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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2009, 12:11:51 PM »
Peace

Aha, thanks for that.

But what about today's Jews? Would the verse I gave in my last post apply to them?

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Remember that God is inviting the Jews to abide by the the Quran. And remember that the Quran sometimes supersedes the previous scriptures (Gospels and Torah).

I also think that these were the original prohibitons, but it might not be the case.


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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2009, 12:43:31 PM »
Remember that God is inviting the Jews to abide by the the Quran. And remember that the Quran sometimes supersedes the previous scriptures (Gospels and Torah).

I also think that these were the original prohibitons, but it might not be the case.


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Dear Progressive
May I ask you how do you include "brain" in "meat". Brain is a different tissue than "flesh " which is muscular tissue.
Flesh i.e muscular tissue has the property to conctract.Have you ever seen brain "contracting and relaxing" like flesh ????
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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2009, 12:59:43 PM »
Dear Progressive
May I ask you how do you include "brain" in "meat". Brain is a different tissue than "flesh " which is muscular tissue.
Flesh i.e muscular tissue has the property to conctract.Have you ever seen brain "contracting and relaxing" like flesh ????
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He just replied in his earlier post that when presented to a person, he will surely ask what is it before he eats it... A logic which do not stand at all as the for someone to question or not lies 100% in the discretion of the person and is not a generality.

On the other hand, if we take the BRAIN to be among the entrails, then again, according to progressive, it becomes lawful to consume it as there is no TEXTUAL prohibition on the entrails of the pig...

@progressive.

How would you reconcile the verse on the LAHM TWARIYAN? The fish from rivers and seas... Its pointless to discuss the minute precision emplyed in the Quran as both me and you are convince on that.  The point is reconciliating all the verses and harmonize them... If you can look again, that would be very good.  We know that Allah does not lack words.. the work fish has been used in the Quran as HOOT... however, why did Allah used the word LAHM and not hoot?

To give you a clue, we do not get only fish from the sea but sea cucumbers as well...

The issue is a bit intriguing, however we can come to a concensus God willing...

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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2009, 01:24:16 PM »
He just replied in his earlier post that when presented to a person, he will surely ask what is it before he eats it... A logic which do not stand at all as the for someone to question or not lies 100% in the discretion of the person and is not a generality.

On the other hand, if we take the BRAIN to be among the entrails, then again, according to progressive, it becomes lawful to consume it as there is no TEXTUAL prohibition on the entrails of the pig...

@progressive.

How would you reconcile the verse on the LAHM TWARIYAN? The fish from rivers and seas... Its pointless to discuss the minute precision emplyed in the Quran as both me and you are convince on that.  The point is reconciliating all the verses and harmonize them... If you can look again, that would be very good.  We know that Allah does not lack words.. the work fish has been used in the Quran as HOOT... however, why did Allah used the word LAHM and not hoot?

To give you a clue, we do not get only fish from the sea but sea cucumbers as well...

The issue is a bit intriguing, however we can come to a concensus God willing...

Wassalaam
Peace
Brain cannot be included in flesh through any parameter.Embryologically ,Physiologically ,histologically,or Linguisitically ,the brain is a different thing from  the flesh.
He should not put them together.
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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2009, 01:29:39 PM »
Peace
Brain cannot be included in flesh through any parameter.Embryologically ,Physiologically ,histologically,or Linguisitically ,the brain is a different thing from  the flesh.
He should not put them together.
Regards

I agree on this too.
3:7 He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2009, 03:11:57 PM »
He just replied in his earlier post that when presented to a person, he will surely ask what is it before he eats it... A logic which do not stand at all as the for someone to question or not lies 100% in the discretion of the person and is not a generality.

On the other hand, if we take the BRAIN to be among the entrails, then again, according to progressive, it becomes lawful to consume it as there is no TEXTUAL prohibition on the entrails of the pig...

@progressive.

How would you reconcile the verse on the LAHM TWARIYAN? The fish from rivers and seas... Its pointless to discuss the minute precision emplyed in the Quran as both me and you are convince on that.  The point is reconciliating all the verses and harmonize them... If you can look again, that would be very good.  We know that Allah does not lack words.. the work fish has been used in the Quran as HOOT... however, why did Allah used the word LAHM and not hoot?

To give you a clue, we do not get only fish from the sea but sea cucumbers as well...

The issue is a bit intriguing, however we can come to a concensus God willing...

Wassalaam

What's "lahm twariyan"? Which verse do you mean?
10:41 If they deny you, say: "My works are for me, and your works are for you. You are innocent of what I do, and I am innocent of what you do."

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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2009, 03:10:36 AM »
What's "lahm twariyan"? Which verse do you mean?

Peace. Sorry for late reply and short on words. I am currently on mobile. You can find LAHM TWARIYAN mentioned in two verses of the quran at 16:14 and 35:12

To outline my point on this. We do not get only pure flesh that we eat from rivers and seas. I mean these animals also got entrails and so on.  We do eat the eggs of fishes which are often found inside them. There is also the famous and well known CAVIAR! And its not flesh but the eggs which are found inside the fish.  If LAHM TWARIYAN would mean only sure flesh and muscle tissue, then eggs, entrails etc would become unlawful for eating which is not the case.

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3:7 He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say: We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding.

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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2009, 03:14:32 AM »
Peace. Sorry for late reply and short on words. I am currently on mobile. You can find LAHM TWARIYAN mentioned in two verses of the quran at 16:14 and 35:12

To outline my point on this. We do not get only pure flesh that we eat from rivers and seas. I mean these animals also got entrails and so on.  We do eat the eggs of fishes which are often found inside them. There is also the famous and well known CAVIAR! And its not flesh but the eggs which are found inside the fish.  If LAHM TWARIYAN would mean only sure flesh and muscle tissue, then eggs, entrails etc would become unlawful for eating which is not the case.

May Allah guide us all.

16:14 Wahuwa allathee sakhkhara albahralita/kuloo minhu lahman tariyyan watastakhrijoominhu hilyatan talbasoonaha watara alfulkamawakhira feehi walitabtaghoo min fadlihiwalaAAallakum tashkuroona

16:14 He is the One who committed the sea, that you may eat from it tender meat, and that you may extract from it pearls that you wear. You see the ships flowing through it, so that you may seek from His bounty, and that you may be thankful.


35:12 Wama yastawee albahranihatha AAathbun furatun sa-ighun sharabuhuwahatha milhun ojajun wamin kullinta/kuloona lahman tariyyan watastakhrijoona hilyatantalbasoonaha watara alfulka feehi mawakhiralitabtaghoo min fadlihi walaAAallakum tashkuroona

35:12 Nor are the two seas the same. One is fresh and palatable, good to drink, while the other is salty and bitter. From each of them you eat tender meat, and you extract jewelry to wear. You see the ships sailing through them, seeking His provisions; and perhaps you may be appreciative.


What you dont understand is that THRERE IS NO PROHIBITION IN THOSE VERSES. God says that we MAY/DO eat the flesh of fish. There is, however NO PROHIBITION. Therefore, it is unnecessary to meantion caviar.

The verses are totally different from 6:145 where it says that the meat of pigs is PROHIBITED.


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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #38 on: June 12, 2009, 07:34:36 AM »
Salam,

Gelatine made from bones and skins from animals are sterile because it is boiled in high temperature and are processed in factories to get those gelatine leaves or powder. You cannot get virus for eating gelatine but brains and flesh and blood from especially pig can contain viruses and worms etc.

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Re: Gelatin & Additives
« Reply #39 on: June 12, 2009, 08:20:10 AM »
Salam,

Gelatine made from bones and skins from animals are sterile because it is boiled in high temperature and are processed in factories to get those gelatine leaves or powder. You cannot get virus for eating gelatine but brains and flesh and blood from especially pig can contain viruses and worms etc.

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Peace,

What if pig flesh is boiled at the same high temperatures? Does it make it sterile?

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