Dear TF,
i assume its to be different cause goong through variois posts on this forum i see that people debate every single thing and change everything from prayer no being prostration to satan being the human mind and not an entety enemy to mankind to masjid Al Haram not physical to gog & magog being nuclear energy to ramadan being only some days etc etc
This forum is over a decade old. I'm sure you'll find lots of stuff from the many people that have come through. This website is open to all ideas as long as they can be backed-up with some Quranic reference - we do not mock anyone's ideas as long as the discussion is civilized and polite.
After all, what made the early Muslims go from simple nomads and farmers to become the leaders of the world in science, astronomy, mathematics, etc. was their understanding that the Quran removed all shackles from the mind and allowed them to imagine and strive...
i am not saying you said prayer is not physical i was just replying to the posts i have seen on other threads on the forum and i am only giving my opinion that it is physical. if it were not physical, why would we be told by The God to do wudu when we rise to prayer in chapter 5, verse 6
I would venture that the people who said that were finding 9:5 difficult to reconcile. After all, when we study the Quran, we need to take ALL verses on any particular subject into account, else the conclusion will be flawed.
For example: the Sunnis rely heavily on "obey God and obey the messenger" to advocate for the credibility of Hadith as a form of law (Quran is God, Hadith is the messenger)...Yet, had they done the job of collecting all verses/data on the subject, then they would have seen that the Quran qualifies the statement later on by saying "whoever has obeyed the messenger has obeyed God" (4:80), meaning that God & the messenger in the area of obedience are not mutually exclusive.
for “limited number of days”, well i read that part as “fixed number of days” and not limited. also limited does not mean anything btw. and let us assume it is limited, well limited number of days meaning limited to one month perhaps? it is quite clear that He tells us the Quran was sent in the month of ramadan and we should fast IT. it is a fixed number of days. nothing to do with traditions as i dont believe in traditions (including circumcision, slaughtering of sheep for 3eid etc etc naa i dont believe in that)
Ayaam Madoodat = Limited Days (see its use in 2:80, 2:184, 2:203, 3:24).
The word "madooda" is used in Arabic to typically denote a number from 3-10 and no more. As you can see, the pilgrimage of 3 days in 2:203 uses the same exact terminology as 2:184.
Before you fast forward to 2:185 which speaks of the month of Ramadhan, ask yourself: what is the fast that the previous people of the Book have been upholding or exists in their books as God says it does?
Have you ever heard of a 30 day fast with the Jews or Christians?
Do they have a 3-10 day fast that they upheld in the past?
Anyway, the subject is not to turn this thread into a discussion on fasting...It is merely to point out that you are rushing to conclusions (wrong ones) without using 17:36.
Even when the Quran was revealed, God tells the Prophet "not to hasten his tongue with it" because it is God who will explain it (75:16-19)
yes i assumed it is the same. The God tells abraham that people will come there from everywhere and to take care of the place for people who will to come to it and pray (ch 22, v26) and in chaoter 2, verse 196 i understood that pilgrimage is fo masjid Al Haram. so as abraham was told people will come form everywhere and then we are told about hajj and mention of masjid Al Haram in ch2 v196, yeah for me they are the same. for me the restricted temple is the house built by anraham and ishamel. unless pilgrimage is to masjid Al Haram and al bayt is just extra (which i doubt) look at surah 106 where we are told people will travel in winter snd summer snd to let them worship the Lord of “this house” so in my understanding they are the same and hajj is in winter and summer
The pilgrimage is to the House (Al-Bayt). The Masjid (whether the restricted Temple or any other Temple) is either another construct or the area surrounding the Bayt/House.
maybe i am wrong. well maybe you are wrong and misguiding by saying things for example that ramadan is only ten days and laylat al Qadr is in winter (you assume too much in saying that btw) others who claim salat is not physical also misguide. so what does misguide mean? should we not share our opinions?
Why have you been given eyes, ears, and a mind if you will surrender them to others whom the devil may have misguided?
Would you rather stand before God having followed people who were misguided, or, would you rather stand before God having done your own research and thought process and only upheld what you were comfortable having verified?
"The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence." (39:18)
