I want to lose some weight

[muslims]

For Gods sake people!
Use your minds, you are misunderstanding Islam again

Pharaoh had some very dirty tactics to get what he wanted, or keep people from turning against him. One of these tricks was to corrupt the natural criteria for rational thought.

A person?s rational criteria (method of judgment) is the very basis upon which he knows truth from falsehood. And the rational criteria for truth is that the subject at hand must fully conform to reality (i.e. must be proven through the sensed reality via our five senses).

Now, when we look at verses from the Qur?an, we can see the followers of Pharaoh attempt to change the criteria of rational thinking to that of irrational thinking:

فَلَمَّا جَاءَهُمْ مُوسَى بِآيَاتِنَا بَيِّنَاتٍ قَالُوا مَا هَذَا إِلاّ سِحْرٌ مُفْتَرًى وَمَا سَمِعْنَا بِهَذَا فِي آبَائِنَا الْأَوَّلِينَ

?So when Moses (pbuh) came to them with our clear signs, they said ?this is nothing but fake magic, and we did not hear of this from our forefathers? ? [Al-Qasas:36].


What do their forefathers sayings have to do with Moses (pbuh) being a Prophet? What kind of rational thought is this? According to this logic, this would mean: whatever does not come via their forefathers is not truth. This is despite that reality and truth are not proven through forefathers, or parents, or an imam, or some organization, rather it is proven by the sensed reality and rational proof.

[Yamibato]

But don't you agree that we better to recover without taking chemical medicine/s?

I try to avoid chemical medicines, and it seems my body feels much better after that, and it seems now I'm not easy getting sick, inshaAllah.


Peace.

Agree, however ONLY when it is known that you will recover without the need of medicines.

Just for the sake of making it more clear, I never said Faith causes recovery, the initiative factor is a cause... however those who are psychologically positive about their disease, they will recover faster. (Not to mention this is not true in every disease). And psychologically happy doesn't imply faith alone. It could be anything that makes the person optimistic and happy.

You trying to avoid chemical medicine is something really good, I do it to. Every doctors in their clinic, they try their best to not give any drugs for treatment... but the issue is, patients come to doctors when the diseases has set foot on a chronic stage, and has complications now, there a drug is a must or further complications will result.

Peace,
Yami.

[Yamibato]

Pardon me,

but looks like that statement (in bold) kind of remind me with the advice used to say by those who love to follow ulemas/scholars/religious preachers.

Brother, perhaps some brothers/sisters here already understand Qur'an 26:79-80.

We cannot state that they don't understand those verses.


Peace.

I don't care what it looks like or it sounds like..
I know everyone understand the language of the Qur'an.. its not that hard, in fact it is very easy.

And yes sometimes we can with very much confidence say that they haven't understood what the verse means, but not what the verse says, there is a difference.

We all know that Abraham said "If I get sick, God heals me". it is a sentence, we all know what it says... it says "God heals me when I get sick".

Ok lets understand it. (Which is different that knowing what the words mean, I want to know HOW does it occur)
so the first Question that follows is How !? How does God cure ? is it through faith like my friends on this forum say and other support them ? Is it though praying, or eating good food and a balanced nutrition ? is it through reading the Qur'an ? is it is it ...etc


If it is "through faith" like those brothers/sisters are saying, then I'm against it, so is Science, and so is Qur'an.
So yes they are wrong if they get it like this.

Personally, I would like to say honestly with humility that I have not reached the level of understanding to know the very real understanding of "How God heals". so far the only logical understanding  which is closest to rationality is "God heals through causes." That makes sense, faith-healing doesn't.

For hypoalbuminemia, there is meat.
for Scurvy, there is citrus fruit.
for osteoporosis, there is milk.
If you can't get a good amount of each, there are tablets.
For pain, you have sedatives.
For a Myocardial infarction, you nave nitroglyceril...etc

If you take these things (or Causes), you will get healed even if you don't believe in God.

Peace,
Yami.

[Bender]

Peace Bender.

Interesting question!

One could say GOD is the provider directly and indirectly.

For example you are hungry and have money to buy food, then GOD has provided the money, hence the food.

Or you could be hungry and have no money to buy food,a friend/family will give you something to eat, then GOD has provided also.

I would say it depends on your devotion and loyalty to GOD. To others who do not rely on GOD ,this seems strange, they believe themselves or others are the providers?

