Quote from: reel on April 03, 2016, 01:53:36 AM
Ah, no, I do not get inspiration from verses. I apply them all the time. Fazlur Rahman or any other scholar can't do anything for my salvation. I came to this world alone and I will probably leave alone also. If I am having doubt I would ask about the verses from those who have genuine interest in Quran like the people up here.
Without realizing it, you are following imam Shafi'i's claim and official formulation that every single verse in the Qur'an is timeless, universal and must be literally applied in every region of the world and under all cirumstances. Prior to imam Shafi'i, nobody ever claimed such a thing; not even the prophet himself or any of his closest friends. On the contrary, I gave the example of Omar who didn't follow the verse in the Qur'an about booty because if he applied that verse it would have been "injust" in that situation. Someone who had spent years with the prophet and knew him well surely knew what he was doing.
QuoteUmm, no because the situation is related to preislamic trend. That said, I agree with imrankhawaja that slavery still exists...but with just other names.
Slavery continued in the Muslim world and elsewhere in the world, including the West until the 19th century. Unfortunately, it was not Muslims who abolished slavery but westerners. How sad.
QuoteBy the way, Quran does not have any verse on whether Muslims can drink acid. That does not mean it is allowed.
We apply it in the west though....check our American constitution.
Very true, because the Qur'an is not a book of law. The Qur'an also doesn't have a verse on punishing rapists, does that mean that rape is fine, or that God forgot to punish rape? There is also not a punishment for homosexuality - is homosexuality fine, or less of a crime than heterosexual activity? There is also not a single verse on bestiality, does that mean sex with animals is acceptable, or not such a big deal? The truth is, punishments for thieves, adulterers, murderers etc. etc. were never meant as literal, universal and timeless laws to be applied everywhere. Nor is the Qur'an a book of economics, warfare, politics, science, sociology or anything else. The Qur'an doesn't talk about tanks and planes; it talks about camels and horses, but we don't see Muslims waging war with horses and camels anymore. Nobody is applying those verses about horses and camels in the Qur'an literally.
The Qur'an does not have verses on punishing internet crimes and thousands of other issues are never even mentioned. That is why you can only get inspiration from the Qur'an, nothing in the Qur'an was meant to be applied literally and universally in every corner of the world. Besides, the Qur'an is Arabic, Bolivians never had a Qur'an. If Arabs were born in South America they too would have never known about the Qur'an or believed in it. If following the Qur'an literally was so important for God, if it literally meant eternal Heaven or Hellfire, He could and definitely would have sent Qur'ans in all languages to all the peoples of the world, which He hasn't. But this is perhaps not entirely relevant to the issue we were discussing.
QuoteWhen tafseer, hadiths and sectarian scholars are used to read Quran we get that to be Muslim one has to convert into Ibn Hanbal/Shafi.
All Muslims, without knowing, follow the much later formulation of Shafi'i that the Qur'an is, in its enterity, universal, timeless and must be followed to the letter at all times, which nobody ever does or did even in the 7th century during caliph Omar's rule who was one of the prophet's closest companions.
Peace
