Beating wife theory is negated by Qur'aan=4:34

[MUNZIR ALI]

It would appear that you are as different from "main stream" Muslims as I am from "main stream" Christians. I'm glad I found you all.

I glad I found a christian who believes in one god and founded a non trinitian church 

[Rev.John]

Most Christians believe in one God, they just get a little confused with this trinity thing (which, of course was not in the early Christian Church, was put there by the Church of Rome about 900 years ago)

[Wakas]

peace QS,

It is 1st column on left, middle.

[Q_student]

peace QS,

It is 1st column on left, middle.

Peace Brother
First of all I thank you for the help. But this meaning of "Prevention or Prohibition" is not that of "ضرب" but of " ضرب على يده " which has meaning of "He struck his hand" but figuratively it has two meanings
1:He struck a bargain
2:He prevented him

If the Quranic verse would have been واضربواعلى ايديهن " then this translation would have been absolutely perfect.This is an idiomatic expression and The Quran is NOT USING IT IN THE DISPUTED VERSE MEANINGS.
Regards

[Samia]

"The book of the 3ain" by al Khaleel ibn Ahmad, the first classical dictionary, gives these meanings for the word "dharaba" (sorry, in Arabic). Inerestingly, none means "to strike"; some mean, indirectly: to strike with a sword:

?ضرب:
الضَّرْبُ يقَع على جميع الأعمال، ضَرْب في التجارةِ، وفي الأرض، وفي سبيل اللهِ، يصِفُ ذَهابَهم وأَخْذَهم فيه.
وضَرَبَ يَدَه الى كذا، وضَرَبَ فلانٌ على يَدِ فلانٍ: حَبَسَ عليه أمراً أَخَذَ فيه وأراده، ومعناه: حَجَرَ عليه.
والطَّيْرُ الضَّوارِبُ: المُخْتَرِقاتُ الأرضِ، الطّالباتُ الرِّزقِ.
وضَرَبَ الدَّهْرُ من ضَرَباته أي كانَ كذا وكذا.
وضَرَبَتِ المَخاضُ اذا شالَتْ بأذنابها ثم ضَرَبت بها فُروجَها ومَشَتْ فهي ضَوارِبُ.
والفَحْلُ من الإبِل ييضربُ الشَّوْلَ ضِراباً، وصاحبُها أَضْرَبَها الفَحْلَ.
وأضْرَبَ الرِّيحُ والبَرْدَ النَّباتَ إِضراباً هكذا تقول العَرَبُ. وضَرِبَ النَّباتُ ضَرَباً فهو ضَرِبٌ إذا أضّر به البردُ.
وأضْرَبَتِ السَّمائِمُ الماءَ اذا أَنْشَفَتْه حتى تُسقِيَه الأرض.
وأَضْرَبَ فلانٌ عن كذا أي كَفَّ، وأنشد:
أصَبْحتُ عن طَلَب المعيشةِ مُضرِباً      لما وَثِقْتُ بأن مـالَـكَ مـالـي
ورجلٌ مِضْرَبٌ: شديدُ الضَّرْب.
وضريبُ القِداحِ: هو المُوَكَّل بها.
والضَّرْبُ: النَّحْوُ والصِّنْفُ، يقال: هذا ضَرْبُ ذاكَ وضَريبُ ذاكَ أي مِثلُه، قال: وما رأينا في الأنامِ ضَرْبا ضَرْبَكَ إِلاّ حاتِماً وكَعْبا والضَّرَبُ: العَسَلُ الخالِصُ.
والضَّرْبُ: الرجلُ الخفيفُ اللَّحْم، ليس بجَسيمٍ، قالَ طَرَفةُ:
أنا الرجُلُ الضَّرْبُ الذي تعرفونه      خَشاشٌ كرأسِ الحَيَّةِ المُتَـوَقِّـدِ
والاضطِرابُ: تَضَرّبُ الوَلَدِ في البَطْن.
ويقال: اضْطَرَبَ الحَبْلُ بينَ القَوْمِ اذا اختَلَفَتْ كَلِمتُهم.
ورجلٌ مُضطربُ الخَلْق: طويلٌ، غير شديد الأسْرِ.
والضَريبُ: الصَّقيعُ.
والضَّريبُ: النَّظيرُ، والضَّريب: المَضروبُ.
والضَّريبُ من اللَّبَن اذا خُلِطَ المَخْضُ بالحَقين.
والضَّريبُ: الشَّهْدُ.
والضَّريب: البَطينُ من النّاس وغيرهم.
والضَّريبةُ: الطَّبيعةُ، يقال: إِنّه لكريمُ الضَّرائبِ.
والضَّريبةُ: غَلَّةٌ تُضْرَبُ على العَبْد.
والضَّريبةُ: كلُّ شيءٍ ضَرَبتَه بسيفِكَ من حَيٍّ أو مَيِّتٍ، وانشَدَ لجرير:
واذا هَزَزْتَ ضَريبةً قَطَّعتَها      فمضَيتَ لا كَزِماً ولا مَبْهورا
والضَّريبةُ: مَضْرِبُ السَّيْف.
والضَّريبة: الصُّوفُ يُضْرَبُ بالمِطرَق.
والمُضْرِب: المُقيم في البيت، يقال: أضْرَبَ فلانٌ في بيته، أي أقامَ فيه.
ويقال: أَضْرَبَ خُبْزُ المَلَّةِ فو مُضْرِب اذا نضِجَ وآن له أن يُضْرَبَ بالعَصَا ويُنْفَضَ عنه رَمادُه وترابُه، قال ذو الرمة يصف خُبْزَةً:
ومَضرُوبةٍ في غير ذنْـبٍ بَـريئةٍ      كَسَرتُ لأصحابي على عَجَل كَسْرا
والضّارِبُ: السابحُ في الماء، وقال ذو الرمُةِ: كأنني ضارِبٌ في غَمْرةٍ لَجِبُ والضَّرائبُ: ضَرائب الأَرَضِينَ في وَظائفِ الخَراج عليها.
والضاربُ: الوادي الكثير الشَّجَر، يقال: عليك بذلك الضارب فانزِلْهُ، وأنشَدَ:
لعمرُكَ إِنّ البيتَ بالضّارِبِ الذي      رأيتَ وإِنْ لم آتِه لـيَ شـائِقُ

