Number of wives?

[Muslimtruthrevealed]

Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf....

It seems again that you 'refuse' to accept the ayah Sura 33:37, which clearly gives the 'decree' of ONE single wife, period.

Also Sura 4:3 ....

[Al-Nisa'a 4.3]  Wain khiftum alla tuqsitoo fee alyatama fa VERBAL SENTENCE >>> inkihoo ADVERBAL MODIFIERS >>> MA TABA lakum minna <<< GENITIVE >>> alnnisai ADJECTIVES >>> mathna wathulatha warubaAAa <<< fain khiftum alla taAAdiloo fa ADJECTIVE Subject (Al Nisa) >>>> wahidatan <<< aw ma malakat aymanukum thalika adna alla taAAooloo


wahiditan (tarmubutah & tanwin, adjective to the feminine noun (Al Nisai ) means ONE female indefinitely

and this one....

[An-Nur 24.32] MARRY THOSE AMONG YOU WHO ARE SINGLE, and the virtuous ones among yourselves, male or FEMALE. if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace. for Allah encompasseth all, and he knoweth all things.


I have shown that your statement:

in order to reach your conclusion that a second or third or any other number is prohibited, you will have to produce a verse like that.  there is no such verse.

......  is primarily an 'emotional' statement and NOT based upon any serious understanding of the ayahs.


Please address the ayahs and show evidence that I have 'played games' with the words.

[Al Araf]

salam muslimthreadrevealed.  you are inventing lies.

33:37 has to do with marrying the wives of adopted sons. your interpretation is utter nonsense.  there is no decree regarding one wife in that verse.

4:3 has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four.  the subject is orphans, and it permits marrying more than one. it says if you fear and that is the crux of the sentence, supposing the person does not fear, then your statement becomes void. again this has to do with orphans, and orphans only. you cannot take what allah says about orphans and claim this is for all women. regardless the permission for more than one wife is absolutely clear in this verse.  for you to claim otherwise is a lie.

24:32 has to do with marrying single women, in other words a woman married to someone else, or a woman has not received a talaq is prohibited. again nothing to do with single wife.

your post is complete nonsense. do not bother to respond any further.  i reject your nonsense out of hand completely.

allah is the lawgiver.

[Mazhar]

has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four.

A little clarification. The verse does not say "a man may marry". Rather it is a command to the society as a whole to arrange the marriages of widows, in twos, threes, fours. For the society this has been declared "which is taba lakum". Increased number of widows remaining without marriage will certainly result in nonesense activities, for this reason it is Taba for the society to arrange marriage of widows.

[simple]

A little clarification. The verse does not say "a man may marry". Rather it is a command to the society as a whole to arrange the marriages of widows, in twos, threes, fours. For the society this has been declared "which is taba lakum". Increased number of widows remaining without marriage will certainly result in nonesense activities, for this reason it is Taba for the society to arrange marriage of widows.

Salaams Mazhar,

I remember Br. Layth and a few other people used to deny polygamy, that it exists in the quran, until he came across;

4:23 Your mothers, and your daughters, ............................ and that you combine between the two sisters, except what had preceded, that God was/is forgiving, merciful.

That you can't keep two sisters at the same time!

24:32
Marry those among you who have are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male servants or maid servants: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah encompassed all, and he knoweth all things.

This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace.

Page 137 of lanes;

It?s not saying men can't take on polygamy, does it?

Dd you know hindu women can't marry when they become widowed , there are hundredes of millions of these single women in India and the men who are well off can help themselves to these women when ever they choose to without marrying them???

[Mazhar]

24:32
Marry those among you who have are single, or the virtuous ones among yourselves, male servants or maid servants: if they are in poverty, Allah will give them means out of His grace: for Allah encompassed all, and he knoweth all things.
This ayah is I think talking about those of us who have been made single or are single but are not well off and are actually below you financially- and that Allah will give them means out of his grace.

"Ankehoo" is a command to the well off segment of the society to arrange for the marriages of non married persons  and their home servants who cannot afford the expenses of marriage, and in the next verse is adice for those who are poor and can't meet the expenses or find spouse for that reason. When we say without referring to command aspect of the word "marry", it may not give the proper perception infolded in the word.

[huruf]

The case of leaving more than one widow in the ayas about inheritance is not considered. ?Any explanation? ?And what to do in case of more than one widow?

[simple]

"Ankehoo" is a command to the well off segment of the society to arrange for the marriages of non married persons  and their home servants who cannot afford the expenses of marriage, and in the next verse is adice for those who are poor and can't meet the expenses or find spouse for that reason.

Is that with their consent or without their consent? And where does it talk about getting their consent.

Obviously if the ayah was about your-self you don't need consent from yourself!

You know you cannot forcibly marry people!


Lastly please be wise as to show us the meaning you are proposing in any credible dictionary to support your Ankehoo meaning.

Thanks Br.

[simple]

The case of leaving more than one widow in the ayahs about inheritance is not considered. ?Any explanation? ?And what to do in case of more than one widow?

This isn't my translation but doesn't it answer your query?

In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

Without going too deep, doesn't the plurality of the wives mean anything?


Salaam.

[Samia]

In what your wives leave, your share is a half, if they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts. In what ye leave, their share is a fourth, if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eighth; after payment of legacies and debts. If the man or woman whose inheritance is in question, has left neither ascendants nor descendants, but has left a brother or a sister, each one of the two gets a sixth; but if more than two, they share in a third; after payment of legacies and debts; so that no loss is caused (to any one). Thus is it ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-knowing, Most Forbearing.

This isn't my translation but doesn't it answer your query?

Without going too deep, doesn't the plurality of the wives mean anything?


Salaam.

The plurality of (wives) in this verse goes with the plurality of "you", so it  is insignificant.

[Muslimtruthrevealed]

salam muslimthreadrevealed.  you are inventing lies.

33:37 has to do with marrying the wives of adopted sons. your interpretation is utter nonsense.  there is no decree regarding one wife in that verse.

4:3 has to do with marrying orphans, and it says a man may marry two or three or four.  the subject is orphans, and it permits marrying more than one. it says if you fear and that is the crux of the sentence, supposing the person does not fear, then your statement becomes void. again this has to do with orphans, and orphans only. you cannot take what allah says about orphans and claim this is for all women. regardless the permission for more than one wife is absolutely clear in this verse.  for you to claim otherwise is a lie.

24:32 has to do with marrying single women, in other words a woman married to someone else, or a woman has not received a talaq is prohibited. again nothing to do with single wife.

your post is complete nonsense. do not bother to respond any further.  i reject your nonsense out of hand completely.

allah is the lawgiver.

Assalaam Alaikum @Al Araf

Its quite obvious that you are not intellectually equipped and/or lack emotional maturity to engage in this discussion.

Im sorry I will refrain from responding to your comments.