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Abu Hurayrah memory VERY GOOD for hadith but NOT SO GOOD for the Quran :D

Started by WayFinder, November 20, 2009, 06:19:10 AM

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Salaamun Alaykum

I encountered the hadith which relates a funny story on judgement day and the last man to enter paradise.  The hadith has nothing important apart from the fact that it says, hypocrites also will enter Jannah while the Quran state it otherwise.  However I noticed a part at the end of the hadith which intrigued me and I quote:

QuoteBukhari - 008.076.577

Abu Huraira added: That man will be the last of the people of Paradiseto enter (Paradise).

Narrated 'Ata (while Abu Huraira was narrating): Abu Said was sitting in the company of Abu Huraira and he did not deny anything of his narration till he reached his saying: "All this and as much again therewith are for you." Then Abu Sa'id said, "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, 'This is for you and ten times as much.' " Abu Huraira said, "In my memory it is 'as much again therewith.' "

In this quote above, Abu Hurayrah does not seem to remember that each good deed will be rewarded by 10x (ten times) from Allah and even though his friend reminded him, he did not change his mind and still rely on his memory.  He had such a good memory for hadith and he related so much of them.  However, it seems that he totally missed this verse from the Quran

Quote6:160 Whoever shall come [before God] with a good deed will gain ten times the like thereof; but whoever shall come with an evil deed will be requited with no more than the like thereof; and none shall be wronged.

The Quran is clear on this issue... So, the question is, did Abu Hurayrah memorized/know the Quran??
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Peace,

I don't know about "Father of the Kitten" much, but i think this verse should be brought here:

2:261  The example of those who spend their wealth in the way of Allah is like a seed which grows seven spikes; in each spike is a hundred grains. And Allah multiplies for whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing.

Perhaps the "700x" and "multiplies" are specific to spending in the way of Allah (yunfiquwna sabiyli Allah), but still it is something more than 10x.

And then there is:

39:10  Say, "O My servants who have believed, fear your Lord. For those who do good in this world is good, and the earth of Allah is spacious. Indeed, the patient will be given their reward without account/measure."

Without measure. That, IMO, is the largest quantity of reward you can ask from Allah.


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Abu Hurairah is even cited to have erred in Hadiths themselves, and evevn accused of being untruthful/lier by Aisha...
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Abu Huraira was Muslim for less than 3 years yet he is accountable for a plenty of hadith including more than half of so called "Qodsi" hadith. One of the hadiths he says shows Allah (swt) to have bipolar personality (auzubillah):

"My mercy prevails over my wrath."

A Man of intellectual will question this hadith. Unless it is translated awfully wrong or something is wrong because Allah according to Quran is all powerful all wise, and all fair so he won't have an internal or emotional struggle like humans do.

Anyway, good top you brought up so I thought I renew this inshallah we get some answers but I personally don't trust this guy.

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Quote from: WayFinder on November 20, 2009, 06:19:10 AM

In this quote above, Abu Hurayrah does not seem to remember that each good deed will be rewarded by 10x (ten times) from Allah and even though his friend reminded him, he did not change his mind and still rely on his memory.  He had such a good memory for hadith and he related so much of them.  However, it seems that he totally missed this verse from the Quran

The Quran is clear on this issue... So, the question is, did Abu Hurayrah memorized/know the Quran??

Bold is from me  :peace:

Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet () said, "Solomon (the son of) David said, 'Tonight I will sleep with seventy ladies each of whom will conceive a child who will be a knight fighting for "Allah's Cause.' His companion said, 'If Allah will.' But Solomon did not say so; therefore none of those women got pregnant except one who gave birth to a half child." The Prophet () further said, "If the Prophet () Solomon had said it (i.e. 'If Allah will') he would have begotten children who would have fought in Allah's Cause." Shuaib and Ibn Abi Az-Zinad said, "Ninety (women) is more correct (than seventy).
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 3424
In-book reference    : Book 60, Hadith 96
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 635

Narrated Abu Huraira:
(The Prophet () ) Solomon son of (the Prophet () ) David said, "Tonight I will go round (i.e. have sexual relations with) one hundred women (my wives) everyone of whom will deliver a male child who will fight in Allah's Cause." On that an Angel said to him, "Say: 'If Allah will.' " But Solomon did not say it and forgot to say it. Then he had sexual relations with them but none of them delivered any child except one who delivered a half person. The Prophet () said, "If Solomon had said: 'If Allah will,' Allah would have fulfilled his (above) desire and that saying would have made him more hopeful."
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 5242
In-book reference    : Book 67, Hadith 175
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 169

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger () said, "(The Prophet () ) Solomon once said, 'Tonight I will sleep with ninety women, each of whom will bring forth a (would-be) cavalier who will fight in Allah's Cause." On this, his companion said to him, "Say: Allah willing!" But he did not say Allah willing. Solomon then slept with all the women, but none of them became pregnant but one woman who later delivered a halfman. By Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is, if he (Solomon) had said, 'Allah willing' (all his wives would have brought forth boys) and they would have fought in Allah's Cause as cavaliers. "
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 6639
In-book reference    : Book 83, Hadith 18
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 8, Book 78, Hadith 634

Narrated Abu Huraira:
(The Prophet () ) Solomon said, "Tonight I will sleep with (my) ninety wives, each of whom will get a male child who will fight for Allah's Cause." On that, his companion (Sufyan said that his companion was an angel) said to him, "Say, "If Allah will (Allah willing)." But Solomon forgot (to say it). He slept with all his wives, but none of the women gave birth to a child, except one who gave birth to a halfboy. Abu Huraira added: The Prophet () said, "If Solomon had said, "If Allah will" (Allah willing), he would not have been unsuccessful in his action, and would have attained what he had desired." Once Abu Huraira added: Allah apostle said, "If he had accepted."
Reference    : Sahih al-Bukhari 6720
In-book reference    : Book 84, Hadith 13
USC-MSA web (English) reference    : Vol. 8, Book 79, Hadith 711


The judgment of Soloman
1 Kings
3:16 Then came there two women, that were harlots, unto the king, and stood before him.

17 And the one woman said, O my lord, I and this woman dwell in one house; and I was delivered of a child with her in the house.

18 And it came to pass the third day after that I was delivered, that this woman was delivered also: and we were together; there was no stranger with us in the house, save we two in the house.

19 And this woman's child died in the night; because she overlaid it.

20 And she arose at midnight, and took my son from beside me, while thine handmaid slept, and laid it in her bosom, and laid her dead child in my bosom.

21 And when I rose in the morning to give my child suck, behold, it was dead: but when I had considered it in the morning, behold, it was not my son, which I did bear.

22 And the other woman said, Nay; but the living is my son, and the dead is thy son. And this said, No; but the dead is thy son, and the living is my son. Thus they spake before the king.

23 Then said the king, The one saith, This is my son that liveth, and thy son is the dead: and the other saith, Nay; but thy son is the dead, and my son is the living.

24 And the king said, Bring me a sword. And they brought a sword before the king.

25 And the king said, Divide the living child in two, and give half to the one, and half to the other.

26 Then spake the woman whose the living child was unto the king, for her bowels yearned upon her son, and she said, O my lord, give her the living child, and in no wise slay it. But the other said, Let it be neither mine nor thine, but divide it.

27 Then the king answered and said, Give her the living child, and in no wise slay it: she is the mother thereof.


Great memory - NOT.

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PS the King in the above is King Soloman
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Guide us to the straight path,
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Not of those who have incurred Your wrath,
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Aamer

What are you guys trying to say? That we should NOT kill all the dogs in the world and we should NOT base all our religious practices and beliefs on the narrations of a man named "Father of the Kitten"???
If it ain't in the Quran... It ain't relevant to our salvation.

Student of Allah

Shalom Aleikhem,

Quote from: Aamer on January 11, 2013, 09:10:23 PM
What are you guys trying to say? That we should NOT kill all the dogs in the world and we should NOT base all our religious practices and beliefs on the narrations of a man named "Father of the Kitten"???

Let me add to that the fact that nobody knows his real name, not to mention that they called him by a derogatory nickname !! Must have been a well reputed and respected VIP.


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es

Quote from: Student of Allah on January 14, 2013, 01:11:10 PM
Let me add to that the fact that nobody knows his real name......

"His name at birth was Abd al-Shams (servant of the sun). "


....from that very well respected source of "Wikipedia"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hurairah

Student of Allah

Quote from: es on January 14, 2013, 01:55:38 PM
"His name at birth was Abd al-Shams (servant of the sun). "


....from that very well respected source of "Wikipedia"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hurairah

Shalom Aleikhem,

First of all, I am surprised that after all these years, someone gave me his real name from "wikipedia"  :o

But then I realized that you forgot something important, here is the quote from wikipedia (check out my annotation for the part underlined in red) :




I guess thats enough to get my point across. :)


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es

Look, forget citations, who needs citations, when you have the wisdom of "Wikipedia"!    :ignore: