How sex before Marriage is not haram (prohibited) according to the Quran

[simple]

I meant if there was a legal contract between them or at least they are known to the public as a couple, then the father can't flee from his responsibilities. You might think this won't happen but it does and single mothers are left to take care of their child on their own with no financial help from the father.

well put 

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=13800.0

Noah tried to help the then poor ladies but now the law of the land, in the west anyway, does help greatly.

 

[RiseUpMyPpl]

Peace all



The purpose of this article is to argue against the widely accepted belief that the Quran prohibits sex before marriage. I intend to do this by using the Quran to justify a case of pre-marital sex where it is acceptable in the light of the Quran.

I have had a similar view for a while now. From my perception, the Quran advises against casual sex but not against premarital sex. One does not share a bond with a one night stand, it is just sex. However, a gf and bf are committed to each other by oath. They have developed a bond and care about each other deeply. Is a gf or bf not whom your right hand possesses?

[Elke]

@ riseup & ninimak
that is also the way i see it
also, this interpretation of "those with which you are bonded through an oath" (imo implying reciprocity)  is more acceptable than the one seeing malakat aymakoum as slave girls...
LK

[san]

Hi, nimnimak!

A very interesting thread, i must say.

If you've made up your mind about this--maybe the only thing left to do is ... practice? Because i can't help but notice so many could be's in this thread. So why not just let it be? Or at least, maybe steal other ppl's experiences for more insights? Maybe friends, relatives who've been there done that. Just maybe...

Also, anyone noticed the youngest age we've known yet of two human beings having sex (by their own will)?  Or youngest mothers to give birth ever?

What i mean is, what is/are the boundary/ies for sex then, if not marriage--age? biology? psychology/emotion? self-control? economy? supply/availability? An oath? Oral or written? And how binding is this oath? One-to-one relationship only, or something more than that? (if there's any limit, where in AQ do we have that re:MMA?)

I'm in for good discussions

[Bigmo]

Looks like John Edwards and wife are split

Edwards Admits Fathering Love Child, Reportedly Separates From Wife

FOXNews.com

Former presidential candidate John Edwards has admitted fathering his former campaign videographer's child.


Former Sen. John Edwards arrives with his wife Elizabeth for the late Sen. Edward Kennedy's memorial service in Boston Aug. 28, 2009. (AP Photo)
Former presidential candidate John Edwards has admitted fathering his former campaign videographer's child.

In a statement released to NBC News, Edwards said, "I am Quinn?s father. ... It was wrong for me ever to deny she was my daughter and hopefully one day, when she understands, she will forgive me."

Friends of the family said that Edwards and wife, Elizabeth, have separated, NBC reported. 

The admission comes after months of denials from Edwards that he fathered former mistress Rielle Hunter's daughter, Frances Quinn.  The revelation also comes a week before his former campaign aide, Andrew Young, is set to appear in an ABC News interview saying he posed as the father when the scandal first broke as a favor to Edwards.

The two-time presidential candidate also admitted to providing financial support to the child and said in the statement that he has "reached an agreement with her mother to continue providing support in the future."

"To all those I have disappointed and hurt these words will never be enough, but I am truly sorry," Edwards said. 

Young's interview is scheduled to air on ABC next Friday, but may be pushed forward.

Previous reports have claimed that a secret DNA test proved Edwards' paternity to the child.

The test was taken after Hunter tried to get financial help from Edwards for Frances.

Edwards admitted in August 2008 to an affair with Hunter that he says ended in 2006. That year, Edwards' political action committee paid Hunter's video production firm $100,000 for work. Then the committee paid another $14,086 on April 1, 2007.

A federal grand jury last year investigated whether Edwards broke campaign finance law by paying "hush" money to Hunter and Young over the affair.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/21/report-john-edwards-set-admit-paternity-love-child/

Thats what happens 

[zubairus]

Peace nimnimak,

Let us look at it like this:
The post basically was meant to prove a point, which is non prohibition of premarital sex by quran and the argument essentially was based on the understanding that MMA [those possessed by your oath/those you have bond with]are among the group we can have sex with yet they are not our spouse/wives.Ref 4:24

But if we understand MMA to mean slaves, the argument for premarital sex is arrested.

