Belief in AlQuran

[abdalquran]

Whoever, in time and space, notwithstanding by what name they were known and famous in their respective periods, will qualify if they had followed the Book of their period. Today the prevalent Book of Allah is ONLY Grand Qur'aan which affirms and sanctifies the Books sent earlier in time and space.

Mazhar, I cannot understand you read ?A? and come up with ?B?. There?s no ?book of the period? in any of the ayaat you quoted. 2/38 for examples speaks of kalimaat/words which will redeem Adam.

As for the only prevalent book of Allah, would God be fair entire mankind on their acceptance or rejection of the Quran as a text (not reject its teachings but the text itself)? Some people were born never even knowing Quran and God is gonna chuck them into hell for that?! Others were shown the horrible example of Muslims (blowing up stuff while holding the Quran yelling Allahu akbar!)? Sorry man, that doesn?t tally at all. Quran is the best source of guidance, it?s never the only source of guidance.

[progressive1993]

Many people are of the opinion lots of people can be ‘muslim’ (not that i disagree) how are you defining the term muslim?

Another thing, IF the purpose of Quran is a guidance “ya ayuha allathina aminou” is a common phrase you will see, addressing those who believe so who is that? (the ones that aminou (look at chapter 49 for example) the ‘muslims’? the believers of the Quran or what? The guidance seems to implicate commandments however I know people are of the belief Quran isn’t needed.

2:62 Surely those who have trust/assurance/freedom of doubt in their heart/mind (al mumineen), and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

Pay attention to the "and".

41:33 Who can be better in speech than one who invites to God, and does reforms, and says: "I am one of those who have peacefully surrendered (al muslimeen)."

Mumins uphold the book, so they uphold the salat/bond, bring forth the development/betterment/zakat, strive with their money and lives in the cause of God, etc.

A muslim is one who has trust in/acknwoledge God, the last day/heareafter and does reform/righteous deeds.

41:33 Who is better in saying than one who invites to God, and does good works, and says: "I am one of those who have peacefully surrendered."

What’s the point in following it if it’s not needed? If you can be a Muslim without it? Does being muslim give you jannah?

8:2 The mumins are those whom, when God is mentioned, their hearts tremble; when His signs are recited to them, it strengthens their acknowledgement; and they put their trust in their Lord.

8:3 They uphold the bond, and from Our provisions to them they spend.

8:4 These are the true mumins; they will have high ranks at their Lord, forgiveness, and a generous provision.

Also the term kafir comes to mind. If a person comes across Quran reads/studies it yet rejects it does that not make them a kafir? Yet what if that person believed in God? Doesn’t that make them a muslim?

A kafir is one who conceals the truth/is ungrateful. There isnt really a thing such as "apostasy" or "conversion" as understood in the classical sense in islam. We must never forget that God is the most compassionate/merciful. Furthermore, a muslim, as explained above, is not one who (needs) to uphold the Quran/reading.

2:109 – aren’t ahl alkitab believers? Some are mushrikeen but there are believers so if a believer of God is simply a muslim then it's really not much??

Anyone who sets up partners with God is a mushrik. It makes no difference if the person calls himself/herself "Sunni", "Jewish", "Muslim" or anything else.

Sorry if it sounds disjointed random thoughts going through my head

We should always seek knowledge and clarification/verification (17:36, 39:18, 12:114).

[progressive1993]

Just a few questions:

1. Muslim means submitter to God? If that is true then I agree with you that anyone who submits to God is Muslim

2. If someone lives their life according to the Quran but never reads it, are they wrong?

3. I do not know what jannah means, but why would it be restricted to Muslims (in the narrower meaning of the word)?

4. Many people (including myself) read the Quran and do not reject it, yet I have not converted to Islam. Am I still a kaffir?

5. How can someone who believes in God be an "unbeliever" just because they are in a different religion?

Once again, just a few random thoughts.

1. Explained in my previous post. It is simply someone who trusts in/acknowledges God, does righteous deeds/reform and believes in the hereafter.

2. "We made the Quran easy to learn. Do any of you wish to learn?" (54:17, 54:22, 54:32, 54:40)

5:65 If the people of the book only would have acknowledged and been aware, We would have cancelled for them their sins and admitted them to gardens of paradise.

5:66 If they had upheld the Torah, the Injeel, and what was sent down to them from their Lord (Quran), they would have been rewarded from above them and below their feet. From among them is a pious nation, but many of them commit evil.

3. "Jannah" means "hidden garden/garden". It is open to all muslims (see definition above).

4. One doesnt "convert" to islam be uttering some magic Arabic words. You are already a muslim, IMO, since you acknowledge God, the last day/hereafter and you (probably) engage in righteous deeds/reform.

5. 2:62 Surely those who acknowledge, and those who are Jewish, and the Nazarenes, and those who follow other religions, any one of them who acknowledge God and the Last day, and do reform, they will have their reward with their Lord, with no fear over them, nor will they grieve.

[Mazhar]

Quote from: Mazhar on Yesterday at 02:33:50 PM
Whoever, in time and space, notwithstanding by what name they were known and famous in their respective periods, will qualify if they had followed the Book of their period. Today the prevalent Book of Allah is ONLY Grand Qur'aan which affirms and sanctifies the Books sent earlier in time and space.


Mazhar, I cannot understand you read ?A? and come up with ?B?. There?s no ?book of the period? in any of the ayaat you quoted. 2/38 for examples speaks of kalimaat/words which will redeem Adam.

As for the only prevalent book of Allah, would God be fair entire mankind on their acceptance or rejection of the Quran as a text (not reject its teachings but the text itself)? Some people were born never even knowing Quran and God is gonna chuck them into hell for that?! Others were shown the horrible example of Muslims (blowing up stuff while holding the Quran yelling Allahu akbar!)? Sorry man, that doesn?t tally at all. Quran is the best source of guidance, it?s never the only source of guidance.[abdulquran]

Let us not wander in the whole universe. We are not concerned about those who never even know the existence of Qur'aan. All reference quoted were in connection with a specific understanding of a friend on the forum, responding Rev John's point:
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Many people (including myself) read the Quran and do not reject it, yet I have not converted to Islam. Am I still a kaffir?

The basic and fundamental obligation of a reader of a book is to either reject the stuff contained in it or accept it. One cannot do the two things simulteneously, neither he rejects it nor he accepts it. This will only reflect one is in state of perplexity, confusion, is indecisive.

For every moment in time there is a book:

لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتَابٌ
For each and every moment/period there is a Book.

And ever since the arrival of Qur'aan this is the Book for the entire humanity till the Last Day. Whomever Qur'aan reaches he has to decide whether he accepts it and becomes believer or opts to refuse/reject it and become Kafir, one who denies.

[Rev.John]

Let us not wander in the whole universe. We are not concerned about those who never even know the existence of Qur'aan. All reference quoted were in connection with a specific understanding of a friend on the forum, responding Rev John's point:
.
The basic and fundamental obligation of a reader of a book is to either reject the stuff contained in it or accept it. One cannot do the two things simulteneously, neither he rejects it nor he accepts it. This will only reflect one is in state of perplexity, confusion, is indecisive.

For every moment in time there is a book:

لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتَابٌ
For each and every moment/period there is a Book.

And ever since the arrival of Qur'aan this is the Book for the entire humanity till the Last Day. Whomever Qur'aan reaches he has to decide whether he accepts it and becomes believer or opts to refuse/reject it and become Kafir, one who denies.

I don't think there is anything in the Quran to reject.

[nsws1988]

I don't think there is anything in the Quran to reject.

how about the commandments and prohibitions?

[Rev.John]

how about the commandments and prohibitions?

Most if not all are contained in the bible too

[nsws1988]

Most if not all are contained in the bible too

If you accept them and accept that they are orders and prohibitions from God, do you follow them?

[Mazhar]

I don't think there is anything in the Quran to reject.

When one arrives at this conclusion about any book, it becomes an obligation that he should wholeheartedly accept the verdict of the Book and pronounce his belief loudly and clearly and then physically follow its advises in different moments of his life. If this is not the reaction then one is like those who read books only for fun and killing time.

[Rev.John]

If you accept them and accept that they are orders and prohibitions from God, do you follow them?

I do my best, but as a human being, I fail sometimes