This Sunday is Ramadan's first day...

[Ahmad Bilal]

Peace to all,


yes I am a fellow kool-aid drinker along with ayman, we are sectarians that rejoice in that which is with us, i reject all the rest of you as misguided kafars,  so obey God and obey brother ayman or else,

Kurt

[belH]

you did not ansawered the claims in that post.

Peace,
Please refere to the following:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

In which you can sight the Moon Yourself
Peace

[afridi220]

Peace,
Please refere to the following:

http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php

In which you can sight the Moon Yourself
Peace

sorry i think the moon sighting is not the right method,  lets take the prophet birth day for example it rotate freely and never comes in same season same apply to ramadan and haaj and eids.

if you was born on feb 20 and it was first hijra next year it should fall same month on 20 feb and same season.

do you now the hindi or punjabi months name i will show you they are based on season and never change.

if month of ramadan was the name of a month based on season then it should come on same season.

here are the nams of the months

January -         Magha
February -       Phalguna
March -          Chaitra
April -            Vaishaka
May -           Jyaistha
June -           Asadha
July -           Srawana
August -        Bhadrapada
September -   Asvina
October -      Kartikka
November -   Magasirsa
December ?   Pousha

Following are the months of Punjabi caendar year
1- Chait
2-Bisakh
3-jaith
4-Haarh
5-saawin
6-Bhadoon
7- Asvij
8- Katik
9- Maghar
10- Poh
11- Maagh
12 Phagun

peace

[belH]

sorry i think the moon sighting is not the right method,  lets take the prophet birth day for example it rotate freely and never comes in same season same apply to ramadan and haaj and eids.

if you was born on feb 20 and it was first hijra next year it should fall same month on 20 feb and same season.

do you now the hindi or punjabi months name i will show you they are based on season and never change.

if month of ramadan was the name of a month based on season then it should come on same season.

here are the nams of the months

January -         Magha
February -       Phalguna
March -          Chaitra
April -            Vaishaka
May -           Jyaistha
June -           Asadha
July -           Srawana
August -        Bhadrapada
September -   Asvina
October -      Kartikka
November -   Magasirsa
December ?   Pousha

Following are the months of Punjabi caendar year
1- Chait
2-Bisakh
3-jaith
4-Haarh
5-saawin
6-Bhadoon
7- Asvij
8- Katik
9- Maghar
10- Poh
11- Maagh
12 Phagun

peace

يَسۡـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلۡأَهِلَّةِۖ قُلۡ هِىَ مَوَٲقِيتُ لِلنَّاسِ وَٱلۡحَجِّۗ وَلَيۡسَ ٱلۡبِرُّ بِأَن تَأۡتُواْ ٱلۡبُيُوتَ مِن ظُهُورِهَا وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلۡبِرَّ مَنِ ٱتَّقَىٰۗ وَأۡتُواْ ٱلۡبُيُوتَ مِنۡ أَبۡوَٲبِهَاۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ لَعَلَّڪُمۡ تُفۡلِحُونَ (١٨٩)

They ask thee concerning the New Moons (Crescent). Say: they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)

Thus? the mark of Ramadan month is the beginning of new moon, according to Quran and not to Me or You.

Peace

[afridi220]

يَسۡـَٔلُونَكَ عَنِ ٱلۡأَهِلَّةِۖ قُلۡ هِىَ مَوَٲقِيتُ لِلنَّاسِ وَٱلۡحَجِّۗ وَلَيۡسَ ٱلۡبِرُّ بِأَن تَأۡتُواْ ٱلۡبُيُوتَ مِن ظُهُورِهَا وَلَـٰكِنَّ ٱلۡبِرَّ مَنِ ٱتَّقَىٰۗ وَأۡتُواْ ٱلۡبُيُوتَ مِنۡ أَبۡوَٲبِهَاۚ وَٱتَّقُواْ ٱللَّهَ لَعَلَّڪُمۡ تُفۡلِحُونَ (١٨٩)

They ask thee concerning the New Moons (Crescent). Say: they are but signs to mark fixed periods of time for men, and for pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back; it is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors and fear Allah that ye may prosper. (2-189)

Thus? the mark of Ramadan month is the beginning of new moon, according to Quran and not to Me or You.

Peace

:)ISNA INCORRECT Hijri Dates
For 2006 ISNA dates were calculated by: ?the Conjunction before 12:00 Noon GMT.? 

On August 1, 2007 ISNA Fiqh Council (ISNA FC) changed its rules for Ramadan and Eidain again. Now ISNA Islamic calendar dates are by ? the conjunction must take place before sunset in Makkah and moonset after sunset in Makkah? (Both calculations rejected the visible Hilal). The Muslim organizations, groups and some ME countries have dispensed with the Hilal-sighting requirement. They argue: ?There is no need for the Muslims to resort to actual sighting.? (Dr. Z Shah (Islamic Horizons (Sep/Oct. 2006) p. 51)

Saudi Dates of Ramadan, Eidain and Hajj
Saudi dates are not fixed by the crescent moon seen in Makka. Since 1999 (1420AH) Saudi first date of Ramadan, etc. begins at sunset of the 29th day if:

1.      The geocentric conjunction (NM) occurs before sunset; and

2.      The moon sets after the sun (in Makka).

ISNA followed Saudi dates for decades and has finally discarded the moon-sighting in the USA. Islamic Hijri dates published in the ISNA calendar and on the web of Mr. Khalid Shaukat (www.moonsighting.com) copy the Saudi dates and are incorrect. For correct dates (always fixed by Hilal in the US go to www.Islamicmoon.com. 

CFCO Intl. moon-watch ensures that a Hilal is actually observed within the US.

Islamic Dates Mess
1. Saudi/ISNA Calendar ia calculated by the Conjunction (NM) in Makkah;

2. Libya follows the Conjunction Before Dawn

3. Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Turkey, Bosnia, Tunis, etc.: calculate by lunar altitude of 3-5 degrees at sunset (never seen).

4. European Fatwa Council (ECFR), and other Muslim organizations follow S. Arabia.

5. Some UK Muslim groups have adopted ?Morocco sighting? as valid for UK.

6. Toronto Council in 2007 decided to go by a sighting in the Caribbean. Some Mosques in New York, Buffalo, etc. follow Toronto decision.

7. Chicago based Shari?ah Board accepts all claims of sighting. For them the Calculations or non-sighting of the Hilal in California (claimed seen in Chicago) are ?Not valid Shari?ah arguments? to reject the Chicago claim.

8. Connecticut Council of Masajid (USA) decides dates strictly by local CT sighting.

9. Only Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Morocco, Oman, South Africa, etc follow a locally sighted moon.

Fist Fights and Blame Games?

The yearly season for fistfights among the Muslims begins from Ramadan and ends with Muharram. The fasting month starts and Eids celebrated on 4 -5 different solar dates and the world laughs. But everyone blames the others for the mess.

Allah and His Messenger (S) have provided clear guidance of Ahilla (waxing crescent moons) for us to start / end the Islamic month. That is how the Muslims have determined the beginning of an Islamic month for fifteen centuries.

[belH]

:)ISNA INCORRECT Hijri Dates
For 2006 ISNA dates were calculated by: ?the Conjunction before 12:00 Noon GMT.? 

On August 1, 2007 ISNA Fiqh Council (ISNA FC) changed its rules for Ramadan and Eidain again. Now ISNA Islamic calendar dates are by ? the conjunction must take place before sunset in Makkah and moonset after sunset in Makkah? (Both calculations rejected the visible Hilal). The Muslim organizations, groups and some ME countries have dispensed with the Hilal-sighting requirement. They argue: ?There is no need for the Muslims to resort to actual sighting.? (Dr. Z Shah (Islamic Horizons (Sep/Oct. 2006) p. 51)

Saudi Dates of Ramadan, Eidain and Hajj
Saudi dates are not fixed by the crescent moon seen in Makka. Since 1999 (1420AH) Saudi first date of Ramadan, etc. begins at sunset of the 29th day if:

1.      The geocentric conjunction (NM) occurs before sunset; and

2.      The moon sets after the sun (in Makka).

ISNA followed Saudi dates for decades and has finally discarded the moon-sighting in the USA. Islamic Hijri dates published in the ISNA calendar and on the web of Mr. Khalid Shaukat (www.moonsighting.com) copy the Saudi dates and are incorrect. For correct dates (always fixed by Hilal in the US go to www.Islamicmoon.com. 

CFCO Intl. moon-watch ensures that a Hilal is actually observed within the US.

