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Started by nimnimak_11, May 04, 2009, 12:52:27 PM
Quote from: Fahad on June 07, 2009, 06:36:39 AMSalaam.Siki, in case you missed it, this was for you:http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9598241.msg201861#msg201861
Quote from: nsws1988 on June 07, 2009, 03:30:12 PMWhat happened to this thread anyways? Have you come up with a consensus?
Quote from: huruf on June 08, 2009, 06:04:29 AM I doubt that there will be any consensus. Also there is no hurry. This is an opportunity to think through and throughly many questions that arise in connection with this subjet. As far as I am concerned one such fundamental question is the meaning or meanings of "ma malakat aymanu(cum)". I intend to study each occurrence of the term and that takes time. No more than three steps and one is already muddled up. Also there is no guarantee that one will come to a final conclusion and maybe there is also no need. God will provide.Salaam
Quote from: siki on June 08, 2009, 05:55:49 AMNo , i didnt , we will handle it soon.
Quote from: progressive1993 on June 11, 2009, 05:51:31 PMhttp://www.jesus-for-all.com/media/Sha7rour-Marriage-RightHand-Possession/transcript.htmlany opinions about this?
Quote from: the linkSheikh Khaled : Our professor. What happens if there was pregnancy out of adultery? In case the relationship is behind closed doors, nobody is watching and the rest of the conditions you told us do not apply. Dr Shahrour : Yes, it's her fault then. Sheikh Khaled : Then what? Dr Shahrour : It's her fault that she agreed to that. Sheikh Khaled : What do we tell her now; throw away your baby in the basket? Dr Shahrour : It's her fault I'm saying, her fault. I'm telling you that 80% of the relationships on earth are allowed (halal).
Quote from: liquiddharma on June 11, 2009, 06:34:06 PMI think the doctor has a very negative attitude towards women and children. People, who don't think men have a responsibility towards their children, are scum.
Quote from: progressive1993 on June 11, 2009, 06:47:20 PMTrue, he could have said "use contraception" or something. But what do you think about Dr. Shabbir's arguement as a whole?
QuoteSheikh Khaled : Our professor. What happens if there was pregnancy out of adultery? In case the relationship is behind closed doors, nobody is watching and the rest of the conditions you told us do not apply. Dr Shahrour : Yes, it's her fault then. Sheikh Khaled : Then what? Dr Shahrour : It's her fault that she agreed to that. Sheikh Khaled : What do we tell her now; throw away your baby in the basket? Dr Shahrour : It's her fault I'm saying, her fault. I'm telling you that 80% of the relationships on earth are allowed (halal). /quote]my two pence on this point : khaleed talks about his definition of adultery(actually "fornication"), much vaster than shahrours. shahrours answer is on the few cases he considers adultery (when a man has sexual intercourse with a woman married with another man). i guess this is why his answer seems so mysoginistic.the quote underneath QuoteDr Shahrour : It's up to them, if he clears her she is his right hand possession, if she clears him he is her right hand possession. /quote] shows thats his views are not that mysoginistic . Which scholar would accept a man to be a woman right hand possession in all, i think what he says has inner logic. would be easier to understand and follow as an article though instead of an inteview
QuoteDr Shahrour : It's up to them, if he clears her she is his right hand possession, if she clears him he is her right hand possession. /quote] shows thats his views are not that mysoginistic . Which scholar would accept a man to be a woman right hand possession in all, i think what he says has inner logic. would be easier to understand and follow as an article though instead of an inteview
