s but went on to establish himself as one of the world's leading scientific authorities, and has also made guest appearances in "Star Trek" and the cartoons "Futurama" and "The Simpsons."
Last year he announced he was stepping down as Cambridge University's Lucasian Professor of Mathematics, a position once held by Newton and one he had held since 1979.
"The Grand Design" is due to go on sale next week.

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A declaration based upon a voyage of his imagination and fantasy about what exactly is time, gravity, etc., along with a desire to stay in the spotlight which seems to be a theme amongst most the so called intellectuals, no different than rock stars seeking attention: "look at me, everybody look at me; OK enough about me, now tell me what you all think -- about me!"

Reminds a bit of godless communists who state there is no god because we went to the moon and didn't see anything up there. Well you haven't looked far or deep enough into the universe and it's creation!

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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #1 on: September 02, 2010, 05:27:47 PM »
Peace,

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"That makes the coincidences of our planetary conditions -- the single Sun, the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass, far less remarkable, and far less compelling evidence that the Earth was carefully designed just to please us human beings," he writes.

Less compelling that it was designed to please us humans? Yes (who argued that anyway??)
Less compelling that it was designed by a higher intelligence? No

I respect Hawking but this is surprisingly fallacious.

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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #2 on: September 02, 2010, 06:25:32 PM »
"Because there is a law such as gravity, the universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes.

That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting: "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".

Emptiness can't create anything.

If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
There would still be nothing.
"Nothing" cannot produce "something".

(quote from http://www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)

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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2010, 03:49:17 AM »
Obviously not quite bright enough to figure that the Law of Physics is a creation of God and not of theoretical physicists. 
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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2010, 03:59:10 AM »
what's funny is the angsty atheist teens or hardcore atheist teen eat this up like its a chocoloate cake

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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2010, 04:02:27 AM »
what's funny is the angsty atheist teens or hardcore atheist teen eat this up like its a chocoloate cake
Adults too, because its 'physics' its 'mathematical facts' but they dont go as far as to think who made those mathematical facts in the first place and just think 'it is' without thinking who is was that said 'Be' for it to be as 'it is'.
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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2010, 04:10:47 AM »

Reminds a bit of godless communists who state there is no god because we went to the moon and didn't see anything up there. Well you haven't looked far or deep enough into the universe and it's creation!

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Exactly!
This is why I'm trying to run away from communists and communism as far as humanly possible.
And as fast too.

Boy, are these guys gonna be surprised at one point .....
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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2010, 05:13:43 AM »
what's funny is the angsty atheist teens or hardcore atheist teen eat this up like its a chocoloate cake

I got sent this link by my angsty atheist teen friend with just a "More proof that your God doesn't exist!" in the subject box.  ::)

That parapgraph makes no sense to me, even self-contradicting: "Because there is a law such as gravity" ...... "the universe can and will create itself from nothing" - BUT "NOTHING" MEANS "THERE IS NOT".

Emptiness can't create anything.

If there were ever a time when there was nothing,
There would still be nothing.
"Nothing" cannot produce "something".

(quote from http://www.jovialatheist.com/thomslaw.html)

Peace.

This is pretty much what I told him. I have yet to receive a response.  ;D
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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2010, 03:43:51 PM »
Obviously not quite bright enough to figure that the Law of Physics is a creation of God and not of theoretical physicists. 

 :bravo:

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Re: God did not create the universe, says Hawking
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2010, 03:48:59 PM »
I got sent this link by my angsty atheist teen friend with just a "More proof that your God doesn't exist!" in the subject box.  ::)

May God guide her/him. AFAIK, God would guide those who sincerely search the truth rather than ego/arrogant defenders of some idea.  :bravo: