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19: AYMAN EXPOSED
« on: December 29, 2009, 02:47:27 AM »

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Ayman claims the mathematical miracle of the Quran is built on manipulation, or numerology, in other words, he pretends it is nothing but ?the speech of a human?, that it is completely ?human made?.

Part 1: The system to count words in Quran

► Ayman even rejects the FACT that the pure form of the word ?day? in Quran occurs 365 times, which has been acknowledged by the experts of Quran for decades. If this is true and he rejects it, wouldn?t that mean that there is something fundamentally wrong about Ayman?s logic and sincerity?

► Now what do I call ?pure form? of a word, and what is the real reason why Ayman rejects the most obvious miracles of Quran like 365 words ?day??
There is a specific way to count words in Quran. Unlike numerology which is based on no system and arbitrary manipulations, there is a consistent SYSTEM to count words in Quran which one has to understand to visualize the miracle of Quran:
To count pure forms of words:
1. You do not include plural forms,
2. You do not include words which are attached to a possessive pronoun,
3. You exclude unusual spellings.

►  Once you follow this simple rule consistently, as a SYSTEM, then you have the right password and can witness for instance, that there is a superior miracle associated with the frequency of the words of the 19 letter ?Bismillah? and their distribution in the entire Quran, which is the foundation of the miracle of 19. You can then actually open the vault because you have the right password, and see the miracles that would otherwise remain ?hidden?.

►  Let me give a few examples:
- The pure form of the word ?day? occurs 365 times. Needless to comment the extreme relevance of such a discovery. Why does Ayman reject such a fact? Because if he accepted that there is a consistent SYSTEM to count words in Quran, he would have to admit as a consequence some of the following profound FACTS:

► 1. The foundation of the mathematical miracle of 19 is based on the 19 letter ?Bismillah?. Ayman knows it is a 19 letter expression, he knows the 19 letter expression stands at the very beginning of all suras in Quran (except sura 9, because it a divine sign sura 9 was going to be tampered with), but he claims it is irrelevant and there is no system. Let?s proceed:
► 2. This fundamental expression occurs 114 times (19x6) in the Quran, because one extra Bismillah is found directly in the text in sura 27 verse 30, to compensate for the missing Bismillah in sura 9. Even Ayman cannot deny it. It is a proven FACT. Still he claims there is nothing special here, it is coincidental.
► 3. There are 114 suras (19x6) in Quran, Even Ayman cannot deny it. Again he claims it is purely coincidental. There are 6234 numbered verses and 112 unnumbered verses called ?Bismillahs? = 6346 verses in Quran = 19x334. Ayman claims we are fudging the data by removing 9:128-129. On the contrary, it is profoundly documented and proven that 9:128-129 are a virus in Quran which disrupts the miraculous convergence and protective SYSTEM based on number 19. Please refer to the following article for detailed overwhelming proofs:
http://www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm.

Let?s proceed: Following strictly the same SYSTEM that allowed us to identify 365 pure forms of the word ?day? in Quran, all pure forms of the four words found in the 19 letter ?Bismillah? (name, God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful) have an individual frequency in the Quran that is multiple of 19:
► 4. - The pure form of ?name? occurs 19 times.
► 5. - The pure form of ?God? occurs 2698 times (19x142).
► 6. - The pure form of ?Most Gracious? occurs 57 times (19x4).
► 7. - The pure form of ?Most Merciful? occurs 114 times (19x6).
► 8. - The combined frequency of all four words of the Bismillah is 2888 = 19x19x8.

► What is the probability that, following the one consistent SYSTEM to count words we explained, that facts facts 4 to 8 provide consistently multiples of 19? It is simply 19x19x19x19x19 = 2,476,099. This is 1 chance 1 roughly 2,5 million this would be coincidental.
Believe it or not, all Ayman has to say against this is that we are trying to fool people, follow no system, he claims that words should be counted differently making no distinction between pure forms, plural, etc? What does it tell you about Ayman?s sincerity? Is he blind or does he choose to be blind? Again his favorite argument: We discard verses 9:128-129 to get to this (very impressive) result. Yes, we are, and for a profound reason: They are a virus that is identified and expelled from Quran by an anti-virus called 19. The article entitled ?361? provides additional proofs why and how the two ?lies? 9:128-129 are literally expelled from Quran by a miracle called ?361? (19x19):  http://www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm
It does not matter, Ayman pretends it is nothing but the speech of a human, that 19 is completely ?human made?. It does not touch his heart, nor reaches his mind.

► 9. In addition to all pure forms of the four words of the Bismillah being distributed in multiples of 19 in Quran, there is a very profound statistical phenomenon that is linked to all four words of the Bismillah:
 
4 words of the Bismillah:
?In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful? (19 letters)   
Gematrical Values of the four attributes multiple of 19
Ism (name): 19 / One (Waheed) = 19
God: 2698 = 19x142 / Possessor of Infinite Grace = GV 2698 = 19x142
Most Gracious: 57 = 19x3 / Glorious = GV 57 = 19x3
Most Merciful: 114 = 19x6 / Gatherer   114 = 19x6
  
► Fact: Out of over four hundred gematrical values of expressions and attributes relating to God in Arabic, only four are multiple of 19. Statistically, it is very astonishing that only four are multiple of 19, when 400:19 equals roughly 21. There should be normally about 20 of them. Why in the world, if gematrical values were not actually divinely assigned by God, would those specific FOUR gematrical values reflect with a mathematical precision the exact frequency of the four words of the Bismillah?
What will Ayman say about that? He will insist that gematrical values are human made, he will repeat that we discarded 9:128-129 to get to the fact all four words of 19 letter ?Bismillah? are multiple of 19. He will try to claim we follow no system, when we do follow a SYSTEM to count words that is perfectly consistent. The fact is: He simply cannot address the earth shattering coincidence that is described above. This is where any sincere person will question Ayman?s sincerity: How cannot he see what any sincere person would see? We have opened the vault with the right password in front of him, everyone with eyes to see can see its immense treasures, still he claims there is nothing inside; He pretends this profound phenomenon is nothing but the speech of a human, that 19 is completely ?human made?.

Part 2: 19 is the proof
► 10. Sura 19 has 98 verses. It is the sign that ?19? is ?the Proof? (GV 98, البينة). In Arabic if you write the nominal sentence ?19 is the proof? (?tis?ata ?achara al bayinah?), this corresponds exactly to the meaning of sura 19 having ?98? verses (GV ?The proof?). How can we be sure of that?  
► 11. Let?s see how many times the word ?Proof? (GV 67, 19th prime number without the article ?al?: بينة) occurs in Quran following strictly the same SYSTEM that has enabled us to identify the previous facts, among which we identified 365 pure forms of the word ?Day?: ?Proof? occurs exactly 19 times in Quran, simply because 19 is the ?Proof?.  
► 12. Furthermore the 18 and 19th final occurrences of the word ?the proof? occur in sura?98 (GV ?the proof?). Obviously Ayman will insist that words should be counted a different way. What we are doing here is simply trying to fool people, It does not even make sense!
There is a FACT though, we follow a consistent SYSTEM to count words and we count consistently pure forms of words exclusively.  

► 13. The word ?Nineteen? occurs only once in Quran written with letters in verse 74:30. If we calculate the gematrical values of all letters from the first letter of ?nineteen? in 74:30 ("Over it is NINETEEN") to the last letter of ?THE PROOF? (written with a GV of 98 with the article ?al?) in 98:1 (18th occurrence of ?the proof? in Quran), there are 11004 letters overlapping 25 suras, and which gematrical values are 852948 = 19x44892. The significance is most profound: 19 is ?the proof? (GV 98, sura 98). What does Ayman have to say about that. That it is coincidental. He claims that gematrical values are ?human made? and follow no SYSTEM that provides significant patterns. He claims gematrical values should even be calculated differently. We?ll get back to that. OK, let?s proceed.
  
► 14. If we calculate the gematrical values of all letters from the first letter of ?nineteen? in 74:30 to the last letter of ?THE PROOF? in 98:4 (19th occurrence of ?the proof? in Quran), there are 11083 letters which gematrical values are 858230 = 19x45170. The significance is absolutely overwhelming: 19 is ?the proof? (GV 98, sura 98). Even though we followed strictly the same method in both cases, Ayman will tell you that it is coincidental and irrelevant. There is one chance in 361 (19x19) that the two previous facts would be coincidental since they follow exactly the same pattern. Is Ayman really sincere or does he just deny for the sake of denying? He will say it again: It is nothing but the speech of a human, 19 is completely ?human made?, there is no proof here.

Part 3: The Gematrical Value SYSTEM.

► In addition to claiming that gematrical values are human made, one of Ayman?s favorites tricks is to claim that gematrical values are miscalculated. For instance he claims that the Ta marbuta (ة), which has the shape of a ?Ha? (GV 5), should be calculated as the GV of ?Ta? (ت, 400). He believes this allows him to save face and deny the truth because he knows deep in himself that so many statistically impossible facts have already been identified so far with the gematrical value SYSTEM and its relation with Quran. So let us examine his claim: Ta marbuta has a gematrical value of 4 because of pronunciation reasons and because of the shape of the letter, identical as Ha (GV 5). Ta marbuta is either pronunced as a light ?Ha? or ?Ta? see the article on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81%CA%BE_marb%C5%AB%E1%B9%ADa.
► Why would a letter that is written Ha, and often pronounced as light ?Ha? be calculated as a ?Ta?? The real reason is that if Ayman were to admit this simple truth, he would then be obliged to admit that the gematrical value system displays massive miracles. So he hides behind so called historic ?incontrovertible? proofs and lies, but he is incapable of addressing FACTS that are simple and statiscally overwhelming.
► When we point at the fact that the gematrical value of Rashad Khalifa is 1230 (it ends with a Ta Marbuta) he will deny and say we should calculate the Ta marbuta ending ?Khalifah? as a Ta (400). He will deny because he is afraid and knows there are earth shattering miracle associated with the gematrical value of Rashad Khalifa, the messenger of God who discovered the miracle of 19. Type Khalifah ending with an ?H? in english in Google and check how many results you have (I swear to God, I checked today, as of 28/12/09, it is exactly 1,230,000; interestingly it is evenly divisible by the gematrical value of ?Rashad Khalifah? 1230, what a coincidence !); Now check Khalifat ending with a ?T? (159,000 enties on Google as of 28/12/09). Why Khalifah with an ?H? is transcribed so many more times? Because correctly pronounced in Arabic, the Ta marbuta at the end is pronounced a light ?H?.
► 15. Ayman will deny again the earth shattering statistical evidence regarding Rashad Khalifa?s date he was martyred, when we point at the fact that Rashad Khalifa?s gematrical value is associated with number 19, he will deny because he is afraid, and because it is an inconvenient truth: 31/01/1990 = 19x1230x1327.
There is statistically one chance in 23270 that the date Rashad was assassinated would be both multiple of 19 and 1230 (19x1230 = 23270). It is a simple, overwhelming FACT. The real statistic is actually a lot more than one chance in over 31 million if you understand the depth of the miracle hidden behind his death:
http://www.islamrevolution.org/rashadsdeathandsura19.htm
Even more incredible, the sign engraved in rashad?s date of martyrdom relates overwhelmingly to sura 19.  
Ayman will insist: No, you calculate gematrical values the wrong way. And why? Because Ayman is not sincere. He is ready to say anything to misguide people, save face and persuade himself there is nothing miraculous.

► Then Ayman will also say that the Hamza which marks the glottal stop in Arabic should not be calculated as 1, because it was not in the original text of the Quran (although they were often marked with dots in early Quranic copies), and is not an ?Alif? (GV 1). Again Ayman who likes so much to hide behind so called historical proofs, forgets the fact that Hamza was marked with Alef even before the Arabic script existed. It is the very simple reason why Hamza is logically added to the Arabic script today and calculated as 1 in the gematrical value SYSTEM. What kind of a researcher is he when he only points at ?historical proofs? when they seem to go his way? It this sincerity or is it manipulation?
► Quran means ?Recitation? in Arabic and Quran is meant to be written and translate the ?recitation?. This is why Hamza is part of the Quranic script today. Please read the following article for real historical proofs regarding ?Hamza?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamza
► The main issue Ayman conveniently forgets when it comes to Quran and how it should be writtten is that ?God controls everything? (Quran 8:17) and that He had a plan to display infinite, heavy signs, with the final way Quran would be written. How can you really judge whether a sign is pure numerology or is actually significant? It has to follow a consistent SYSTEM, and it has to make sense within the Quranic text.
Applying the same SYSTEM to calculate gematrical values in Quran taking into account historical, pronounciation and shapes of letters, there is no other way to calculate gematrical values than the way Rashad Khalifa for example naturally calculated them as a native Arabic speaker.

Part 4: Significance of 19
► Ayman loves to say that in the Quran, the gematrical value of ?Waheed? (One/Oneness) is not written ?19? but 18. He is absolutely right.

4.1 19 is ?Guidance?
Unfortunately he purposedly does not tell you the whole story and it is  going to be explained in detail; So Let?s start with the obvious meaning of 19:
► 16. - Firstly, 19 is the symbol of ?guidance? in Quran, as it is the gematrical value of ?Huda? (هدى) (ه = H = 5, د = D = 4; ى = Y = 10, thus 5 + 4 + 10 = 19).
 
► 19 is God?s ?guidance? and it helps believers to distinguish between right and wrong, as it is so obvious with the issue of 9:128-129, the false verses who break the foundation of the mathematical miracle of the Quran, most notably 19. Without ?guidance? no one can find the path, allegorically, no one can see, as it is the case with Ayman. Ayman cannot deny the gematrical value of ?guidance?, except by claiming the GV system is human made.
9:32 They want to put out GOD's light with their mouths, but GOD insists upon perfecting His light, in spite of the disbelievers.
9:33 He is the One who sent His messenger with the guidance (19) and the religion of truth (follow Quran Alone, Islam purified from baseless Hadiths), and will make it dominate all religions, in spite of the idol worshipers.
► Is this a coincidence if these key verses announcing the victory of Islam occur in sura 9, the sura that has been purified by Rashad Khalifa thanks to the miracle of 19 which identified and rejected 9:128-129?
► 17. It is pointed out in the article ?Sura 9: Over it is 168? that the gematrical value of the section defined by the 168 words ?God? is multiple of 168, GV of ?Bismillah?, the hidden blessing over sura 9 that blesses sura 9 until 9:127.
► 18. Following strictly the same SYSTEM that unveiled that sura 9, the only sura not blessed by a 19 letter ?Bismillah?, is actually blessed symbolically with a 7 letter ?Bismillah?, when we calculate the letters and corresponding gematrical values between the first 19 words ?God? (Both words God included) in sura 9, there are 1230 letters, which gematrical values are multiple of 19. The meaning is simple: God sent a messenger called ?1230? (GV Rashad Khalifa) that was going to come with a miracle called ?19? and he was going to purify sura 9 and Quran.  
► 19. Adding the gematrical value of the two miracles which combined protect sura 9, we get: 19 (GV 1105) + ?Bismillah? (GV 168) = 1273 = 19x67 = 19x19th prime number = 19 x ?Proof? (GV 67).  
► 20. In addition 1273 is precisely the frequency of the word ?God? in sura 9! Full article on ?168? and many more proofs: http://www.islamrevolution.org/sura9overitis168.htm  
► What will Ayman say about this? He will ignore completely that the SYSTEM of gematrical values speaks, he will ignore that the frequency of the word ?God? is 1273 in 9:127 and its profound meaning. He will repeat the same lies to attempt to misguide as many people as he can and try to confuse matters for them, when FACTS regarding the miracle of 19 and others miracles make such profound sense in the Quran for people who sincery seek the truth.
Ayman will say it again: ?it is nothing but the speech of a human, 19 is completely ?human made?. It does not touch his heart, nor reaches his mind.

4.2 19: Symbol of the Oneness of God
► Does 19 reflect the gematrical value of ?waheed?, symbol of Oneness of God, or not? We need to clarify here, because there is a secret behind the reason why ?waheed? is written 18 in Quran. Let me explain:
► Waheed is pronounced ?Waaheed? with a long A (?Alif?), which happens not to be transcribed in Quran. Waheed is always written is dictionaries with an Alif, which makes it a gematrical value of 19. The question is: Why an unusual spelling in the Quran?
► 21. The reason is deeply connected with the symbol of ?Bismillah?: One more overwhelming sign engraved in the 19 letter Bismillah, which proves one more time that the gematrical value system is a reality, is that the addition of the three divine names ?God? (GV 66) + Most Gracious? (GV 329) + Most Merciful (GV 289) is 684 = 19x36.
► 22. Let us look very closely at this number because the factor associated with 19 is heavy with significance:
The addition of the three letters which compose ?Allah? (God) are Alif (1) + Lam (30) + Ha (GV 5) = 36.
36 is in fact the gematrical value of ?Elah? (اله , divinity), and Allah is ?Al Elah? (?The Divinity?, GV 67, 19th prime number), which contracts in ?Allah? (الله) in the Holy Quran.
► What is clear in the divine names of the 19 letter Bismillah is that they are names which belong to God Alone - no one else has the right to be called with these attributes ? and 19, symbol of ?Guidance? and ?Oneness? (GV 18 in Quran, pronounced 19, we are about to see why), is associated with 36, the symbol of absolute divinity ?Elah?. One of the meaning associated with 684 with 19x36 is that there is ?One? (19) ?Divinity? (36).
► 23. The foundation of faith in Islam is the pure ?shahadah? ?there is no other god beside God? (لا اله الا الله, GV 165). If 19 were really the symbol of absolute ?Oneness?, why would the greatest ?shahadah? not even be multiple of 19?! One of the secrets of the proclamation of faith is that the four words which compose it are exclusively composed of the same three letters found in ?Allah? (الله), and therefore ?Elah? (اله, ?divinity?): Alif (1) + Lam (30) + Ha (GV 5) = 36.
► 24. Quran is an infinetely deep scripture, and ?there is no other god beside God? (GV 165) is also coded with 19 in a ?hidden? manner (the miracle of 19 mentioned in sura 74 is called the ?Hidden?): If you concatenate the sequence of letters according to the GV SYSTEM you get 30-1-1-30-5-1-30-1-1-30-30-5 or?
30113051301130305 = 19x1584897436901595.
► No question the proclamation of faith reflects the ?Oneness? of God (pronounced ?19? in the GV system).
► Now let us go back to the unsusual spelling of ?waheed? (وحد, ?One/Oneness?) in Quran without Alif. Ayman is absolutely right: the GV in Quran is 18, not 19: و (GV 6) + ح (GV8) + د (GV 4) = 18. Same thing as above, one could say again, ?If 19 were really the symbol of absolute ?oneness?, why would such an overwhelmingly obvious sign of ?Oneness? (Waheed) not even be multiple of 19 in the GV SYSTEM?!
► 25. Good question, and good point. As I said there is a profound reason.
If we concatenate the sequence of letters like we did with the ?shahadah? we get: و (GV 6), ح (GV8), د (GV 4) : 684 = 19x36.
► Doesn?t 684 ring a huge bell ? We have explained that 684 is the combined addition of the gematrical value of the three divine names of the ?Bismillah?. We have shown why it symbolizes there is ?One? ?Dininity?. These are secrets of the Quran, and they are meant to be obvious for the sincere, and they are meant to be rejected by people like Ayman who will fail to understand that 19, when it refers to the ?Oneness? of God, is not a uni-dimensonal symbol, but one that is deep and multi-dimensonal.
Remark: 684 (19x36) is also the gematrical value of the key expression ?the Honorable Quran? (القرءان الكريم), another profound sign for those who have eyes to see.
► Quran is a ?recitation? (its literal meaning), this is why ?Waheed? is pronounced 19, and it is why it is indeed the great symbol of ?Oneness? in Quran and even nature. Quran is also meant to display an infinite number of signs in writing, and Quran has a number of ?unsusual spellings? all over Quran that are designed to reveal secrets.
► Those who are bent on denying the truth reject and will always criticize a logic and signs that are reserved for the sincere. Only those who open their hearts can clearly see.  

4.3 19, the test
► 26. Remember, 19 is called the ?hidden? in sura 74 (74:1). From the first letter of ?Hidden? until the last letter of ?Nineteen? in sura 74, there are 361 letters = 19x19. 19 is a fitnah (Test) according to 74:31 designed to separate believers from non believers. This is one of the reasons why God left the opportunity to people like Ayman to deny and claim that the miracle of 19 is ?human made?, which is the Quranic accomplishment of verse 74:25, 5 verses before the only time nineteen is mentioned in Quran:

74:25 ?This is nothing but the speech of a human." 74:26 Soon will I cast him into Saqar! 74:27 And what will explain to thee what Saqar is? 74:28 It neither spares, nor releases, 74:29 and it burns the flesh . 74:30 Over it are nineteen (angels guarding). 74:31 We have appointed none but angels to guard the Fire (al Naar), and made their number (19) only as a test so that those to whom the Book was given are certain and those who believe increase in belief. And that those who were given the Book, and those who believe will not be in doubt. And that those in whose hearts there is a sickness, together with the unbelievers, may say: 'What did Allah intend by this as an example? ' As such, Allah leaves in error whom He will and He guides whomsoever He will. None knows the hosts of your Lord except He. This is no more than a Reminder to humans. 74:32 No, by the moon! 74:33 By the receding night 74:34 and the morning when it appears,  74:35  it is one of the greatest (miracle).

The article ?19, the test of fire? details the meaning of the allegory of 19: http://www.islamrevolution.org/19thetestoffire.htm
The miracle of 19 is a test of faith: Those who accept the miracle of 19 see their faith greatly strenghtened, and those who reject the miracle of 19 and its implications (among other things, it purifies Quran, see 74:4 ?purify your garment?) are left in doubt. 19 is the allegory of a test of fire which purifies metal from impurities, like believers are seperated from unbelievers, and like Quran is purified from falsehood (9:128-129).

Conclusion:
► The primary foundation of the miracle of 19 is built upon the 19 letter ?Bismillah?.
► Counting words in Quran relies on a consistent SYSTEM: All pure forms of the words found in this fundamental expression have a frequency in the Quran which is multiple of 19.
► This same system has been able to identify a number of properties like the fact the pure form of the word ?day? occurs 365 times in Quran, or the word ?proof? occurs 19 times.
► 19 is the proof of Quran.
► Only four gematrical values of attributes of God are multiple of 19 out of over 400. Miraculously, their respective gematrical value reflects precisely the frequency of all four words of the ?Bismillah?.
► Gematrical values are also a consistent SYSTEM that is derived from history and which proves that ?God controls everything?: It was God?s will that Quran would be mathematically coded according to this SYSTEM, and when Quran is properly written and gematrical values counted, it reveals countless mathematical properties that are beyond human capabilities. It is the case for instance for the three divine attributes of the bismillah (GV = 684 = 19x36), and for endless mathematical phenomenon already documented like 361 and 168 (islamrevolution.org).
19 is the symbol of God?s guidance and Oneness. One of the two symbol is obvious as written in Quran (Guidance = GV 19), the other (Waheed = One/Oneness) is ?hidden? and written in a peculiar way in Quran (GV 18) although pronounced 19, in order to reveal a hidden connection with the three attributes of Bismillah, ultimate symbol that there is ?One Divinity?: God.
19 is a test that seperates truth from falsehood and believers from unbelievers. People who claim it is the mere ?speech of a human?, or ?human made? are living fulfilment of the Quranic prophecy that throngs of human beings are meant to reject ?one of the greatest? miracles, a miracle which is designed to provide overwhelming proofs for the sincere and provide them with certainty, but which leaves room for those who have a disease in their hearts to fully express their rejection.

Peace.

Pierre

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Re: 19: AYMAN EXPOSED
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2009, 08:10:04 AM »
Peace,

the FACT that the pure form of the word ?day? in Quran occurs 365 times

ZERO to do with nineteen same as the FACT that people have 10 fingers and toes.

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What is the probability that, following the one consistent SYSTEM to count words we explained

ZERO since what you state, count, miscount, omit, include/exclude is not consistent nor true.

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Re: 19: AYMAN EXPOSED
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2009, 05:08:15 PM »
Peace,

ZERO to do with nineteen same as the FACT that people have 10 fingers and toes.

ZERO since what you state, count, miscount, omit, include/exclude is not consistent nor true.


Salaam Nunholiday,

Once you agree that counting pure forms of the word "day" there are 365 of them. then, if you are sincere which you are not, you are obliged to agree that every single word of the Bismillah is multiple of 19. This is why Ayman is stuck in denial with 365 days.
I wrote an entire study on 9:128-129 and why they break the foundation of the mathematical miracle, people who take the time to study carefully and are sincere cannot make the wrong choice: They are repelled from Quran:  http://www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm

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Re: 19: AYMAN EXPOSED
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2010, 12:21:00 AM »
Peace Pierre,

Ayman claims the mathematical miracle of the Quran is built on manipulation, or numerology, in other words, he pretends it is nothing but ?the speech of a human?, that it is completely ?human made?.

Sorry for the late response but I am very busy and I don't have time for your misquoting me. Please quote where I said that your Code 19 is "the speech of a human". In fact quite the opposite, I always said that Code 19 has nothing to do with "speech" since, as everyone knows, Code 19 is only concerned with the written aspect of language. This makes it absolutely certain that 74:25 has nothing to do with Code 19 as you and Khalifa before you falsely claimed. Code 19 is not speech by any measure. It is arbitrary counting and selective sharing of results. More precisely, it is manmade numerology, which is a deception based on arbitrary counting to reach a preconceived result while sharing the successes and hiding the failures.

Here is what you said:

I answered every single of your objections on the contrary in "19: Ayman exposed".

Please don't waste everyone time and do as you say and quote every single one of my objections from the following posts:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599695.msg235572#msg235572

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599695.msg235610#msg235610

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9599695.msg235749#msg235749

Next, respond objectively to every single one of my objections that you copied and pasted to ensure that you don't do any more misquoting with specifics and not generalized fuzzy feely subjective responses. An example, of a subjective response is to treat inconsistencies as more profound hidden miracles.

Let me demonstrate to you a point by point response so that you learn how you should respond:

► Ayman even rejects the FACT that the pure form of the word ?day? in Quran occurs 365 times, which has been acknowledged by the experts of Quran for decades. If this is true and he rejects it, wouldn?t that mean that there is something fundamentally wrong about Ayman?s logic and sincerity?

What I reject is your definition of what is "pure". There is no rhyme or reason apart from getting a preconceived result.

► Now what do I call ?pure form? of a word, and what is the real reason why Ayman rejects the most obvious miracles of Quran like 365 words ?day??
There is a specific way to count words in Quran. Unlike numerology which is based on no system and arbitrary manipulations, there is a consistent SYSTEM to count words in Quran which one has to understand to visualize the miracle of Quran:
To count pure forms of words:
1. You do not include plural forms,
2. You do not include words which are attached to a possessive pronoun,
3. You exclude unusual spellings.
►  Once you follow this simple rule consistently, as a SYSTEM, then you have the right password and can witness for instance, that there is a superior miracle associated with the frequency of the words of the 19 letter ?Bismillah? and their distribution in the entire Quran, which is the foundation of the miracle of 19. You can then actually open the vault because you have the right password, and see the miracles that would otherwise remain ?hidden?.

But even if you apply this logic to the count of the word "ism" you will never get its count as 19. In fact, no matter what rules you apply you will never get the count of "ism" as 19. Please post your counts of the "ism" and explain your "pure" forms of it according to the above 3 factors.

►  Let me give a few examples:
- The pure form of the word ?day? occurs 365 times. Needless to comment the extreme relevance of such a discovery. Why does Ayman reject such a fact? Because if he accepted that there is a consistent SYSTEM to count words in Quran, he would have to admit as a consequence some of the following profound FACTS:

Again, apart from trying to reach a preconceved result, what I reject is your definition of "pure". What authority do you have to define what is a pure word and what is a filthy or not pure word that you toss out!

► 1. The foundation of the mathematical miracle of 19 is based on the 19 letter ?Bismillah?. Ayman knows it is a 19 letter expression, he knows the 19 letter expression stands at the very beginning of all suras in Quran (except sura 9, because it a divine sign sura 9 was going to be tampered with), but he claims it is irrelevant and there is no system. Let?s proceed:

Actually, if you consider the way things sound like you did wth "wahed" then the Bismallah doesn't have 19 letters when you apply the same rules.

► 2. This fundamental expression occurs 114 times (19x6) in the Quran, because one extra Bismillah is found directly in the text in sura 27 verse 30, to compensate for the missing Bismillah in sura 9. Even Ayman cannot deny it. It is a proven FACT. Still he claims there is nothing special here, it is coincidental.

There is no missing Bismallah. The Bismallahs are the only god-inspired things that divide the chapters. The great reading must therefore be 113 chapters with a long chapter 8 that encompasses what is now Chapter 9.

► 3. There are 114 suras (19x6) in Quran, Even Ayman cannot deny it. Again he claims it is purely coincidental. There are 6234 numbered verses and 112 unnumbered verses called ?Bismillahs? = 6346 verses in Quran = 19x334. Ayman claims we are fudging the data by removing 9:128-129. On the contrary, it is profoundly documented and proven that 9:128-129 are a virus in Quran which disrupts the miraculous convergence and protective SYSTEM based on number 19. Please refer to the following article for detailed overwhelming proofs:
http://www.islamrevolution.org/9128129parti.htm.

Actually, I do deny that there are 114 chapters in the great reading. There are only 113. What no one can deny is that chapter titles and decorations are 100% manmade. Absent of chapter titles and decorations then the Bismallahs are the ONLY separators and the great reading must have 113 chapters. It is also noteable that Chapter 9 continues the same rythm in Chapter 8 and continues the same context of war and striving in the path of the god.

Let?s proceed: Following strictly the same SYSTEM that allowed us to identify 365 pure forms of the word ?day? in Quran, all pure forms of the four words found in the 19 letter ?Bismillah? (name, God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful) have an individual frequency in the Quran that is multiple of 19:
► 4. - The pure form of ?name? occurs 19 times.

This is false. Pleas post those 19 occurences.

► 5. - The pure form of ?God? occurs 2698 times (19x142).
► 6. - The pure form of ?Most Gracious? occurs 57 times (19x4).
► 7. - The pure form of ?Most Merciful? occurs 114 times (19x6).
► 8. - The combined frequency of all four words of the Bismillah is 2888 = 19x19x8.

Wow! Adding 19 divisibles, you get an even bigger 19 divisible. What a miracle! This is just like multiplying a number by 19 and then discovering that the result is miraculously 19 divisible! How come only 19ers who are supposedly math whizs are capable of uttering such nuggets of wisdom!? Don't bother answering. It is a rhetorical question. Why am I not surprised that you guys are the most ignorant in even basic math?

► What is the probability that, following the one consistent SYSTEM to count words we explained, that facts facts 4 to 8 provide consistently multiples of 19? It is simply 19x19x19x19x19 = 2,476,099. This is 1 chance 1 roughly 2,5 million this would be coincidental.

You probably got a big F in probability in college (that is of course if you went to college or studied probability).

Firstly, as I said Fact 8 is derived from the previous four. So according to your logic I could add another fact 9 derived from 6 and 7 saying 114+57= 19x9 and say that the probability is now 1 in 19x19x19x19x19x19 which is even more "impressive" than yours.

Secondly, the ex ante probability of getting a 19 divisible in a random sample of numbers is 1 in 19. What you are describing is getting five 19 divisibles in a row in a random sample. This is just like the ex ante probability of getting a heads on a coin is 1 in 2 and getting heads 5 times in a row is 1 in 2x2x2x2x2. Now if I throw the coin and get a tails but AFTER throwing it turn over the coin and put is on heads the probability becomes 1 in 1. Similarly, AFTER Khalifa counted those frequencies and failed to get 19 divisibles he adjusted the results by deleting verses and not counting certain verses, not counting certain forms, etc. until he got 19 divisibles. So the probability is actually 1 in 1.

Believe it or not, all Ayman has to say against this is that we are trying to fool people, follow no system, he claims that words should be counted differently making no distinction between pure forms, plural, etc? What does it tell you about Ayman?s sincerity? Is he blind or does he choose to be blind? Again his favorite argument: We discard verses 9:128-129 to get to this (very impressive) result. Yes, we are, and for a profound reason: They are a virus that is identified and expelled from Quran by an anti-virus called 19. The article entitled ?361? provides additional proofs why and how the two ?lies? 9:128-129 are literally expelled from Quran by a miracle called ?361? (19x19):  http://www.islamrevolution.org/361mainarticle.htm
It does not matter, Ayman pretends it is nothing but the speech of a human, that 19 is completely ?human made?. It does not touch his heart, nor reaches his mind.

Besides the misquoting, this is amusing but of no objective value.

► 9. In addition to all pure forms of the four words of the Bismillah being distributed in multiples of 19 in Quran, there is a very profound statistical phenomenon that is linked to all four words of the Bismillah:
 4 words of the Bismillah:
?In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful? (19 letters)   
Gematrical Values of the four attributes multiple of 19
Ism (name): 19 / One (Waheed) = 19
God: 2698 = 19x142 / Possessor of Infinite Grace = GV 2698 = 19x142
Most Gracious: 57 = 19x3 / Glorious = GV 57 = 19x3
Most Merciful: 114 = 19x6 / Gatherer   114 = 19x6

Nope. Ism doesn't occur 19 times and Waheed GV is 18 so both sides are wrong. Also, how come "Most Gracious" and "Most Merciful" frequencies don't match their GV and instead 19ers had to dig around hundreds of attributes to find ones with GVs to match those frequencies, which are false to begin with?

► Fact: Out of over four hundred gematrical values of expressions and attributes relating to God in Arabic, only four are multiple of 19. Statistically, it is very astonishing that only four are multiple of 19, when 400:19 equals roughly 21. There should be normally about 20 of them. Why in the world, if gematrical values were not actually divinely assigned by God, would those specific FOUR gematrical values reflect with a mathematical precision the exact frequency of the four words of the Bismillah?

This is false. You are falsely assuming that the GV of words provide a continuous set of truly random data with all the possible numbers. In reality GVs of words will be restricted because, for example, the limit on word length, certain letter combinations can't occur thus making certain numbers impossible, etc. So taking those factors into account the frequency is reasonable. I am sure that you would find the same thing with 17 divisibles and 23 divisibles.

Also, those attributes can be counted in different ways, for example, with or without the definite article and with or without a Matres Lectionis as you did with "waheed". If you take this into account then you will naturally find more 19 divisibles. In your particular results if you take into account the definite article which is certainly part of the attributes in the Bismallah and of "the glorious" and "the gatherer" and disregard the Matres Lectionis of "waheed" then you may even end up with zero 19 divisible attributes. This is according to your logic is even more miraculous.

What will Ayman say about that? He will insist that gematrical values are human made, he will repeat that we discarded 9:128-129 to get to the fact all four words of 19 letter ?Bismillah? are multiple of 19.

Not just disregarding 9:128-129 but also selective counting of words (as you admit) and selective counting of verses (for example ignoring the words of the unnumbered Bismallahs in some counts while including them in others).

He will try to claim we follow no system, when we do follow a SYSTEM to count words that is perfectly consistent. The fact is: He simply cannot address the earth shattering coincidence that is described above. This is where any sincere person will question Ayman?s sincerity: How cannot he see what any sincere person would see? We have opened the vault with the right password in front of him, everyone with eyes to see can see its immense treasures, still he claims there is nothing inside; He pretends this profound phenomenon is nothing but the speech of a human, that 19 is completely ?human made?.

What is the password? Please tell us. In reality, you don't know the password because there is no single password that opens the vault. The vault is opened randomly after every 19 trials on average. In the other 18 failed trials, you failed to open the vault but you are not telling us. If you disagree then tell us what is this password or formula of Code 19. There is none.

More on the remaining parts when I have more time.

Peace,

Ayman

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Re: 19: AYMAN EXPOSED
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2010, 08:00:05 AM »
Peace bro "Ayman",
I know we've had severe clashes and differences in the past but time showed we also have many similarities. Regarding code-19 i just want to ask you one thing which i still havnt got a satisfying reply to, namely, "why did GOD supposedly specifically make the number 19 as only a fitnah for the unbelievers and not any other number/prime number, which would then have an equal opportunity of becoming such? if that was to be the sole purpose wouldnt it be more adequate to use no number or no specific number but just a general reference to counting in the Quran being a fitnah for example?" You see now that whatever number wouldve been put in that verse could become a potential fitnah for unbelievers if we take your understanding, thus rendering the usage of any particular number in that verse useless. Are you suggesting GOD uses numbers in the verses theyr found at random or with/for no specific meaning/purpose? GOD Bless!
[19:19] He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2010, 01:08:41 AM »
Peace Ayman,

Nice summary; you certainly do have patience...

Wow! Adding 19 divisibles, you get an even bigger 19 divisible. What a miracle! This is just like multiplying a number by 19 and then discovering that the result is miraculously 19 divisible! How come only 19ers who are supposedly math whizs are capable of uttering such nuggets of wisdom!? Don't bother answering. It is a rhetorical question. Why am I not surprised that you guys are the most ignorant in even basic math?

It's the same with extremists who cannot read/comprehend even the simplest clearest verses.

Peace Pierre,

Conclusion:
19 is a test that seperates truth from falsehood

Let's see if you pass (i.e. finally get it) even though you misspelled "separates" there is reason for everything...

A B C D E F G H I J  K  L  M  N  O  P  Q  R  S  T  U  V  W  X  Y  Z
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26

a test    that   seperates      truth     from    falsehood
1 2051920 208120 19516518120519 201821208 6181513 6112195815154



9:128 لقد جاءكم رسول من انفسكم عزيز عليه ماعنتم حريص عليكم بالمؤمنين رؤوف رحيم
9:129 فان تولوا فقل حسبي الله لااله الا هو عليه توكلت وهو رب العرش العظيم

We know above GV is a multiple, Calculator: http://www.markknowsnothing.com/cgi-bin/calculator.cgi

301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2006680 20081040 9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 3011305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 9

= 19 x ...

Now let's decode and append front and end what you wrote to see it is also a multiple...

1 2051920 208120 19516518120519 201821208 6181513 6112195815154
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2006680 20081040 9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 3011305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 9

1 2051920 208120 19516518120519 201821208 6181513 6112195815154
= 19 x ...

Now try shifting above any way you like see if you can find a combination NOT a multiple; look even works backwards!

4515185912116 3151816 802128102 91502181561591 021802 0291502 1
301004 3112040 20060630 4050 15080602040 707107 7030105 401705040040 82001090 7030102040 213040640501050 2006680 20081040 9
80150 40063061 8010030 860210 130305 3011305 1301 56 7030105 40062030400 656 2002 13070200300 130709001040 9

4515185912116 3151816 802128102 91502181561591 021802 0291502 1
= 19 x ...

That's Factorial of 57 (19 x 3): 40526919504877216755680601905432322134980384796226602145184481280000000000000 multiples!

http://www.numberempire.com/factorialcalculator.php

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2010, 01:14:14 PM »
Peace Jonny_k,

I know we've had severe clashes and differences in the past but time showed we also have many similarities. Regarding code-19 i just want to ask you one thing which i still havnt got a satisfying reply to, namely, "why did GOD supposedly specifically make the number 19 as only a fitnah for the unbelievers and not any other number/prime number, which would then have an equal opportunity of becoming such?

People would ask the same about any number. Why 7 heavens? Why not 5 or 6 or 19 or whatever? I am sure we would be having this same exact discussion had the number been 17 or 23 or 7. In fact, I even remember Bahman doing some numerology with a Code 7. So it doesn't matter what number, those who don't appreciate the great reading as it is and are instead looking from some "miracle" will find something to cling to.

This is the same like when the god said "obey the messenger" and then people took this to justify Hadiths.

if that was to be the sole purpose wouldnt it be more adequate to use no number or no specific number but just a general reference to counting in the Quran being a fitnah for example?"[/b]

The god never says anything specific about "counting 19 in the great reading" in the same way that he never said anything specific about Bukhari. The god tells us in general that the counting of 19 is an attractive temptation for the unappreciative. So you see the unappreciative not only attracted to counting 19 in the great reading but also in all sorts of things such as calendar dates and magic hexagon, etc., etc. They are attracted to counting 19 everywhere. I bet that when they take bus #19 or flight #19 they get aroused.

You see now that whatever number wouldve been put in that verse could become a potential fitnah for unbelievers if we take your understanding, thus rendering the usage of any particular number in that verse useless. Are you suggesting GOD uses numbers in the verses theyr found at random or with/for no specific meaning/purpose? GOD Bless!

You can say the same about all the numbers in the great reading. Why even mention the number of heavens to begin with? Why not just say "the heavens" without any number since this is anyway beyond our comprehension? The god could have also created 5 or 6 or 11 heavens and not 7. Bahman would have used whatever number was mentioned to do his numerology. This is the attitude of those who are unappreciative that we can easily and empirically verify. As 74:30-31 clearly says what makes our faith stronger is not the count of 19 but it is the attitude of the unappreciative and seeing how the count is indeed an attractive temptation for them.

So if you want to question why the god created 19 guardians for hell then by the same token you have to question why the god created 7 heavens. I am not going to question all this. If I were you I wouldn't question this either since only those whose hearts have a problem would question the god's examples and as you can see, the question is useless. You will never be able to answer why the god created 19 guardians for hell no more than you will be able to answer why the god created 7 heavens. Those questions only expose a person's lack of faith in the great reading and their delusion and arrogance that everything the god created is about them.

Peace,

Ayman

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2010, 05:08:27 PM »
Peace "ayman"

Peace Jonny_k,

People would ask the same about any number. Why 7 heavens? Why not 5 or 6 or 19 or whatever? I am sure we would be having this same exact discussion had the number been 17 or 23 or 7. In fact, I even remember Bahman doing some numerology with a Code 7. So it doesn't matter what number, those who don't appreciate the great reading as it is and are instead looking from some "miracle" will find something to cling to.

JK- Yes and thats why the no 7 HAS TO MEAN SOMETHING possibly GOD dividing the universe into 7 distinct recognizable layers NOT 8 not 9 BUT 7. Thats exactly the point. It CANNOT BE JUST A RANDOM NO.

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This is the same like when the god said "obey the messenger" and then people took this to justify Hadiths.

JK- No it's not because it should be clear that the Quran came through the messenger and not directly from GOD so the connection is obvious.

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The god never says anything specific about "counting 19 in the great reading" in the same way that he never said anything specific about Bukhari. The god tells us in general that the counting of 19 is an attractive temptation for the unappreciative. So you see the unappreciative not only attracted to counting 19 in the great reading but also in all sorts of things such as calendar dates and magic hexagon, etc., etc. They are attracted to counting 19 everywhere. I bet that when they take bus #19 or flight #19 they get aroused.

JK- people get aroused by all sorts of things. Some could be significant some not. We all get excited about the Quran's accuracy and predictions for example. Doesnt mean its wrong.

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You can say the same about all the numbers in the great reading. Why even mention the number of heavens to begin with? Why not just say "the heavens"

 without any number since this is anyway beyond our comprehension? The god could have also created 5 or 6 or 11 heavens and not 7. Bahman would have used whatever number was mentioned to do his numerology. This is the attitude of those who are unappreciative that we can easily and empirically verify. As 74:30-31 clearly says what makes our faith stronger is not the count of 19 but it is the attitude of the unappreciative and seeing how the count is indeed an attractive temptation for them.

So if you want to question why the god created 19 guardians for hell then by the same token you have to question why the god created 7 heavens. I am not going to question all this. If I were you I wouldn't question this either since only those whose hearts have a problem would question the god's examples and as you can see, the question is useless. You will never be able to answer why the god created 19 guardians for hell no more than you will be able to answer why the god created 7 heavens. Those questions only expose a person's lack of faith in the great reading and their delusion and arrogance that everything the god created is about them.

Peace,

Ayman

JK- EXACTLY BRO and there has to be a reason for it like i just said. IF scienstists can demonstarte beyond doubt tht the no of heavens <>7 then the Quran is falsified. GOD Bless!
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2010, 03:56:46 PM »
peace,
To answer whether there is any meaning to seven universes.
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To answer some of the riddles you are aware that numbers are integral to scriptures, why were there 12 sons born to Jacob, why are there 12 signs in the zodiac and why are there 12 months in a year?  Why is a circle 360 degrees which is a multiple of 12, why did Moses die at 120 years of age, why did Jacob die at 147 (digits add to 12) and why did Aaron die at 123? If you look at a clock why does it stop at 12? 

If you look closely to the image on the left, my profile picture, you will see a geometric pattern consisting of 7 circles and an outline of a cube.   If you go to twelve three website, you will see it begins  with three geometric patterns each consisting of 7 circles and within there is, what should the first one, a hexagram, which has 12 sides, then secondly a tetrahedron which has 6 sides, I will explain, insha allah why later, then we come to the third symbol and it is a cube, which has twelve sides.   These images have eluded the geometric patterns of the Muhammadan  civilisation, and only become known during these times.

Before all else, let me tell you why the three images do not all equal the same in relation to their sides. You will know each one of the symbols is the odd one out once each so whereas the tetrahedron has 6 sides and so is the odd one out. The hexagram is also on occasion the odd one out because it is a 2D image whereas the other two, the cube and the tetrahedron are 3D.  Then the cube is also the odd one out because it is made of squares whereas the hexagram and the tetrahedron are made of triangles. 

Ayman asked why are there seven universes, well mainly because there 4 threes in twelve, and when you add 4 and 3 you get 7 and that is one of the reason why 7 is a holy or lucky number.

Why four threes? Because there are 3 attributes of God,

The Omniscient - the Knower
The Omnipotent - the Most Powerful
The Omnipresent - the Most Wise

There are 3 sciences
Chemistry (mind)
Physics (body)
Biology (soul)

There are 3 Arts
Music - hearing
art (drawing, film, photography)- seeing
writing - speaking

There are 3 Classics
Philosophy -what one knows
Linguistics - what one observes
History -  what one learns


These four sets of threes link with mind body and soul, and also an embodied in the tetrahedron which is made of 4 triangles with 3 sides each.   Just as there are 3 tenses to time, 3 dimensions to space and 3 types of particles in an atom.   Just as we witnessed the radio then the television then the internet, just as it seems that 3rd World War began with 9-11, and there are three semetic religions.

Why is sura Yusuf the 12th sura?

It goes back to the question which stops philosophy students from becoming pro or against. Could God create a rock He could not carry.

We ask what is it about the rock that would make it unbearable.

Its size. its weight or its pressure?

As is evident in the universe size is limitless, just like our hearing
And weight is infinite, just like our sight
And pressure is free, just like our speech.

This again links with three concepts mind, body and soul, with the three types of matter liquid, solid and gas.

Size is fluid
Weight is solid
pressure is gaseous

Then we know God by His attributes the three Omnis,  The Omniscient,  the Omnipotent, and the Omnipresent.

12 also becomes three when you add the individual digits.

The chaos of the mind, the causality of the body, and the will of the soul.

I hope this will be including as among one of the proofs of God.

Why did I bring this in, I think people take numbers as not evidence of the greater whole, they tend to focus on a particulars.,   They do not recognise like Galileo said,  'God created the universe on mathematics'.

These are specific numbers not random numbers, and Mr 6619, I do not like that name brother, it is almost Satanic. 

Insha allah may God guide us to the right path. 

Have you come across the proof concerning the witness among the Children of Israel who bore witness to the phenemona, how did that happen. I think it was Rabbi Judah the pious.

There are two ways hard road or the path of ease.
Either it is hard  as rock or easy as 123.
peace

If there was no mathematics then there would be no certainty.