How sex before Marriage is not haram (prohibited) according to the Quran

[rararanran]

if something is not mention is the list of haram, doesnt necessarily means you are allowed to do it...(in general)

?? confusing if it doesnt necessarily means you are allowed to do it then, it means not allowed right?

read my all posts again and tell me a single thing i claim its haram...

i did not claim its haram .

you claim its allowed , burden of proof is on you.. either you bring a reference for your claim it would be sufficent...

i said i consider it as an immoral act and God dnt like immorality...

its you who should refrence out if god dnt like immorality and anal is not allowed thing,


my base is
16:116

and, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) this is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against allah; surely those who forge the lie against allah shall not prosper

5:87

o you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely allah does not love those who exceed the limits (sex outside marriage)

2:223

Your wives are as fields for you. You may enter your fields from any place you want. Reserve something good for your souls (for the life hereafter). Have fear of God and know that you are going to meet Him. give the glad news to the believers.

as long your supose agreed and have no problem with that, and do not foce her


and alot of hadist forbid anal intercourse with ur supose, like this one

It was narrated that Ibn ?Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ?Allaah will not look at a man who has intercourse with a woman in her back passage.? Narrated by al-Tirmidhi (1165); classed as saheeh by Ibn Daqeeq al-?Eid in al-Ilmaam (2/660) and by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

i dont like any sex, im abstaining from it, but it is what it is, anal sex is allowed with your supose

[rararanran]

lying to save life, lie is a lie
but only god who will judge

and haram means its got a direct impact to any other human,
and if the person u lie to know that u are lying, he will not trust u anymore
and u will ask forgiveness, so they will trust u again
and they will surely test u if will not lie anymore, thats what haram mean

and if u lie to save life then is it a lie or a saving life,
i say its saving life with doing haram thing which is lying,

will you get sin from god or enter hell, or will u got pahala n enter heaven, its only god who judge
but with those human u will surely take those haram punishment in human realm by other human

but my self i dont care if a bad guy who want to hurt other person eill not trust me anymore,
and im saving other people life,
i will lie if im faced with that circumstence, but the lie is still lie and it is haram

[rararanran]

back to the title

if someone said a sex outside marriage is not haram (degenerating you and no god and human punishment?)

then ask them,
1.so is it okay to have an un transgressed incest sex with your sister/brother or your parents
because we are not married to them.

2.is it okay to have multi sex (threesome etc)

3.if the one woman get pregnant after doing threesome, how you detrrmind the father of that child,
because in the future this child of threesome sex might meet a girl or boy which is his/her own brother and they might get married as an inchest

4.is it okay to have incest marriage

and in biology inchest will bring a degenerated genetic of human

my belief is,
1. marriage is an oath to make sex legal between two party man and woman
2.and an oath must have a witness, minimum is four
3.a marriage oath cannot be done in secreet
4.having boy friend n girl friend n flirting is permissable IF they have a plan to get married at first, and they cannot transgress
5.its not talking about slave but talking to have sex with your right hand (masturbation)
6.and masturbating other person outside marriage got half punishment
7.covering your reproduction, ask animal why they didnt cover it

"be higer human, dont downgrade ur self as an animal
the distinction of human and animal is on their brain thinking mind
dnot only follow your desire of animal part without brain,
by doing sex outside marriage, polygamy, incest
if u have mind but acting like animal, you are defenerating ur self lower than animal"

may god bless us and make us into higer being to the higer heaven nirvana

one more, god tell us an oath of transaction and deal must be written

human is an animal being with higer way of thingking by using their brain, the more you get lose from this animal body the better, thats why higer intellectual people prefer abstain from sex,

and people with higer knowledge got more higer degree in god sight

polygamy, drunk, gamble, not covering ur body part especialy your jewelry n your genitals
is not prohibited
but those things will degenerated you as human, even prophet want to avoid it

sex outside marriage is haram and transgressing the gods law
100 lashes in public, humiliation only (make adulters ashamed)

masturbating other person outside marriage is haram and transgressing gods law
50 lashes in public, humiliation only (making the blowjobers/handjobers ashamed)

thats the punishment in human realm,
but at the after life its god who judge, and maybe god will still put you in heaven
and give you pahala, or not its god who judge at the after life

only god know and know more then ur self know inside ur heart
may god bless us all

