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Re: Digital Messages
« Reply #380 on: October 04, 2014, 06:45:21 AM »
But in fact the word does not mean believe for iman/amen.

I think iman has something to do with "believe" or "sure" or "trust", and I suppose it may also associated with "safe/secure".

I still need to understand it deeper. It could be that when a person put his trust in God, then God makes him feel "secure".

Currently, I consider that mu'minun are those who entrust themselves to God, in other words, they trust God to secure them.

Looks like  "be of one" does not fit in many verses.

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« Reply #381 on: October 04, 2014, 07:16:41 AM »
I suppose from the Qur'an itself we can conclude that even if there is mathematical miracle in the Qur'an, people would not believe except if God wills.

God is fully aware of those who are willing to be guided.  :)

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Math can be applied to everything physical that God created, therefore we who conclude that the Quran is
from God can also conclude that yes the Quran is mathematically composed as well.  Of course those who conclude
that math is a function of the human brain and does not really exist have their point of view.

   

Math is all around us.

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Re: Digital Messages
« Reply #382 on: October 04, 2014, 07:26:28 AM »
JavaLatte,

Surely be of God suits with the whole context of Quran, since the whole context is about joining in with God.

Believe or disbelieve has no place in the context.

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Re: Digital Messages
« Reply #383 on: October 04, 2014, 09:42:36 AM »
Spiritual well-being be with you JavaLatte and bystander who wish to read,

Let us break down the argument of belief vs. disbelief into a logical analysis.

Okay. Qur'an speaks a lot of 'amen/iman' and you claim that it means believe, confidence or secure or whatever you argue. However, people like those in the 'IS' (Islamic Satans) also believe in God and yes they surely do so, although these people are grossly deluded (kafar).

Qur'an says that these people say they believe while they do not, and it does not mean that they say they believe in God, but in fact they say that "they are with God" while they are not with God. Anyone can say they believe in God and the statement is also hard to prove wrong and it may also be true that these people actually do believe in God. The whole logical concept is fallible.

However; if one says that they are with God then it becomes a whole different scenario, because one cannot be with God if one is deluded (kafar) into thinking one is with God. The only "kafar" (which is erroneously traditionally inferred to mean "disbelieve") that you will see is people who are void of sound judgment, deluded.

One can be misinformed, ignorant, deluded or whatever reason one is not with God, but one is judged by whatever they do.

And I thought that you sister had heard enough of me to be able to understand that what I speak of is something that I am enlightened about, but it seems that this 'be of one with God' reasoning is too hard on you to comprehend despite all my efforts to break it down in tiny pieces for you. Like I have repeated tremendously to you is that you are to tread in the light of God and God is not an object but a non-physical entity that takes no space and all space at the same time and you can stand under its light without challenging God in any way.

The way you now perceive God is a stubborn remnant of Paganism and God fills the slot as an object and becomes an image of something which is clearly something that was disallowed according to the decree that was revealed to Moses many years ago.

But it seems that you have taken a stance together with those people who just challenge whatever I say. It is amazing that you have opposed the argument that you are to be like God in behavior and deed, while perchance you cannot really go all out on that vision, you can at least work towards it. And for the one who is able to kill his or her ego it is fully possible to stand in the light and 'be of one with God' possessing sound judgment and goodness of soul. As long as you do not think that you can do this then you will obviously fail. It is another reason why people idolize their prophets because the prophets were of ones with God and the people lack understanding that just about anyone can stand in the light of God and be one with God when they open their eyes and work to improve themselves. Giving yourself excuses that you are not like God's spirit then you miss something in terms of knowledge.

Sects and their ignorance have enlarged this fallible conception of faith and they did not really safeguard whatever the prophets once said. But you see yourself one putting them in logical tests then the myth of "belief" falls very fast, not to mention that God does not need anyone to "believe" but everything in the universe, including those who lack understanding/knowledge, willingly or unwillingly testify that God exists even if they are deluding themselves or being deluded into thinking otherwise. There is no point in proving that something exists that is just a pure fact. God is shoveling facts at you in Qur'an, in fact the word ayah means 'A FACT' more or less in a translation into English.

In the narration of Qur'an, and older scriptures where 'amen/iman' is used, the talk is whether one is joining into the light of God rather than staying away from it. Ignorant of whatever God is, many people who argue about God as an object like sectarian/pagan (and sorry you too now) and those who totally reject the traditional God due to whatever they have seen or delusion of whatever God is that they logical mind deludes itself into thinking, many of them are in fact part of that light whenever they are good of mind and even many may think that there is a "higher power" despite stigmatized into confessing to this fact or they are repressing it into publicly saying no to God while in fact they in ways are one with God. Those who build on their souls; these people have/are iman/amen, while those who are empty inside, blinded/deluded by various reasons from doing what is right; these are your "kafars".

M 'umin is just a person possessing the attribute of iman/amen, where the "M" (meem) in Arabic stands for 'of', and 'een' (ين) as in mumin'een first marks a persona giving attribute then the 'nun' letter in the end marking it as a noun, or better elaborated from Arabic it marks that it is something or someone being m'umin, just as in the construction of the words QUR ' AAN, SHAIT ; AAN, MUSADEQ ' EEN.

Just as a side note; iman is never used in a negative regard in Qur'aan (except some people saying they are/have iman) and that has its roots in the myth-busting I have been performing above because it is not associated with "belief" or it would as well be used asking if they can be one with something else. In the example here in 2:13 they are told to behave/be like the other people and not specifically believe like them like the delusion has traditionally suggested. It is obviously a source of dogma and indoctrination of religious idealism.

2:13 And if they are told: ?Believe Be as one like the "people" have believed are,? they say: ?Shall we believe be like the foolish have believed are?? No, they are the foolish but they do not know.
2:14 And if they come across those that  have believed are , they say: ?We believe are of,? and when they are alone with their devils they say: ?We are with you, we were only mocking.?
2:15 God mocks them, and leaves them prolonged in their transgression.
2:16 These are the ones who have purchased straying with guidance; their trade did not profit them, nor were they guided.

Red: Transgression of what? Not believing or because they are not like the people but are like Satans?
Green: Obviously it is an Arabic saying suggested that their behavior and deeds caused them to be like that and thus not AMEN.

Note: Above changes in translation is less literal than original because 'be of one' is not a sensible translation as it is translated 100% literally. But as a summary all the passages containing the word iman speaks of acting in the same manner as everyone else that is a mumineen since the word means to be as of X (X=Person iman is attributed with), but it is purely a behavioral and lifestyle point. My translation as 'being whole' is therefore fully coherent and sensible. You struggle to be in a way. And a person on the promised day is judged by whatever this person had done during their interim here on Earth, and it has little to do with the traditional concept of faith/belief but rather their ideals, morals, behavior and deeds. This is another reason why the idea of religions and the right religion and "God's chosen people" is a dead-end and irrational reasoning.

And the whole reasoning I am out with here does not by any means erase the fact that God is for real, but God is simply just not the primitive object as usually perceived by common people and God is always near, omnipresent, present everywhere in the universe and lacks any kind of materialized shape or form but is existing abstractly everywhere at the same time. It is why God already at Moses' time went out with that God was to be presented like "I AM THAT I AM" or referred to as Elah/Allah (with AL-LAH being Arabic's way of giving it definition). It may hint at that the spirit of God is in a person who has chosen to side that way but also a double positive which marks assimilation. Also if God is "be that it is" it means God shows in whoever person acts in a specific way. And this is not suggesting that "we are God", but God is something entirely above humans, a very abstract higher life form which takes quite intriguing expressions. It is hard to really understand/comprehend "what is God".

Another narration from right before the above are these lines. I adjust the text where iman/amen occurs to show the point in translation and what it does to the text. Translation is 'Monotheist Translation' like above except my adjustments (strike-through replacements)

2:8 And from the people are those who say: ?We believe are ones in/with God and
in the Last Day,? but they are not with believers those.
2:9 They seek to deceive God and those who believe are of, but they only deceive themselves without noticing.
2:10 In their hearts is a disease darkness, so God increases their disease darkness, and they will have a painful retribution for what they have denied done/are doers of.
2:11 And if they are told: ?Do not make corruption in the land,? they say: ?But we are reformers!?
2:12 No, they are the corruptors, but they do not perceive.

Translation is quite rough-tuned and certainly would need a little paraphrasing due to linguistic differences in word order between English and Arabic, but I suppose you see the point.

You see that the whole context above makes sense as to what they are doing and that the word for the last word in the translation of 2:10 (يَكْذِبُونَ) yakthiboon marks their deeds they do in their delusion, because these people are deluded into doing whatever they are doing and it is linked with the previous example I gave. Of course these people are not facing retribution for denying God but because of what they are doing. Logic breaks the delusion of traditional translation, but I have also looked up the word carefully so I can also confirm that it means what I say. Obviously you see here that either you think that what I am saying carries weight or you stick to whatever the people who wish to remain in the darkness say. It is not that I sit here and imagine the words out of nothing but I have carefully been analyzing the Arabic and learning it without taint. You see that the literal quality of the text helps in discovering the true meaning of the words when you run a 'check' on the suggested translation.

And when God is speaking of Kayfa takafuroona biAllahi (كَيْفَ تَكْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ ) suggests that someone void of wisdom more or less, or perhaps better described as "deluded", deluded about God.

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Re: Digital Messages
« Reply #384 on: October 04, 2014, 01:18:18 PM »
It is hard to really understand/comprehend "what is God".
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Re: Digital Messages
« Reply #385 on: October 04, 2014, 02:55:20 PM »
I think the animals understand the Creator better than most humans. At least they just are, compared to us. What if we also were? Were as in killing our egos and follow the light and just were good inside out and not violent, jealous, greedy or arrogant. Well I suppose the test would be redundant then.

And people just come here with their belief system while God cares about behavior and deeds, and so much that people have received all sorts of narratives on how to be and behave while people emphasize on their belief! Belief will save no one because it is the purity of the souls and the reflection through behavior and deeds that shine through. Knowing may help because they know better of sound judgment and to go out of the darkness into the light.

Anyways, I am fascinated with certain number combinations and why often things land down on either 7 or 19, or a multiplier of any of them, and the fact 19 is a super prime number. 19 letters in the 'basmalah' is amazing. And there was an Iranian religious group in the 19th century who also saw something special regarding this spectacular number.

However my work on comprehension is feeling more important right now, but perhaps at some point these special coincidences with the so called code 19 may help me in some way.


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Re: Digital Messages
« Reply #386 on: October 04, 2014, 07:09:57 PM »
I think the animals understand the Creator better than most humans. At least they just are, compared to us. What if we also were? Were as in killing our egos and follow the light and just were good inside out and not violent, jealous, greedy or arrogant. Well I suppose the test would be redundant then.

And people just come here with their belief system while God cares about behavior and deeds, and so much that people have received all sorts of narratives on how to be and behave while people emphasize on their belief! Belief will save no one because it is the purity of the souls and the reflection through behavior and deeds that shine through. Knowing may help because they know better of sound judgment and to go out of the darkness into the light.

Anyways, I am fascinated with certain number combinations and why often things land down on either 7 or 19, or a multiplier of any of them, and the fact 19 is a super prime number. 19 letters in the 'basmalah' is amazing. And there was an Iranian religious group in the 19th century who also saw something special regarding this spectacular number.

However my work on comprehension is feeling more important right now, but perhaps at some point these special coincidences with the so called code 19 may help me in some way.


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I agree with your opinion but as you wrote :
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t is hard to really understand/comprehend "what is God".
You are truth, human has used only 6 % of his embedded knowledge in  the brain and we have robot in Mars which does job for us which we are not able to do.
All these robot and future one which could as human sitting next to us and discuss issues as we do now  :) which all his knowledge is given by his or her creator which is human.  Now if we ask such boinic human explain God it can not go further as much we have fed the knowledge. That robot never can understand what is God or creator same as human even we reach to 100 % knowledge still is under control of Creator and can turn it off any time . 
 Creature can be another creator if understand what is?
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Random verse 18:46
« Reply #387 on: October 11, 2014, 02:15:33 PM »
المالُ وَالبَنونَ زينَةُ الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَالبٰقِيٰتُ الصّٰلِحٰتُ خَيرٌ عِندَ رَبِّكَ ثَوابًا وَخَيرٌ أَمَلًا
Money and children are the joys of this life, but the righteous works provide an eternal recompense from your Lord, and a far better hope.
18,46,1304013061302506507105051308106513045010161302100104001309030840060010200705042002205006121660010200140301
7x...................................
18,1304013061302506507105051308106513045010161302100104001309030840060010200705042002205006121660010200140301,46
19x.....
19x19x........+(114)
46,18,1304013061302506507105051308106513045010161302100104001309030840060010200705042002205006121660010200140301
7x.........
19x..........+14
37x................+19
46,1304013061302506507105051308106513045010161302100104001309030840060010200705042002205006121660010200140301,18,
19x........

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Re: Random verse 18:46
« Reply #388 on: October 14, 2014, 09:59:38 PM »
المالُ وَالبَنونَ زينَةُ الحَيوٰةِ الدُّنيا وَالبٰقِيٰتُ الصّٰلِحٰتُ خَيرٌ عِندَ رَبِّكَ ثَوابًا وَخَيرٌ أَمَلًا
Money and children are the joys of this life, but the righteous works provide an eternal recompense from your Lord, and a far better hope.
18,46,1304013061302506507105051308106513045010161302100104001309030840060010200705042002205006121660010200140301
7x...................................
18,1304013061302506507105051308106513045010161302100104001309030840060010200705042002205006121660010200140301,46
19x.....

Peace Bahman,

18:46 المال the wealth والبنون and the sons being زىنه adornment الحىاه the life الدنىا the world...

Choose any verse various combinations: gv (geometrical value/abjad), chapter, verse is like throwing dice.


1.   gv
2.   ch, v, gv
3.   ch, gv, v
4.   v, ch, gv
5.   v, gv, ch
6.   gv, ch, v
7.   gv, v, ch


T = # of trials (there are numerous "arrangements" thus the higher the probability of getting a multiple).

E.g. rolling a die probability is 16.67% getting 6 on (1) attempt, 30.56% (2) trials... 72.09% (7) trials, etc.

 #   T      Probability of multiple   
 6   1      16.67%   1/6
 6   2      30.56%   11/36
 6   3      42.13%   91/216
 6   4      51.77%   671/1296
 6   5      59.81%   4651/7776
 6   6      66.51%   31031/46656
 6   7      72.09%   201811/279936
            
 7   1      14.29%   1/7
 7   2      26.53%   13/49
 7   3      37.03%   127/343
 7   4      46.02%   1105/2401
 7   5      53.73%   9031/16807
 7   6      60.34%   70993/117649
 7   7      66.01%   543607/823543
            
11   1      9.09%   1/11
11   2      17.36%   21/121
11   3      24.87%   331/1331
11   4      31.70%   4641/14641
11   5      37.91%   61051/161051
11   6      43.55%   771561/1771561
11   7      48.68%   9487171/19487171
            
13   1      7.69%   1/13
13   2      14.79%   25/169
13   3      21.35%   469/2197
13   4      27.40%   7825/28561
13   5      32.98%   122461/371293
13   6      38.14%   1840825/4826809
13   7      42.90%   26916709/62748517
            
17   1      5.88%   1/17
17   2      11.42%   33/289
17   3      16.63%   817/4913
17   4      21.53%   17985/83521
17   5      26.15%   371281/1419857
17   6      30.49%   7360353/24137569
17   7      34.58%   141903217/410338673
            
19   1      5.26%   1/19
19   2      10.25%   37/361
19   3      14.97%   1027/6859
19   4      19.45%   25345/130321
19   5      23.69%   586531/2476099
19   6      27.70%   13033657/47045881
19   7      31.51%   281651707/893871739
            
23   1      4.35%   1/23
23   2      8.51%   45/529
23   3      12.48%   1519/12167
23   4      16.29%   45585/279841
23   5      19.93%   1282711/6436343
23   6      23.41%   34655985/148035889
23   7      26.74%   910467559/3404825447
            
29   1      3.45%   1/29
29   2      6.78%   57/841
29   3      9.99%   2437/24389
29   4      13.10%   92625/707281
29   5      16.09%   3300781/20511149
29   6      18.99%   112933017/594823321
29   7      21.78%   3756947797/17249876309
            
31   1      3.23%   1/31
31   2      6.35%   61/961
31   3      9.37%   2791/29791
31   4      12.29%   113521/923521
31   5      15.12%   4329151/28629151
31   6      17.86%   158503681/887503681
31   7      20.51%   5642614111/27512614111
            
37   1      2.70%   1/37
37   2      5.33%   73/1369
37   3      7.89%   3997/50653
37   4      10.38%   194545/1874161
37   5      12.80%   8877781/69343957
37   6      15.16%   388944073/2565726409
37   7      17.45%   16567713037/94931877133




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Re: Random verse 18:46
« Reply #389 on: October 15, 2014, 12:11:49 PM »
Peace Bahman,

18:46 المال the wealth والبنون and the sons being زىنه adornment الحىاه the life الدنىا the world...

Choose any verse various combinations: gv (geometrical value/abjad), chapter, verse is like throwing dice.

1.   gv
2.   ch, v, gv
3.   ch, gv, v
4.   v, ch, gv
5.   v, gv, ch
6.   gv, ch, v
7.   gv, v, ch


Peace 
A dice has 6 sides
The first  dice here has all six sides same value  for example  gv 
second one  ch.
third one  v

now we try to find which combination of 3 dices is multiple of prime code.
three dices have to sit in order so let us use a glass funnel  which they sit over each other. a

Would you  calculate  number of trail and probability ?