A Question About Jinns

[Mutazilah]

dont ruin his excitment about it, how do you know hes innovating, it would be nice to trust a little,

No proof, no trust 

[anna]

No proof, no trust 

quran is proof enough i beleive

[ayman]

Peace WayFinder,

Your post shows how much you are convinced in what you are advocating....
No problem though... Our minds remain open and we should be using it to come to conclusions... It is good that you are defending your theory...
I have a question...
How will you explain POSSESSION cases from JINNS... Here in my country it is widespread...  And when exorcised, these JINNS will usually talk through the mouth of the victim and tell who sent them and how they were sent...
There was a case here where the JINN told the exorcist to go to a particular beach, an exact location, to dig there and this was what he did... He found a paper with names written on it... and the name of the possessed person was on the list... So how can you explain this? 
Can I send my fantasy to someone else?  Or command it to do so and so...

I have no doubt that "possession" from fantasies exist and this is scientifically proven. In fact, we all risk to one degree or another being possessed by our fantasy if we let it get out of control.

Most children have "imaginary friends", which are products of their vivid fantasies. Most children grow out of imaginary friends but some don't and continue to have them into adulthood. This may signal a serious psychological disorder. A friend of mine in college had an imaginary friend into her adulthood. This imaginary friend was amazingly real to my friend. She told me, for example, that her imaginary friend would do things like comb her hair. I think that in the case of my friend, this imaginary friend was a reaction to emotional and family problems. When she was happy, this imaginary friend disappeared.

In adults this may develop into what is known as Doppelganger syndrome. Some may even have imaginary friends who are frightening and abusive. In extreme cases, those who completely lose control over their fantasy may develop Schizophrenia and become detached from reality and live in their own fantasy world of imaginary friends and enemies.

Unfortunately, because of the stigma of mental illness it mostly goes undiagnosed and untreated even in developed countries. In developing countries, the situation is much worse and not only are such mundane mental illnesses left undiagnosed and untreated, things are made worse by superstition and exorcism. Exorcists prey on such cases and feed the fantasies of the person and those around him or her to make monetary gains.

If your friends and relatives from whom you heard those stories really care about the "possessed" person then they should try to get them to see a good psychotherapist.

Our fantasy/"jinn" can be a positive tool. However, if we let it control us then it can become a destructive tool. When fantasy is controlled with the truth then humans progress. For example, when our fantasy about flying met the truth about the laws of aerodynamics, we made airplanes. The natural order of things is that fantasy/"jinn" should be obedient ("sujud") to us but it refused. So we need to control it with the truth or it will lead us to our doom.

I hope this helps.

Peace,

Ayman

[WayFinder]

Peace,

Please forgive me, but I think that's rather unwise. Your belief that possession is real is based on hearsay, which is the worst reason to believe something.

There are a trillion reasons why people yell and cry. The person you're talking about could've been in a lot of pain and misery. I think belief in possession can be dangerous because a person's strange behaviour can be due to something very serious. Dismissing something that's serious as a case of possession will leave that serious issue unresolved.

Peace

You think I am relying on HEARSAY like HADITHS??

In case of hadith, all of the person who heard and the one who spoke are dead, so no verification...

The one case I am talking about is that of my very close friend's brother...  And his story is really one of the most strange...

He gets the attacks almost at same time every day, in the beginning of the nightfall, and he keeps in pain for the whole night, yelling and crying...  When asked where he has the pain, he shows somewhere, and you will see that part of the body a little swollen, and guess what, after sometime, this swell moves to another part of his body, and it keeps moving as well as the pain... 

At times, he will run away from home... on foot...  And hours later, people will find him in another town and phone to his parents to come and fetch him... No matter in what closing he is, even in pyjamas... he runs away... And most of the time, he is found in front on hindu temples or burial grounds...  Of couse, when asked about these escapes, he just knows nothing about it...  His mother will hide the key in different places, when he is not around to know the hiding place, and when everyone is asleep, we do not know how he finds the key, open the door without anyone hearing and dissappears in the dark...

Once he was taking his bath and fell unconscious, when he regain consciousness, there were all kinds of marks on his body... like nail scratches from his neck down to his chest...  There are so much more... Believe me man, this is not a story I am making.... This thing is really happening every day... and it has been happening since SEVEN YEARS!

Do not think that the guy did not consult a doc... he undergone all sort of diagnosis and they revealed nothing, he do not have even the most benign type disease ...

There was only one time I witness such weird happening, it was with a kid at school... suddenly his eyeballs flipped on the side... like he lost control on his eyes docs etc could not figure whats wrong with the kid... Later, he started to speak weird things and in ANOTHER VOICE... Can a child get an adult voice overnight? When the people recite the Quran to him, the Jinn speaks and tells who sent him to the boy and so on...