Islamic Dates Mess
1. Saudi/ISNA Calendar ia calculated by the Conjunction (NM) in Makkah;

2. Libya follows the Conjunction Before Dawn

3. Indonesia, Malaysia, Brunei, Turkey, Bosnia, Tunis, etc.: calculate by lunar altitude of 3-5 degrees at sunset (never seen).

4. European Fatwa Council (ECFR), and other Muslim organizations follow S. Arabia.

5. Some UK Muslim groups have adopted ?Morocco sighting? as valid for UK.

6. Toronto Council in 2007 decided to go by a sighting in the Caribbean. Some Mosques in New York, Buffalo, etc. follow Toronto decision.

7. Chicago based Shari?ah Board accepts all claims of sighting. For them the Calculations or non-sighting of the Hilal in California (claimed seen in Chicago) are ?Not valid Shari?ah arguments? to reject the Chicago claim.

8. Connecticut Council of Masajid (USA) decides dates strictly by local CT sighting.

9. Only Bangladesh, India, Pakistan, Morocco, Oman, South Africa, etc follow a locally sighted moon.

Fist Fights and Blame Games?

The yearly season for fistfights among the Muslims begins from Ramadan and ends with Muharram. The fasting month starts and Eids celebrated on 4 -5 different solar dates and the world laughs. But everyone blames the others for the mess.

Allah and His Messenger (S) have provided clear guidance of Ahilla (waxing crescent moons) for us to start / end the Islamic month. That is how the Muslims have determined the beginning of an Islamic month for fifteen centuries.

According to the links where you can witness the Moon yourself, when should we start fasting?


http://aa.usno.navy.mil/idltemp/current_moon.php


http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/MoonPhase.php
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/faq/docs/islamic.php
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/graphics/Moon_movie.gif

[belH]

sorry i think the moon sighting is not the right method,  lets take the prophet birth day for example it rotate freely and never comes in same season same apply to ramadan and haaj and eids.

if you was born on feb 20 and it was first hijra next year it should fall same month on 20 feb and same season.

Peace
A very Good answer to this is in:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596845.0

[afridi220]

Peace
A very Good answer to this is in:

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596845.0

a lam exscuse

[afridi220]

Please see the following link

http://www.iki.rssi.ru/mirrors/stern/stargaze/Sjewcale.htm

Keeping up with both Sun and Moon
If the Jewish calendar only followed the Moon, it would get quickly out of step with the seasons, which follow the cycle of the Sun--the holidays would migrate and you might get Passover in the fall, Rosh Hashanah in the spring, Chanukkah in mid-summer. That is what happens in the Moslem calendar, which only follows the moon.
Consider the month of Ramadan, when observant Moslems fast from sunrise to sundown. Ramadan this year was in early winter--the best time, because days are short, nights are long, your fasts are short too and you do not get too thirsty from heat. But wait 15 years! Then Ramadan will have migrated to mid-summer, when days are at their longest, the heat makes you quite thirsty (especially in countries like Arabia and Egypt), and fasting all day long is a much greater ordeal.

But the ancient Babylonians found a way to keep up with both the moon and the sun. Their priests were excellent astronomers--helped, no doubt, by the clear skies in a country perched at the edge of the desert.

[belH]

Please see the following link

http://www.iki.rssi.ru/mirrors/stern/stargaze/Sjewcale.htm

Keeping up with both Sun and Moon
If the Jewish calendar only followed the Moon, it would get quickly out of step with the seasons, which follow the cycle of the Sun--the holidays would migrate and you might get Passover in the fall, Rosh Hashanah in the spring, Chanukkah in mid-summer. That is what happens in the Moslem calendar, which only follows the moon.
Consider the month of Ramadan, when observant Moslems fast from sunrise to sundown. Ramadan this year was in early winter--the best time, because days are short, nights are long, your fasts are short too and you do not get too thirsty from heat. But wait 15 years! Then Ramadan will have migrated to mid-summer, when days are at their longest, the heat makes you quite thirsty (especially in countries like Arabia and Egypt), and fasting all day long is a much greater ordeal.

But the ancient Babylonians found a way to keep up with both the moon and the sun. Their priests were excellent astronomers--helped, no doubt, by the clear skies in a country perched at the edge of the desert.

It is He Who made the sun to be a shining glory and the moon to be a light (of beauty), and measured out stages for it: that ye might know the number of years and the count (of time). No wise did Allah create this but in truth and righteousness. (Thus) doth He explain His Signs in detail, for those who understand. (10-5)