[imrankhawaja]

its you who should refrence out if god dnt like immorality and anal is not allowed thing,

7:28 And if they commit immorality, they say: "We found our fathers doing such, and God ordered us to it." Say: "God does not order immorality! Do you say about God what you do not know?"

my base is
16:116

and, for what your tongues describe, do not utter the lie, (saying) this is lawful and this is unlawful, in order to forge a lie against allah; surely those who forge the lie against allah shall not prosper

exactly , saying something lawful without knowledge is a lie against God..

5:87

o you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which allah has made lawful for you and do not exceed the limits; surely allah does not love those who exceed the limits (sex outside marriage)

so you are thinking anal sex is good thing thats y its lawful...

you better read the side effects of anal sex before you declare something good...

2:223

Your wives are as fields for you. You may enter your fields from any place you want. Reserve something good for your souls (for the life hereafter). Have fear of God and know that you are going to meet Him. give the glad news to the believers.

what do you mean by fields ...
is the field is from where you get your seed develop..?

if you mean by position then its understandable , but if you are changing holes like oral or anal then i would like you to advice one thing read and then understand carefully take your time...  and you based your claims due to poor understanding of verses..

try to understand what field is and what space is... 

[imrankhawaja]

anyways , coming back to the topic. i wonder people did not study quran how it should be study ..

now see if i just go one verse back before any wishful thinking of anal sex what i found in 223 i find it illogical ... in other words for intelligent person its like 2+2 = 4

2:222 And they ask you about the menstruations? Say: "It is harmful, so retire yourselves sexually from the women during the menstruations, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. When they are cleansed, then you may approach them as God has commanded you." God loves the repenters and He loves the cleansed.

first of all what a verse number.. triple 2 , a gun lol

ok anyway... i want  my brothers to focus on this and understand what is the actual message...

if somebody still claim anal sex during menstruations or in normal days,  is not forbidden its mean they are clearly on wrong path..

focus on the "colors" message is in great detail...

but if something already happened due to ignorance then God is always forgiving and merciful.....

God bless you all

[rararanran]

i think its up to the intelligence of other person ..

dnt worry you will get use to it slowly slowly...

and yeh i do spelling mistakes more than normal , but in exams i was worried about it due to the marking .
here i m not worried i can understand , if i do spell mistakes it wont effect the message...

but i m impressed from your intelligence with in two three days you are able to judge everybody and you are intelligent enough to write a long post to admins regarding their fault...  i m impressed by your intelligence and judging skills...

what i dnt understand is , you are not intelligent enough to understand my easy posts... you can always ask me if you confuse about anything

peace

[rararanran]

i think its up to the intelligence of other person ..

but i m impressed from your intelligence with in two three days you are able to judge everybody and you are intelligent enough to write a long post to admins regarding their fault...  i m impressed by your intelligence and judging skills...

"you are intelligent enough to write a long post to admins regarding their fault..."
admins? is he god? whats wrong with the long post?

2:27
Whenever they commit a shameful deed, they say: "We found our forefathers doing this and Allah Himself has commanded us to do so." Tell them: "Nay! Allah never commands what is shameful. Do you attribute to Allah something about which you have no knowledge?"

hmm immorality n shameful deed,
so what do u think in those verse the standard deed of immorality or a shamful deeds by god,
is anal sex n blowjob to ur supose considered as shameful or immoral deed in the sight of god?

but the point in those verse is

"Nay! Allah never commands what is shameful
i did not say that god command you to do anal sex or oral sex??