There are so many jinn stories here my friends...

regards

[anna]

Peace

You think I am relying on HEARSAY like HADITHS??

In case of hadith, all of the person who heard and the one who spoke are dead, so no verification...

The one case I am talking about is that of my very close friend's brother...  And his story is really one of the most strange...

He gets the attacks almost at same time every day, in the beginning of the nightfall, and he keeps in pain for the whole night, yelling and crying...  When asked where he has the pain, he shows somewhere, and you will see that part of the body a little swollen, and guess what, after sometime, this swell moves to another part of his body, and it keeps moving as well as the pain... 

At times, he will run away from home... on foot...  And hours later, people will find him in another town and phone to his parents to come and fetch him... No matter in what closing he is, even in pyjamas... he runs away... And most of the time, he is found in front on hindu temples or burial grounds...  Of couse, when asked about these escapes, he just knows nothing about it...  His mother will hide the key in different places, when he is not around to know the hiding place, and when everyone is asleep, we do not know how he finds the key, open the door without anyone hearing and dissappears in the dark...

Once he was taking his bath and fell unconscious, when he regain consciousness, there were all kinds of marks on his body... like nail scratches from his neck down to his chest...  There are so much more... Believe me man, this is not a story I am making.... This thing is really happening every day... and it has been happening since SEVEN YEARS!

Do not think that the guy did not consult a doc... he undergone all sort of diagnosis and they revealed nothing, he do not have even the most benign type disease ...

There was only one time I witness such weird happening, it was with a kid at school... suddenly his eyeballs flipped on the side... like he lost control on his eyes docs etc could not figure whats wrong with the kid... Later, he started to speak weird things and in ANOTHER VOICE... Can a child get an adult voice overnight? When the people recite the Quran to him, the Jinn speaks and tells who sent him to the boy and so on...

There are so many jinn stories here my friends...

regards

what has his family done about it , if it has been going on for 7 years, why havent they gotten the right help
this will kill the boy mentally, i wish i can help him....... he has to learn how to control them , they cant harm him if he controls them, how old is he.

[WayFinder]

what has his family done about it , if it has been going on for 7 years, why havent they gotten the right help
this will kill the boy mentally, i wish i can help him....... he has to learn how to control them , they cant harm him if he controls them, how old is he.

The right help means?  Now the guys is in his twenties...  The family only recite the Quran on him... Nothing more...

[anna]

The right help means?  Now the guys is in his twenties...  The family only recite the Quran on him... Nothing more...

there is only one way to counterattack jinn, god says in the quran that the shaytan can not come near a mo2min,that person possessed must become a mo2min and understand the meanng of it, the concept of a mo2min only then would he be able to control them, his attacks might get worsen for a while because the jinn is fearing the iman within the body, slowly they will either leave him or submit themselves, but only he can do this none can do it for him, he needs to confront them as well as speak to them let him show them he is not afraid of them, the only way a jinn can control a human is through ther faith how much they truley have
anyway you can messege me, i really would like to help........

[Kadeen]

The Quran clearly states that Satan was an angel, by virtue of the immense powers and rank bestowed upon him. This is why he is addressed as an angel (2:34, 7:11, 15:29, 17:61, 18:50, 20:116, 38:71) prior to his fall. By definition, a jinn is a fallen angel (18:50). Satan's rebellion teaches us that the angels were created with minds of their own, and absolute freedom of choice (2:34).

[MuchMuur]

All of you have presented interesting concepts and theories. I however know what a jinn is. Why do jinn and jinnah have the same root word? Because jinn are the people of jinnah, or the orijinnal inhabitants of eden. This is clearly explained in jinnesis in the bible. And is also explained in surah 2 of the quran. When Adam was put here there was someone already here, the Jinn. This confusion is why science and spirituality so often appear to be irreconcilable, when they are one and the same. Scripture only traces mans beginning back several thousand years. Yet science traces the presence of man back millions. Quran 15:27 states "And the jinn did We create aforetime of essential fire.". Often we do not realize the depths of the deceivers influence on our perception. Jinn is the root word of aborijinnal. Mankind and Jinn are two different races of people. Before you reject these truths do yourself the favor of investigating. Every race on earth is Man, Jinn or varying degrees of mixture. A jinn can initiate a possession, but does not physically enter the possessed individual themself. Jews are not Jinn, I am a Jinn.
Peace and Blessings

[MuchMuur]

We must stop equating Jinn with Devil, this is a christian racist notion, and is the foundation of many of the problems We deal with today. "Thus have We appointed unto every prophet an adversary - devils of humankind and jinn who inspire in one another plausible discourse through guile. If thy Lord willed, they would not do so; so leave them alone with their devising;"[6:112] Here We can clearly see the distinction between My people (Jinn) and the Devil.