My answers to Ayman's Alligations

[progod]

Peace,

You are right about the driving force that is what started all this years ago for me. But as for different local conditions, well God gives us different conditions and things to deal with in life period. Does that make him unfair? Does he half to dish out the same thing to everyone, uniformly? In the next couple of years all of us will be fasting in August and June. This is very, very hot for many in the world and very cold for others. And a lunar Ramadan falls in different seasons all around the world as well, sometimes crazy hot or dry in one place and not so much in others. So is that unfair? If it is too hard to fast we can make it up, so I don't see the point if the summer being extremely hot in one place or not so hot in another being an issue of God being unfair.

But Noah's age is plainly 950 years. This type of style exists in all langauges where one refers to a number by rounding up and subtracting. That is not unclear at all.

Godbless,
Anwar

[farida]

Peace,

You are right about the driving force that is what started all this years ago for me. But as for different local conditions, well God gives us different conditions and things to deal with in life period. Does that make him unfair? Does he half to dish out the same thing to everyone, uniformly? In the next couple of years all of us will be fasting in August and June. This is very, very hot for many in the world and very cold for others. And a lunar Ramadan falls in different seasons all around the world as well, sometimes crazy hot or dry in one place and not so much in others. So is that unfair? If it is too hard to fast we can make it up, so I don't see the point if the summer being extremely hot in one place or not so hot in another being an issue of God being unfair.



Godbless,
Anwar

Salaam Anwar,

When you see a person, in possession of more than another, this does not necessarily mean that he is a favoured one. Inequality exist in this world, like when you see a child born with deformity and you ask what was his fault, a question I could never answer. But then Satan imparts on you the illusion of  unfairness and whispers ideas how to make this world an ideal world.
However on the question of fasting as I understand, when it rotates everyone has their share of bad and good seasons and the experience is designed to develop empathy and understanding for those who starve for lack of food, if you think carefully, it is linked to feeding poor when missed.

But Noah's age is plainly 950 years. This type of style exists in all langauges where one refers to a number by rounding up and subtracting. That is not unclear at all.

Where does it say in the Qur'an that Noah's age is 950 years?
Just imagine what a curse such a long age would be for a person who has to go on living while all his folks passed away and he finds himself among one after another new alien generations,   
Can you imagine a human living for nearly a millennium?

[Samia]

I hope many members, who put their trust in Arabic speakers would take note of this as, I too feel that Arabs somehow think they have a god-given authority to manipulate  verses of the Qur?an simply because the Qur?an is in Arabic, a language native to them.
Then there are others who have taken 'Pharisees' as their gods and do not use their common sense at all. They end up asking the most ridiculous questions just for the sake of quizzing others.
i would remind them  3:99 Say: "O ye People of the Book! Why obstruct ye those who believe, from the path of Allah, Seeking to make it crooked, while ye were yourselves witnesses (to Allah's Covenant)? but Allah is not unmindful of all that ye do."

Salaam farida

If you do not understad Arabic, how do you know that those Arabic speakers you refer to manipulate verses of the quran? What's your reference: your own understanding or a specific translation (made by a native or near native speaker of Arabic) or just by following the majority and the familiar understanding?
Reminds me of a neigbour who did not know any English, and who said about her son in the secondary school in Khartoum that "he spoke very good English, just like an Englishman"

[farida]

Salaam farida

If you do not understad Arabic, how do you know that those Arabic speakers you refer to manipulate verses of the quran? What's your reference: your own understanding or a specific translation (made by a native or near native speaker of Arabic) or just by following the majority and the familiar understanding?
Reminds me of a neigbour who did not know any English, and who said about her son in the secondary school in Khartoum that "he spoke very good English, just like an Englishman"

Salaam Samia
You got a point there, from now on I need to shut up and not doubt any Arabic speaker as I have no knowledge of the language, lets say  them, and follow my instincts.

[progod]

Where does it say in the Qur'an that Noah's age is 950 years?
Just imagine what a curse such a long age would be for a person who has to go on living while all his folks passed away and he finds himself among one after another new alien generations,  think
Can you imagine a human living for nearly a millennium?

Like I said this is stylistic. You can say thamma ilaahun waahidun/ahadun wa huwa allaahu. (there is only one god and he is God) or you can say laa ilaaha illa allahu/a (There is no god, but God). So as you can see (and this is common to all language) a wrong idea is put forward in an absolute way, and then a but or except follows it to clarify that there is an exeption. I've red many things like this in English and a few in Arabic as well. saying a thousand minus 50 = 950. Now whether that is a curse for a person to live that long, is your perception. According to the Bible (and no we don't follow everything in the bible) everyone back then lived that long. Why? Who knows. We know from the Quran of the boys who lived for 300 years in the cave. What makest this possible? Some environmental factor that existed back then and in that cave, probably, but if God gives someone this age, why should we say it is a curse? Maybe it was a blessing and gave them great wisdom beyond our belief. I can, but I could never imagine it perfectuly unless I experienced it and I probably won't. But I have these questions to ask you as well. Could you imagine a woman having a child without a husband? Could you imagine a staff turning into a snake? Boys living in a cave for 5 hundred years? And to give you an anomly that you can see in our time, people crying sharp crystals or stones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W_smOrubuo
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5_Rj2zKMy4&feature=related

Everything that happens has it's reasons whether we come to know them in our lives or not.