Here is an example of total devotion and reliance on GOD Alone:
3:37
Her Lord accepted her a gracious acceptance, and brought her up a gracious upbringing, under the guardianship of Zachariah. Whenever Zachariah entered her sanctuary he found provisions with her. He would ask, "Mary, where did you get this from?" She would say, "It is from God. God provides for whomever He chooses, without limits."
فَتَقَبَّلَها رَبُّها بِقَبولٍ حَسَنٍ وَأَنبَتَها نَباتًا حَسَنًا وَكَفَّلَها زَكَرِيّا كُلَّما دَخَلَ عَلَيها زَكَرِيَّا المِحرابَ وَجَدَ عِندَها رِزقًا قالَ يٰمَريَمُ أَنّىٰ لَكِ هٰذا قالَت هُوَ مِن عِندِ اللَّهِ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يَرزُقُ مَن يَشاءُ بِغَيرِ حِسابٍ

GOD bless you.
Peace.

Salaam brother,

The answer given by brother Good Logic is exactly the same that I wanted to give you on this.
Thank you very much brother Good Logic, may Allah give you the best of His rewards


May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path
mmKhan

Salaam,


Sure Allah provides directly or indirectly.
But who decided that cure is only in direct form and food not?

salaam,
Bender

[Existential1]

For hypoalbuminemia, there is meat.
for Scurvy, there is citrus fruit.
for osteoporosis, there is milk.
If you can't get a good amount of each, there are tablets.
For pain, you have sedatives.
For a Myocardial infarction, you nave nitroglyceril...etc

If you take these things (or Causes), you will get healed even if you don't believe in God.

The way I see it, no matter which way you choose (medicine or not), it's still through God that you were healed.  If you abstain from medicine, you rely on the nutrition and strength of the body He gave you.  If you take medicine, you really on the chemicals He created or gave man the ability to create, which still means you were healed through Him. 

No matter how you slice it, you rely on Him for healing.

[Yamibato]

The way I see it, no matter which way you choose (medicine or not), it's still through God that you were healed.  If you abstain from medicine, you rely on the nutrition and strength of the body He gave you.  If you take medicine, you really on the chemicals He created or gave man the ability to create, which still means you were healed through Him. 

No matter how you slice it, you rely on Him for healing.

I like the way you have understood this a lot.. I personally have understood it this way, makes sense.
The ultimate cause is always God... whether direct (which could be extremely rare, or not even possible - God knows best) or indirect through the things that you mentioned.

But there are more things in the Qur'an to support the indirect method than the direct.
The verse of Abarham stating "If I get sick, God heals me" Is in terms of an ultimate cause.

What about the Verses which indicate indirect cure by causes ?

1) Earth with its contents and has been suited to our life and service (that includes everything in it)
2) Quran mentiones several fruites and vegetable's and selective nutritions (what for?)
3) Qur'an tells us that we should explore our bodies and understand its signs
4) Qur'an tells us everything has a purpose, whatever God created has a purpose.. (what is the purpose of all those plants and creatures and microorganisms, viruses and parasites?)
5) Qur'an tells us to work through evidence (no one can absolutely provide a subtantial evidence for God's direct healing, yet all of us simply can see the indirect one, Medicine is called in the medical textbooks as (Evidence-based Medicine, i.e things which have evidence for their alleged indication)

Be logical about it, be realistic...
Just go to an emergency department and come back and review the posts of these people who are anti-medicine.

Simple.

Peace,
Yami.

[Man of Faith]

Peace,

In ways it is still God who heals even if you go to a doctor and get medicine. And would God not wish for you to get well then no medicine can help you against that.

God bless you

[muslims]

So she was pregnant with him, and she went to deliver in a far place.
Then the birth pains came to her, by the trunk of a palm tree.
She said: ?I wish I had died before this, and became totally forgotten!?
But then he called to her from beneath her:
?Do not be sad, your Lord has made below you a stream.?
And shake (وَهُزِّي) the trunk of this palm tree, it will cause ripe dates to fall upon you.
19.22-25

[Ikrame]

Drink alot of water 70procent of your brain exists from water.  A person can go 3 weeks without food but only 3 days without water. I get thirsty thinking about it.  can't go wrong there 

[Jane]

The way I see it, no matter which way you choose (medicine or not), it's still through God that you were healed.  If you abstain from medicine, you rely on the nutrition and strength of the body He gave you.  If you take medicine, you really on the chemicals He created or gave man the ability to create, which still means you were healed through Him. 

No matter how you slice it, you rely on Him for healing.

EXACTLY. Well articulated, thanks.