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Started by Abdun Nur, September 09, 2009, 05:17:23 AM

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Abdun Nur

Salaam,

the foundation of Islam is this statement, There is No God, why then do Muslims continue to express belief in a God, have they failed to grasp the concept of God; Allah has no problem with the concept of God, and Allah has asked every Muslim to understand There is No God, before understanding any other idea, the very foundation of Islam, and this foundation is not understood.

If you would like to understand the foundation of Islam, and have a few minutes to spare to remove the Shirk of God, please have a read of the essay in the link below.

http://servantofthelight.com/content/view/7/1/

Wakas

God bears witness that there is no god but He, as do the controllers, and those with knowledge, He is standing with justice. There is no god but Him, the Noble, the Wise. [3:18]
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Elke

your link is very interesting and expresses a lot of ideas i share. One thing though : your second part of shahada as "wa mohamed rassulu laa". As far as i know it does not exist in quran


a link to a shahada discussion

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=10906.15

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Rev.John

Quote from: Wakas on September 09, 2009, 08:17:06 AM
God bears witness that there is no god but He, as do the controllers, and those with knowledge, He is standing with justice. There is no god but Him, the Noble, the Wise. [3:18]
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progressive1993

The word 'Allah' is composed of/is a contraction of 'al' and 'illah'

al = the
illah = God

So literally, 'Allah' means 'the God'.

God bears witness (shahida Allahu) that (annahu) there is no god but He (la illaha illa huwa), as do the controllers and those with knowledge.He is standing with justice. There is no god but Him, the Noble, the Wise. (3:18)

10:41 If they deny you, say: "My works are for me, and your works are for you. You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do."

Abdun Nur

Salaam Elke,

I agree with you the second part of the Shahada is not really anything to do with the Shahada, Muhammad would never have said the second part, it would have been added afterwards, so it has no relevance in truth, as you point out, I could remove the reference to it altogether but it is the commonly recognised form.

If this was the only small point you found wrong, and we can agree on this also, you maybe interested in reading other concepts presented within the servant of the light.

Salaam Progressive1993,

the point you raise is well explained within the essay, did you not read the essay in full?

?Allah is really not a word. It is combination of words, or in English part of a sentence. The issue is how Arabic script was written. Common belief is that Arabic script is written as cursive.

The English language is Cursive, however, in English word separation is indicated by space. In contrast Arabic script can join words, but uses certain signs to indicate word separation. These are called Jezm and Sukoon:
Gezm is used to indicated declinable words attached to other words.
Sukoon indicates a non Mutherick consonant in a non-declinable word.

Words can be joined together as well. This joining is indicated by Teshdeed. This is the case with Allah.? Dr Badar Kanwar

I will explain why Allah is not God, as a shortened concept.

A God is an outside force, a personification that controls the universe, so requires outside of yourself worship, and demonstrates absolutely no physical evidence so requires blind faith, this God is the Christian, Jewish model, nothing to do with Islam.

Allah or not God emanates every atom of creation, from the inside out, this means you can only transform yourself from the inside out, so worshipping outside of yourself would be pointless, praying would be pointless, as Allah is closer than your jugular vein, there is no separation.

To understand the true nature of Allah, read ?Supreme Existence?, and ?Transfinite Consciousness?, posted on servant of the light.

Rev.John

Quote from: Abdun Nur on September 09, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
Salaam Elke,

I agree with you the second part of the Shahada is not really anything to do with the Shahada, Muhammad would never have said the second part, it would have been added afterwards, so it has no relevance in truth, as you point out, I could remove the reference to it altogether but it is the commonly recognised form.

If this was the only small point you found wrong, and we can agree on this also, you maybe interested in reading other concepts presented within the servant of the light.

Salaam Progressive1993,

the point you raise is well explained within the essay, did you not read the essay in full?

?Allah is really not a word. It is combination of words, or in English part of a sentence. The issue is how Arabic script was written. Common belief is that Arabic script is written as cursive.

The English language is Cursive, however, in English word separation is indicated by space. In contrast Arabic script can join words, but uses certain signs to indicate word separation. These are called Jezm and Sukoon:
Gezm is used to indicated declinable words attached to other words.
Sukoon indicates a non Mutherick consonant in a non-declinable word.

Words can be joined together as well. This joining is indicated by Teshdeed. This is the case with Allah.? Dr Badar Kanwar

I will explain why Allah is not God, as a shortened concept.

A God is an outside force, a personification that controls the universe, so requires outside of yourself worship, and demonstrates absolutely no physical evidence so requires blind faith, this God is the Christian, Jewish model, nothing to do with Islam.

Allah or not God emanates every atom of creation, from the inside out, this means you can only transform yourself from the inside out, so worshipping outside of yourself would be pointless, praying would be pointless, as Allah is closer than your jugular vein, there is no separation.

To understand the true nature of Allah, read ?Supreme Existence?, and ?Transfinite Consciousness?, posted on servant of the light.

God is Allah and Allah is God, our perceptions may be different but that is a human failing
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progressive1993

Quote from: Abdun Nur on September 09, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
the point you raise is well explained within the essay, did you not read the essay in full?

Reading your essay = agreeing with your view

To me, 'Allah' = 'the God', or simply 'God'.


Quote from: Abdun Nur on September 09, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
A God is an outside force, a personification that controls the universe, so requires outside of yourself worship, and demonstrates absolutely no physical evidence so requires blind faith, this God is the Christian, Jewish model, nothing to do with Islam.

You are right about the blind faith. God doesnt need anything - it is we who are in need to keep the salat and pray to God. Just because God is not like many traditionalists believe Him to be like, it doesnt mean that He is something way, way... different from what traditionalists think.

Quote from: Abdun Nur on September 09, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
Allah or not God emanates every atom of creation, from the inside out, this means you can only transform yourself from the inside out, so worshipping outside of yourself would be pointless, praying would be pointless, as Allah is closer than your jugular vein, there is no separation.

I think you take 'Allah is closer to you than your jugular veins' too literally. Allah knows what is in our hearts/minds/brains. He knows our innermost thoughts and our intentions. He is 'closer to us than our jugular veins', due to his knowledge.

Quote from: Abdun Nur on September 09, 2009, 12:57:37 PM
To understand the true nature of Allah, read ‘Supreme Existence’, and ‘Transfinite Consciousness’, posted on servant of the light.

Your view/concept of Allah is interesting - I might have a look at those.

:peace:
10:41 If they deny you, say: "My works are for me, and your works are for you. You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do."

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Meteora

There are also many false facts in the hadith about God, like he will expose his leg to the muslims on the day of days, lol.
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