Godbless,
Anwar

[farida]

Like I said this is stylistic. You can say thamma ilaahun waahidun/ahadun wa huwa allaahu. (there is only one god and he is God) or you can say laa ilaaha illa allahu/a (There is no god, but God). So as you can see (and this is common to all language) a wrong idea is put forward in an absolute way, and then a but or except follows it to clarify that there is an exeption. I've red many things like this in English and a few in Arabic as well. saying a thousand minus 50 = 950. Now whether that is a curse for a person to live that long, is your perception. According to the Bible (and no we don't follow everything in the bible) everyone back then lived that long. Why? Who knows.
Everything that happens has it's reasons whether we come to know them in our lives or not.

Godbless,
Anwar

Salaam Anwar,

I was not disagreeing with the stylistic calculation and I do agree with you that long age being a curse is only my perception of it. I know that Noah?s same age has been mentioned in the Bible and I do not, altogether reject the Bible, but  I wanted to draw you attention to 29:14 which, according to my understanding does not give away the age of Noah but the time he spent with his people before the Deluge. As he lived after the storm, I believe, his age (?til he died) is not given in the Qur?an. وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا نُوحًا إِلَى قَوْمِهِ فَلَبِثَ فِيهِمْ أَلْفَ سَنَةٍ إِلا خَمْسِينَ عَامًا فَأَخَذَهُمُ الطُّوفَانُ وَهُمْ ظَالِمُونَ[/b]
Also if we read the story of Noah we also do not see him, in anyway, living uncommonly long. He did not outlive his son due to long life, but his son  perished in the storm. So he had his family, except his son, with him.
21:76  NOAH, when he cried (to Us) aforetime: We listened to his (prayer) and delivered him and his family from great distress.
Therefore it is my understanding that we have to calculate the time Noah spent with his people in terms of what we consider a year made of 12 months and I believe the years calculated in surah . 29:14 are multiplied between two type of calculations for the year we see as ?sanatin? and  ?AAaman ?

Walaqad arsalna noohan ila qawmihi falabitha feehim alfa sanatin illa khamseena AAaman faakhathahumu alttoofanu wahum thalimoona

We know from the Quran of the boys who lived for 300 years in the cave. What makest this possible? Some environmental factor that existed back then and in that cave, probably, but if God gives someone this age, why should we say it is a curse? Maybe it was a blessing and gave them great wisdom beyond our belief. I can, but I could never imagine it perfectuly unless I experienced it and I probably won't. But I have these questions to ask you as well. Could you imagine a woman having a child without a husband? Could you imagine a staff turning into a snake? Boys living in a cave for 5 hundred years?

Of course I do not dispute the above and those in the cave were preserved by the God18:17,18 and  ....? They are among our wondrous signs? 18:9  nor do I dispute the account of Mary
A stick turning into a snake, if we take it literally then too I believe it, but I see that narration more in the terms of two sides putting forward their supporting arguments.
The sorcerers were using illusionary methods, like the ones you see used by the politicians and Hollywood movies and many intellectuals who use deceptive theories to dominate the scene in all areas. They have no real power and, if we all use the support in the book of guidance we can defeat the pharaohs of today. 

And to give you an anomly that you can see in our time, people crying sharp crystals or stones? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_W_smOrubuo
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5_Rj2zKMy4&feature=related

That is a strange video about tears of crystal and stones; I am waiting to see when it make world news headlines as it can?t go unnoticed if it?s really happening.

[progod]

That is a strange video about tears of crystal and stones; I am waiting to see when it make world news headlines as it can?t go unnoticed if it?s really happening

Many things that really happen go unnoticed.

And as it concerns Noah, again if we look at the Bible (and we are not obligated to believe anything beyond Moses' and Jesus' words therein) everynoe back then was living that long. He is the oldest person besides Adam (if you believe he is a person, and I don't believe that Adam is a person) to be mentioned in the Quran. Now many of the prophets mentioned in the Quarn don't have the biographies of the people around them mentioend eithers. So The Quran is giving us what we need to know, and the fact that the Bible confirms this and has everyone living that long back then, well I think there was something going on evironmentally that is not going on any more.

Walaqad arsalna noohan ila qawmihi falabitha feehim alfa sanatin illa khamseena AAaman

This is the Arabic. It is interesting because it could be translated as 1000 sanah BUT 50 aaam. Now sanah is used first and aam is used second. And that could say something, but in this case sanah in Cl. Arabic is if anything just more connected with the natural seasonal year, and 50 possibly with years according to human calendars.  I'll look into the sanah/aam difference some more too. However, I'm not going to ecpect much because it is possible that these are all synonyms deriving from different people's view of a year, for some it is more connected to a calendar (poss. the aam connection), to others more with the seaons and crops (the sanah connection), to others, the full circle of an event like the solstice (possibly the hawl connection).


Godbless,
Anwar

[AaRoN]

anwar i can't believe you have the nerve to cuss ayman so much for conjecture and stuff and then post those garbage youtube videos as evidence of an anomaly in our times. if you believe these videos at all something is seriously wrong.