[Rami]

Peace,

In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.

Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.

If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.

To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.

Peace,

Rami

[Wakas]

peace QS,

I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 4:34.

I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.

Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary? What I have personally noticed on this topic is the shocking lack of information there is from Classical Arabic dictionaries in the articles for those who advocate "beat" or even "strike".

[Mazhar]

Those who think and practically beat blatently disobey the Command of Allah and stand included in those who believe in some part of the Book and disbelieve in some other part.


يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا إِنَّ مِنْ أَزْوَاجِكُمْ وَأَوْلَادِكُمْ عَدُوًّا لَّكُمْ فَاحْذَرُوهُمْ وَإِن تَعْفُوا وَتَصْفَحُوا وَتَغْفِرُوا فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ

This is the ONLY place where these three words have been used together.

[Elke]

Peace,

In marriage, a women must obey her husband in all marital issues in exchange to the gift and caretaking done by the husband. He has the upper hand.

Nushuz means total rebellion and disregard of the husband. Nushuz doesn't come immediately but in stages.

If you fear your wife is going to a state of nushuz, you must act, otherwise, she will disregard you completely ie. Nushuz.

To avoid nushuz, doing the three steps including beating, the final and corporeal punishment, is enough to avoid nushuz.


Peace,

Rami

and if by any chance the man is not the "caretaker and provider" or not the only one, then what ? they can't be muslims ?
i wont even mention the rest

[Q_student]

peace QS,

I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 4:34.

I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.

Perhaps you can help out with something. Are there any examples of beat or strike by a human against another human in which no additional clarifying words or prepositions are used in any Classical Arabic dictionary? What I have personally noticed on this topic is the shocking lack of information there is from Classical Arabic dictionaries in the articles for those who advocate "beat" or even "strike".

Dear Brother
You said

peace QS,

I never said this is the meaning of DRB in 4:34.

True you never said but you did not object TS to attach meanings of an idiom to the verb when I asked for reference.
You said :

I am hesitant of coupling meanings to prepositions in the sense that it cannot mean anything else but XYZ with this preposition, but we can add notes to various meanings in PRL, as it is a work in progress. I have made a note of it.

That is your own opinion and you have all to right to own it. But any language treats verbs and their idiom  differently."To break " and "to break out" cannot be treated similarly in English as far as meanings are concerned.

Regards