Now,an argument against MMA = those possessed by your oath/those you have bond with is that, In  33:50-52, the merciful lord mentioned woman that offered herself to the prophet.This woman offered herself, a bond, yet not label as MMA, still and more importantly,in the same verse the prophet was told not to mary any more except MMA. This to me is proving that MMA is not = those you have a bond with.Note, I am not unaware of the fact that the provision therein was meant for the prophet alone.

Meanwhile, with the understanding that MMA means slaves, the interpretation for 4:24 is this: ..and not allowed are muhsanat[married women] except that they become your slaves, in which case, their status as married becomes null and void.

You have argued that in 2:221, a different label was used for slaves, you see, language is our invention,and the lord spoke to us in that language,In any human language, we have words/labels representing a thing and sometimes,a word/label represent more than a thing.Infact, this is the basis of ambiguity in our languages.
Therefore, the fact that a different label was used for slaves is not enough to conclude that MMA can't be taken to mean slaves.

THINK ABOUT IT.

ZUBAIRUS

[afridi220]

Peace nimnimak,

Let us look at it like this:
The post basically was meant to prove a point, which is non prohibition of premarital sex by quran and the argument essentially was based on the understanding that MMA [those possessed by your oath/those you have bond with]are among the group we can have sex with yet they are not our spouse/wives.Ref 4:24

But if we understand MMA to mean slaves, the argument for premarital sex is arrested.

Now,an argument against MMA = those possessed by your oath/those you have bond with is that, In  33:50-52, the merciful lord mentioned woman that offered herself to the prophet.This woman offered herself, a bond, yet not label as MMA, still and more importantly,in the same verse the prophet was told not to mary any more except MMA. This to me is proving that MMA is not = those you have a bond with.Note, I am not unaware of the fact that the provision therein was meant for the prophet alone.

Meanwhile, with the understanding that MMA means slaves, the interpretation for 4:24 is this: ..and not allowed are muhsanat[married women] except that they become your slaves, in which case, their status as married becomes null and void.

You have argued that in 2:221, a different label was used for slaves, you see, language is our invention,and the lord spoke to us in that language,In any human language, we have words/labels representing a thing and sometimes,a word/label represent more than a thing.Infact, this is the basis of ambiguity in our languages.
Therefore, the fact that a different label was used for slaves is not enough to conclude that MMA can't be taken to mean slaves.

THINK ABOUT IT.

ZUBAIRUS

Great that is what i understand

[Bigmo]

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              Genesis 20:9 "a great sin"
              Genesis 34:7 "which thing ought not to be done"
              2 Samuel 13:12
              Jeremiah 13:27
              Ezekiel 16:3-22
              1 Corinthians 6:18
              2 Corinthians 12:21

II.   What is the difference between fornication and adultery?

       A.   Fornication is the illicit sexual intercourse of unmarried persons.

                    1 Corinthians 6:9, 18

       B.   To commit adultery is to have sexual relations with someone other
              than one's own spouse (husband or wife).

                     Jeremiah 29:23; 5:7-8
                     Proverbs 6:29, 32; etc.

              1.   The scriptures also consider remarriage after divorce to be adultery.

                           Matthew 5:32; 19:9

              2.   Even looking at someone with a lustful heart is adultery.

                           Matthew 5:28

III.   The Bible is not silent on the subject of premarital relations.

        A.   Sexual intercourse is to be confined to marriage.

                     Genesis 34:1-7, 31

        B.   Marriage is God's provision for the release of sexual desire.

                     1 Corinthians 7:2
                     Hebrews 13:4

        C.   Self-control is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23). If a couple
               cannot restrain themselves, Paul said that they should go ahead and
               marry (1 Corinthians 7:9, 36-37).

        D.   Consider the following accounts of fornication in Scripture.

               1.   Schechem and Dinah

                           Genesis chapter 34

               2.   Tamar and Amnon

                            2 Samuel chapter 13

IV.   Fornication and adultery are absolutely forbidden by God.

                 Genesis 20:9
                 Exodus 20:14 (Deuteronomy 5:18; Matthew 5;27; 19:18;
                 Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20; Romans 13:9; James 2:11)
                 Leviticus 18:20
                 Deuteronomy 23:17-18
                 2 Samuel 13:12
                 Matthew 14:34 (Mark 6:17-18)
                 1 Corinthians 6:15; 10:8

      A.   These sins are exceedingly "evil" and "wicked" in God's sight.

                      Genesis 39:9
                      Leviticus 19:29
                      Deuteronomy 22:22-24, etc.
                      1 Samuel 2:22-23
                      1 Corinthians 5:13

       B.   They greatly displease God (Hosea 4:1-2, 11) and provoke Him to
             anger (Numbers 25:1, 3; Ezekiel 16:26; Colossians 3:5-6).

       C.   God abhors them.

                       Proverbs 22:14

       D.   "For this is a heinous crime" (Job 31:1, 9-12), "villainy" (Jeremiah
             29:22-23) and filthiness (Revelation 17:4).

       E.   "They know not the light" but "are in the terrors of the shadow of death"
             (Job 24:15-17). It is "the way of hell;" "the dead are there" (Proverbs 7:27;
             9:13-18).

       F.   The words of anyone who defends such "unfruitful works of darkness"
             (Ephesians 5:3, 11-12) are "contrary to sound doctrine" (1 Timothy 1:9-10).

V.    Adultery and fornication are serious offenses.

        A.   Under the law, such acts were counted worthy of death.

                      Genesis 20:3, 7, 17; 26:11
                      Leviticus 20:10-12
                      2 Samuel 12
                      Proverbs 2:16-19; 7:5-27
                      Romans 1:29, 32

                1.   Burned.

                             Genesis 38:15, 24
                             Leviticus 21:9

                 2.   Stoned.

                             Deuteronomy 22:13-21, cp. John 8:4-5

       B.   In the days of the early church, fornication was considered just cause
             for excommunication from the fellowship of believers.

                   1 Corinthians 5:1-2, 9-12

       C.   Fornication justifies divorce.

                   Deuteronomy 22:13-21
                   Matthew 5:32; 19:9 (Mark 10:12)

        D.  In the Old Testament, fornication and adultery symbolized unfaithfulness to God,
              either by idolatry or backsliding in general.

                   Jeremiah 3:1, 6, 8, 9, 14, etc.
                   Ezekiel 6:9; 16:36, etc.
                   Hosea 1:2;4:11-12; 3:1
                   Acts 15:29

        E.   Such offenses are self-defiling (Leviticus 18:20, 24, 30; 1 Corinthians 6:18-20)
              and can lead to one's own spiritual destruction.

                   Proverbs 2:16, 18-19 "unto death"
                   Proverbs 6:27-29, 32 "destroyeth his own soul"
                   Proverbs 9:13-18 "the dead are there ... in the depths of hell"
                   Genesis 20:3, 7 "thou art but a dead man ... for she is a man's wife"

         F.  Scripture lists fornication and adultery with such sins as murder, witchcraft, robbery, idolatry, etc.

                   Hosea 4:2
                   Romans 2:21
                   Acts 15:29; 21:25
                   1 Corinthians 6:9-10
                   Revelation 9:21

        G.   The offense shall be met with severe judgment.

                   Proverbs 6:27-29, 32
                   Ezekiel 16:38, 40-41
                   Malachi 3:5
                   Hebrews 13:4

            1.   Fornicators and adulterers shall not be allowed in the kingdom of God.

                        1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 18
                        Galatians 5:19, 21
                        Ephesians 5:5-6
                        Revelation 22:15

            2.   They shall be tormented eternally in the lake of fire.

                        Jude 7
                        Revelation 21:8

VI.   Why is this considered such a serious offense?

        A.   "Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth
               fornication sinneth against his own body."

                   1 Corinthians 6:15-20, esp. verse 18

        B.   God desires a walk of consecration and holiness within His people.

                   Leviticus 21:7, 13-14
                   2 Corinthians 6:1
                   1 Thessalonians 4:3
                   Titus 2:11-12

        C.   Our bodies are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

                   1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 6:13-20

        D.   The sin is self-defiling.

                   Ezekiel 23
                   Matthew 15:19-20
                   Mark 7:20-23
                   1 Corinthians 6:15-20

        E.   It influences others by bad example.

                   2 Samuel 12:14
                   Nahum 3:4
                   Romans 1:32
                   Revelation 2:14, 20

        F.  An attitude of sexual permissiveness pollutes the entire nation.

                   Leviticus 18:24-28; 19:29
                   Jeremiah 3:2, 9
                   Nahum 3:4
                   Revelation 19:2

VII.   Fornication and adultery should especially have no place among the people of God.

                   2 Samuel 13:12
                   Romans 2:21-22
                   1 Corinthians 5:1-5, 9-13
                   Ephesians 4:17-20
                   Hebrews 12:16

        A.  Such a way of life was expected of us before we were saved.

                   Ephesians 2:2-3
                   Colossians 3:7, 5-6
                   Titus 3:3-5

             1.  In describing the extent of moral corruption among unbelievers, the
                  Bible says, "the land is full of adulterers." "...they committed adultery,
                  and assembled themselves by troops in the harlot's houses."

                        Jeremiah 23:10; 5:7

              2. The world has hardened their hearts to the extent that they actually
                  feel no guilt or shame for such wrongdoing.

                        Proverbs 30:18-20 "She saith, I have done no wickedness."

        B.  Christians are commanded to "flee," "avoid," and "abstain from fornication."

                   Acts 15:20, 29
                   1 Corinthians 6:18 (cp. Genesis 39:12); 7:2
                   1 Thessalonians 4:3
                   2 Timothy 2:22

            1.  "Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed,
                  and fell in one day three and twenty thousand."

                       1 Corinthians 10:8

             2.  "But fornication, and all uncleanness ... let it not be once named among
                  you, as becometh saints ... For ye know that no whoremonger, nor
                  unclean person ... hath any inheritance in the kingdom..."

                        Ephesians 5:3, 5

             3.  "For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should
                  abstain from fornication: that every one of you should know how to
                  possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of
                  concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God ... For
                  God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness."

                        1 Thessalonians 4:3-7

        C.  When a person gives his life to Jesus, he is expected to put aside the
               evil practices of his former way of life.

                   2 Corinthians 12:21
                   Ephesians 4:17-20

        D.  We are forbidden even to fellowship with those who do such acts.

                   1 Corinthians 5:1-5, 9-13
                   Ephesians 3:11-12; 5:11

VIII.  Scripture describes fornication and adultery as "a deep ditch" and
          "narrow pit" (Proverbs 22:14; 23:27-28), because the lustful intentions
          behind them are deadly (Proverbs 7:26; James 1:15) and deceitful
          (2 Samuel 13:3-5, etc.; Proverbs 5:3-4; 7:10).

         A.  They are works of the flesh.

                   Galatians 5:19-21

              1.  They originate in the heart.

                        Matthew 5:28; 15:19
                        Mark 7:21; 10:11
                        Luke 16:18

              2.  They spring from an evil lust.

                        1 Corinthians 10:6
                        1 Thessalonians 4:3-5, 7

              3.  Because lust is especially aroused by the sight of the eyes (Matthew
                   5:28), the Word of God specifically exhorts Christians to "adorn
                   themselves in modest apparel" (1 Timothy 2:8-9; cp. 1 Peter 3:3;
                   Isaiah 3:16-24).

                        Genesis 34:2 "saw"
                        Genesis 38:1-24 "saw"
                        Genesis 39:7-12 "cast her eyes upon Joseph; and she said,
                         'Lie with me'"
                        Judges 16:1 "saw"
                        2 Samuel 11:1-5 "he saw a woman washing herself, and the
                        woman was very beautiful to look upon"

        B.  There is a great difference between love and lust.

              1.  "Love is of God" (1 John 4:7) and gives (John 3:16; 1 Corinthians
                   13:5). Lust is evil and seeks its own satisfaction (2 Samuel 13:12, 14).

              2.  While love is a fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-23), fornication and
                   adultery are works of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21).

              3.  Love can wait; lust cannot.

                        2 Samuel 13:13-14

        C.  The result of yielding to fleshly lusts is corruption.

                   1 Corinthians 3:16-17; 10:8
                   Galatians 6:8
                   James 1:15

              1.  Murder.

                        2 Samuel 11:1-5

              2.  Rape.

                        2 Samuel 13:1-20

        D.  God can provide victory over lustful temptations (Romans 6:11-14;
              Galatians 5:16, 24-25; 2 Peter 2:9-10, 14), but it takes an act of our will.

              1. "Cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light."

                        Romans 13:12

              2.  "Mortify therefore ..."

                        Colossians 3:5

              3.  "Flee youthful lusts."

                        1 Corinthians 6:18
                        2 Timothy 2:22

              4.  "Put off ... the old man ... put on the new ..."

                        Ephesians 4:22-24

IX.   Fornication and adultery are not unforgivable sins, if repented.

                   Matthew 21:31-32
                   Titus 3:3-5
                   Revelation 2:21

        A.  Some examples in scripture (in which God forgave the offense):

              1.  Rahab the harlot.

                        Joshua 2:1; 6:17, cp. Hebrews 11:31 and James 2:25

              2.  King David.

                        2 Samuel 12:13, cp. 11:4

              3.  The prodigal son.

                        Luke 15:30, 32

              4.  The woman in the temple.

                        John 8:3-11

              5.  Early church believers.

                        1 Corinthians 6:9-11 "such were (past tense) some of you: but ye are washed..."

        B.  However, we sometimes must face punishing consequences in this life
              (according to the law of sowing and reaping).

                   2 Samuel 12:11-14

        C.  Many will never repent of the offense and for them there can be no forgiveness.

                   2 Corinthians 12:21
                   Revelation 9:21

              1.  "Being past feeling," and having a "seared conscience," they gave
                  "them selves over unto lasciviousness (Lit., sensuality; erotic lust)."

                        Ephesians 4:19

              2.  Therefore, "God gave them up" (they became reprobate).

                        Romans 1:28-29, 32

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[RA786]

I read something Interesting on the subject.....

Spiritual Effects of Sexual Promiscuity

Dear Julia:

Spiritually/astrally/energetically, what energetic bonds are set up when an individual has sex with another person or persons? Are people who have multiple partners (like prostitutes or sexually promiscuous people) linked eternally to the people they have sex with? I've been watching an HBO series about a brothel in Nevada. One of the young women declares that she is a whore; she says she is proud of selling her body and enjoys it. I also wonder about actors in the porn industry, for I look at them and see a "hardness" etched around them. I can't describe it, but there is something different about their auras. What happens on a spiritual level during a sex act of a purely carnal nature? Thanks for you insights into this question.

- Alexis



Dear Alexis:

First we must remember that everything that happens on a physical level has non-physical counterparts. What we think and feel affects our bodies, what we do affects our auras, etc.

Further, the energy that flows through us when we have sex is the same energy that fuels all creation. Whether you call it chi, prana, kundalini, life force energy, etc., it's all the same thing. When we don't channel our chi in positive, creative ways, it will build up towards release. Orgasm is the sudden release of a great deal of creative/life force energy.

The life force energy that flows through us during lovemaking not only propels us into all sorts of important life experiences via relationships, it is powerful enough to create new life! This same energy can carry us into blissful states of consciousness during spiritual practices such as meditation. As it is powerful stuff, it is very important that we use it wisely.

This doesn't mean we should become ascetics. If we don't use our life force energy enough, we end up depressed, sluggish, bored, listless, and physically ill. If we use it too much, we end up exhausted, burned out, stressed, anxious and physically ill. As with everything, balance is wise. Good health, personal power and happiness all depend on a healthy balance of chi. When used consciously, this force is the source of all art, innovation, growth, creation, progress, life, etc.

Every interaction between people involves an exchange of energy. When that interaction involves profound feelings of love and desire (or bodily fluids!) the exchange is intense. Just kissing and heavy petting create energy links between the parties involved that penetrate their auras. These links are temporary, however, and will fade away in a few days, weeks or months, depending on how much mental and emotional energy is fed to the connection after the sweethearts physically part.

Sexual intercourse creates a much stronger energetic bond on the astral plane that will often last for many years. The more emotionally and mentally involved the lovers are, the stronger the link. It is this energetic connection that causes emotional pain upon separation from a lover, for it's like a living part of them is starving to be fed.

The more intense a relationship is, the stronger the bond is. The more times we have sex with a certain individual, the stronger our energetic bond will be to them. That's why it's so much more painful to leave someone we're in love with than someone we don't really care about, and why even leaving a "dead marriage" can be so darn hard - those energetic bonds are very strong due to many years of sustenance.

Now to explore the effects of promiscuity, let's get past all the confusing moral lessons we've been taught by working with an ecological metaphor.

We know that if we're careless ecologically, the Earth is affected in undesirable ways. Being careless about whom we sleep with is like being careless with our natural resources. If we use them up before they've been replenished, we end up depleted. If we fail to treat our bodies as our sacred homes, they end up deforested, polluted, scarred and littered with garbage. When it comes to sex, the key to maintaining one's vitality and beauty both physically and aurically is thus to treat our bodies and sexual experiences as sacred.

This doesn't mean we should only have sex within legal marriage or anything like that. In fact, in some ways the determined "security" of marriage often makes it very challenging to keep sex a conscious spiritual act.

On the other hand, marriage (or a similar committed relationship) is like a container for our valuable energy. If we just pour our energy out on the ground, it is quickly gone - wasted. If we pour it into a container, then we still have it, and if our partner pours his/her energy into the container, then together we have twice as much as we did alone. Every time one of us takes our energy and pours it elsewhere, it means less for both of us. Every time we pour more of our energy into the container, together we have more.

Everything that happens on a physical sexual level has correspondences at a metaphysical level, so every time we have sex with someone, we know we're mingling with their physical germs, but we're also mingling with their emotional, mental and spiritual "germs," PLUS the energetic issues of the people they're connected to.

Since the sexual revolution, the energetic webs between people have multiplied unlike anything ever seen before on planet Earth. Every time we sleep with someone new, we are linking with everyone they've ever slept with both physically AND energetically. From the astral, this is seen as a vast web of intricate energetic interconnections.

Further, it's not necessary to have physical sex to experience a strong energetic bond with someone. The deeper you feel about someone, the deeper your bond to them - even if your feelings are hateful instead of loving. If you feel a very deep, strong connection to someone and fantasize about them often but never sleep with them, you may have a stronger auric link to them than a prostitute would have to her client.

Though culturally we've twisted sex around to the point where common attitudes are a universe away from spiritual truths, beneath some of our moral 'values' there is some real wisdom. For example, virgins (both male and female) appear aurically "pure" and beautiful because they are free of energetic cords. They aren't caught up in that vast web described above.

They are also guarded by an energetic, hymen-like shield that protects them from psychic intrusion. While I certainly don't appreciate the way we've smeared this simple truth with religious guilt and the economics of procreation, there is some spiritual "value" in being a virgin just as there are "risks" in being sexually reckless.

As we grow more and more spiritual, we naturally grow more and more mindful in every area of our lives. Mindfulness is the key to growth and greater well-being. The more mindful we are about what we eat, what we think, what we read, what we believe, who we associate with and yes - who we make love to - the more we will be able to manifest personal power, fulfillment and well-being.

To me, this doesn't necessarily mean we should restrict ourselves in any way. Instead, we should bring our highest selves to every relationship. We should remain very conscious about what we really want and use our personal gifts and resources wisely. Whether we're talking about sex or any other matter, to manifest a happy, healthy life experience, we have to consciously bring the best of ourselves to all we do.

Think about it: from the DNA in a strand of hair or a drop of blood, we can be identified as the unique individuals we are. The physical and metaphysical marks we leave on everyone we meet are unique; this makes all our interactions and relationships very special. Lovers are not interchangeable! Everything we do is ultimately very important.



- Julia

Alot of this Promiscuous Ideology is synominus with the satanic idiology :The "Do as thou will" Concept...of "Self-Indulgence" and Neglect of all Moral Restrictions..

In my belief, Sex is not just a Physical Activity. It is Highly Spiritual...and very important. When Two have sex, the Spirits Connect...and many Things Happen In which Our Eyes cannot Witness.

That is why Sex is so Important and is used Both in a Positive way by "Good People" and it can be used in an Evil Ritual by "Bad People"...
"Prostituting the Soul"... So basically, the more you have sex with a million different people...That a Million different Connections you had with Different Spirits

[size=150] Exodus 34:15 "Be careful not to make a treaty with those who live in the land; for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to them, they will invite you and you will eat their sacrifices.

Exodus 34:16 And when you choose some of their daughters as wives for your sons and those daughters prostitute themselves to their gods, they will lead your sons to do the same.

Jeremiah 3:1 "If a man divorces his wife and she leaves him and marries another man, should he return to her again? Would not the land be completely defiled? But you have lived as a prostitute with many lovers-- would you now return to me?" declares the LORD.

Ezekiel 16:15 "'But you trusted in your beauty and used your fame to become a prostitute. You lavished your favors on anyone who passed by and your beauty became his.

Ezekiel 23:3 They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed.

Ezekiel 23:29 They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you naked and bare, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity

.....This title was written on her forehead: MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. Revelations 17:1-18


  Notice how the Propagation of this Fornication/Adultery Show is Centered around "Eve and the Forbidden Apple" as a Mockery.




I think what many fail to realize is the Sacredness of SEX. The Physical Fluids, and the Spiritual Energy that is within them. Both Good religious People and satanic religious people will agree, that there is Much Power and energy in sex. You can learn alot from this Statement!

Then it would come as NO SUPRISE, that "Good Religions" would encourage its Followers to Respect and Obstain from Promiscuous Activity that is outside of Marriage. and It would also come as NO SUPRISE that the majority of TV networks and Society, would Push their satanic agenda of Encouraging People to engage in Sexual Activities outside of Marriage. WHY? I assume that its all within the Fluids and Energy. Depending on your Intention and Connection to that individual, it will determine what may arrise out of it.

If you are having sex with people outside of Marriage, or At Least outside of ANY Relationship, it is Obvious Negitivity will arise.

Now, Personnaly, I think that if two people are Boyfriend and Girlfriend and they have sex, Stay committed, and UNITE togeather, I think they are basically Married. Almost Married...All they really need to do now is the Symbolic Ritual and Physical Ceromony in front of 4 witnesses so that the community will recognize this.

However, I think in an Effort to Create the Best Working Society, Marriage is known to be the ONLY way to have sex. It is a Protection, to Help Ensure More that the two will stay commited and not Break the family structure OR mix spiritual Fluids and energy, thus spreading negitivity.

So, I believe one of the MAIN reasons for Marriage, is for Spiritual/Energy Protection. Then the next good reasons are Financial, Moral, etc...

CASE AND POINT---- there are a MILLION and One good reasons for marriage, and there is probabily 1 or NO good valid reasons for Promiscous/Fornication/pre-marital activitys.

(marriage is more than Physical by the way, Marriage is more than just a piece of paper. It is a Spiritual and MENTAL Bond created between two or (more in some cases up to 4) Entities. It is the Union and Solidarity of people who want to further their spirit and physical Body toawrds the striaght path (Thats what I beleive marriage is)

[nsws1988]

wow this is so creepy ra786. Are you a mind reader or something?