Do you attribute to Allah something about which you have no knowledge?
"and who said god forbid you from anal sex or oral sex??"

if god didnt command it doesent mean god forbid it

then dont say if its forbiden, and dont say that god command it
read about effect of anal sex? thus will it make it haram?
even god didnt haraming gamble n drunk, only say the bad side effect not haraming it.

i say its allowed,
allowed mean you could stay away from it or doing it, like gamble, beer, polygamy, divorce, etc its allowed, because its not prohibited haram or commanded/obligation

field? then tell me about ur understanding of entering those "field"
or ur understanding of any translation u belief about that verse

for me field is field, if its not ur field you cant enter it, if its yours then enter your field, but if the soil of your field is hard, then put a water first to that soil or with other technique, dont force it, it will break ur farming tools and the soil it self,

wait which hole? "Reserve something good for your souls"
its not only about the sex position, but also the hole which both partner prefer
if ur woman or field does not allowing you to do the anal hole or oral hole or ear hole or nose hole sex then dont force it, its about the limit, forcing ur wife is beyond limit, n doing swinger or threesome with ur wife is beyond limit (outside marriage sex)

let me guess in ur understanding, u belief that u only allowed to get inside that field only trough that v hole in any sex position, am i right?
btw thank u for the advice

[imrankhawaja]

ok we make long story short ... re-read my posts 3 or four times it may help... becoz sometimes more you read more you understand...

apart from that i may help you what field is,

you put a seed in field and it gives you output...
same when you use the right field(sex) you will get your output(kid)..

abstaining from sex during periods clearly describe the meanings of fields ...

it appears to me you are contradicting your own statements when u said you consider it as immoral... look what immorality is (fahish) acts.. indecent acts.... , filthy acts...

so not only in sex ... if you try to drink from your nose it will consider as indecent act... by the way you can also take water inside your stomach through nose... but its harmful...

do you want that God teach you not to drink with nose..?
if you are not getting these very simple things then its mean you are insulting your intelligence ...

[rararanran]

ok we make long story short ... re-read my posts 3 or four times it may help... becoz sometimes more you read more you understand...

apart from that i may help you what field is,

you put a seed in field and it gives you output...
same when you use the right field(sex) you will get your output(kid)..

abstaining from sex during periods clearly describe the meanings of fields ...

it appears to me you are contradicting your own statements when u said you consider it as immoral... look what immorality is (fahish) acts.. indecent acts.... , filthy acts...

so not only in sex ... if you try to drink from your nose it will consider as indecent act... by the way you can also take water inside your stomach through nose... but its harmful...

do you want that God teach you not to drink with nose..?
if you are not getting these very simple things then its mean you are insulting your intelligence ...

Whenever they commit a shameful deed, they say: "We found our forefathers doing this and Allah Himself has commanded us to do so." Tell them: "Nay! Allah never commands what is shameful. Do you attribute to Allah something about which you have no knowledge?"

let me ask you, is marrying an orphan girl u adopted since her childhood considered as immoral or shameful??

my self will say its an immoral and shameful things to do, how can a man who take care a girl since her child hood get married to her when she grown up and have sex with ur own adopted child??
but its not prohibited, even god give clarification and procedure to do it

even my self consider it as taboo, shameful, and immoral to marry your own adopted son or daughter
but god give an okay to do that, so i will not say it as haram


what that verse talk about is the worst secenario, when a person done shameful immoral deeds and attributed that as a command from god or his prophet, just because their father consider it as a good deed, exmaple stoning an adulter to death

the haram thing this verse talk about is, when u attributed any deeds shameful immoral or even good or kind deeds but not really ordered by god, but you called it and attributed it as a command from god,
thats my brother which is haram this verse talk about

Your wives are as fields for you. You may enter your fields from any place you want. Reserve something good for your souls (for the life hereafter). Have fear of God and know that you are going to meet Him. give the glad news to the believers.

theres nothing talk about the seeds, but from this verse if u take as a seed then it mean the seed which will produce for us a "Reserve something good for your souls" this is what we want to accomplish or get from entering the field.

an advice reread another translation about 2:222

[huruf]

my self will say its an immoral and shameful things to do, how can a man who take care a girl since her child hood get married to her when she grown up and have sex with ur own adopted child??
but its not prohibited, even god give clarification and procedure to do it

Please cite that aya qhere the qur'an says such a thing.

Salaam