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Bahman

Quote from: Zulf on September 21, 2014, 05:29:46 AM
So in other words, you think God/Allah cannot guide except by the quran (or previous scripture when they were intact)? Have you found such a claim in the quran?
believing  in God do not need any book or Miracle but proof for divinity of words need.

QuoteIt's my opinion that The Creator is not limited by anything, and can guide by any thinkable and unthinkable means. The quran, with or without the C19, can be tools for guidance. Do you think that everyone who has not been guided by the quran will end up in hell?
All God is expecting is in 2:62 regardless what book they follow.

QuoteTo repeat, I have not studied the initials, in any context, C19 or other. So, as far as initials are concerned,
What cause you be repelled from study Miracle and publish your opinion?
Are short of time, or yet have connection with your ex belief and it stops you to do so.?

QuoteI have not been graced by God to understand their meaning and function.
First I'll have to make an effort with sincere intention in that direction... then we'll see.
That is good news, sooner better :)

I don't think the initials are there for fun. Who does?

QuoteRegarding being given understanding of verse by the grace of Allah/God(whatever word you prefer), I was not referring to only the initials. I was referring to the entire text of the quran. Only God can unlock us to understanding. Isn't it so? Is that power with us or with God?

QuoteProve it to whom??? You're talking like atheists who demand scientific proof for God. What is a proof of God's existence?? Is that something that will convince everyone? If not, what are you talking about?
Promoting Quran or any other scripture need solid proof for its divinity which relate to existence of God and 
You are right before 1997 I was agnostic  believing in creation but denial of book and bearers trying to find a sign of invisible  creator like  leaves falling from tree by invisible gravity which  is proof for existence of invisible gravity, so i was expecting something like that simple to understand-impossible to imitate.
Then my search took me to first chapter numerical design and that was end of search and believed Quran is authored by God Alone. Unless somebody can design something.
To understand interconnection of numbers of Alfataha (The Key )needs aliittle knowledge of Arabic alphabet. but 2 months before Rashad;s assassination A.Arik discovered an awesome Miracle :
All is required is knowledge of writing numbers which is same in all languages, and everybody on this screen can read this numbers in English.
http://creatorsignature.com/
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Second of all. If C19 hadn't been there, or you hadn't discovered it yet, would you deny God's existence? Is C19 the only solid thing which enables you to believe in God? If it is, please accept that there are people out there who can see God's signs EVERYWHERE. The entire Creation is a sign of God. If that's not good enough, then the problem is not with the signs, but rather with the observer.

As I explained above i was atheist up to 1987 and then my more studies proofed that there is a creator but as i have written in a letter to daughter( never sent) in Spt 19 1993 i believe in creation but bot scripture and prophets. i considered them wisdom people guiding the human with different ideas which causing such bloody situation. then iwas searching for a solid sign showing that INVISIBLE God .  and now we have Awesome Miracle  just using numbers in indexing in 16 cases prior to read any text
which proves the book is design of superhuman revealed 1400 without computer and is Awesome Miracle when we are so proud of our knowledge and technology in this era.

QuoteWhat?!
So the important thing is not a belief in God and the unseen and doing good deed? The important thing is C19? What do you mean it is too late tomorrow? To late for what exactly?

to morrow is late even next second is late, our birth an death is under God;s control, we should not wait to  last minute to accept God's word by our own understanding not following parents even as a code believer.
There has been people with or without book believing in God but they did not have or have chance be on the line and be informed about, but those that promote Quran on the line should pay attention to Miracle which is initiative for believing in God Alone.
Finally anything God wants here just informing information and digging to show that such complicated system interlocking single verses too which mean if all Quran be destroyed still those numbers are there like DNA in the life.
http://youtu.be/wB92VkbBeMA
Peace and God bless.
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Man of Faith

The initials are indeed meaningful. The letters themselves have innate meanings. Check that in some chapters it begins like ص and the conjunction و which quite well gives away that the letter is supposed to have an intricate albeit primitive meaning.

I have my own work on this subject to this date, but none of it is offical now.

Be of one with God
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Zulf

Thank you for your kind reply brother Bahman

Quote from: Bahman on September 21, 2014, 12:25:44 PM
believing  in God do not need any book or Miracle but proof for divinity of words need.
Alright, now I understand your stand point much better. Thanks for clarifying.

Quote
What cause you be repelled from study Miracle and publish your opinion?
Are short of time, or yet have connection with your ex belief and it stops you to do so.?
Actually, the thing which makes me not look into the C19 right now, is that I have much more important things to deal with right now. So basically it is shortage of time but also due to prioritizing other things.

Luckily I don't have any ex-belief to undo or unlearn. Whatever I believe has been built up step by step from childhood till now, and I never accept anyone's word for it. As of now, I don't have any proof that shows me that C19 is a true fact. Nevertheless, I don't either consider it fake. I've just left it on the shelf for some other time. If it is true, I think it would be wonderful.

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Promoting Quran or any other scripture need solid proof for its divinity which relate to existence of God...
Ok, I understand, but, there will never be solid proof that everyone would agree to. Such is the test of life. You must be pure enough inside, which basically requires a step of surrender along with sincere honesty without hidden motives. Even if C19 is true, everyone won't agree to it. However, we need to be very, very careful not to label such people as rejectors or disbelievers. God knows what we don't know and we should not judge each other in that way. This is what religious people do... label each other as disbelievers.


Thanks for your response
Peace and kind regards
If you name me, you negate me.

Bahman

Quote from: Bahman on September 20, 2014, 06:11:42 PM
17:37
You shall not walk proudly on earth - you cannot bore through the earth, nor can you be as tall as the mountains.
ولا تمش في الأرض مرحا إنك لن تخرق الأرض ولن تبلغ الجبال طولا
6301 40040300 8010 1301200800 4020081 15020 3050 400600200100 1301200800 63050 4002301000 13032130 96301
(37x.............)+19


adding chapter and verse no. 17:37 at start
19x..........
(19x19 x.......) + 19


writing  37 17 .............................
7x............................
(37x...........)  + 17  chapter number.


writing .............................37 17
19x...........................

Peace.
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Bahman

Quote from: Bahman on October 02, 2014, 10:10:58 PM
http://www.techtimes.com/articles/16687/20140930/atheist-stephen-hawking-denies-god-existence-science-more-convincing-explanation-for-universe.htm
I read this news , then it reminded me to publish my search over 2 years ago for first time.
A you read I have written a letter to him and do not know how to bring his attention to this case.



10/04/2012 12:30:32 AM

Dear Stephen Hawking

I am 5 years older than you and never had chance to be educated and understand the cosmic system as you know, if i was  reading your lectures and opinions about creation before age 60 which i was an atheist i would follow you blindly as majority do these days either rejecting God or creating a partner for him from stone and wood and earthly material.

Science and technology in false way not only has caused earth pollution but leading misinformed crowd to atheism hence those religious one are worst when they have have   power to use 600 million dollar for engraving manipulated words of God on their guns to kill other misinformed human to gift them freedom and democracy.

The following is truth and is my own search, i respect all scientist including Hawking but none of them could reject existence of God unless they can imitate digital textual numerical interlock like the one in chapter "The Key". I have deficiency  since 2 years old in my face when nerves died. Hope to find the truth before i leave.



09/04/2012 5:03:35 PM



It was round 4 pm when I came back from picking lily Tiger flowers plant and replanting those in my resident yard. I am not sure why it came my mind the verse that talks about a person rejecting God;s proof and god says we bend or bow his neck , I was thinking about my friend which has Parkinson for last at least 18-19 years ago, about 89 years ago  years I brought him to my place for few days which hardly could walk with cane and helping him, at the end of visit  due his knowledge in mathematic I asked him to look at text design of chapter key to examine it and tell me if is man made. He exploded chanting and giving all kind words to God  and telling me that I am wasting my time on garbage without looking into the case.

I broke off with him since then up to 2 weeks ago when our common friend told me that his condition is worsening and getting close to end, I arranged and 2 0f us visited him which was saddening to see how his neck was bended to his chest.  Since then I was asking if the verse is talking about my friend is not famous and not many people know him, his rejection or acceptance do not make any change , when God  is talking about a person that well known around the word and majority of well educated one blindly follow his confusion, and that was suddenly came to my mind to come and re read the verses and see if there is any indication for famous scientist hence his neck is bowed too.
Stephen Hawking
Google search resulted :


About 14,900,000 results (0.28 seconds)

Then this file

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/may/15/stephen-hawking-interview-there-is-no-heaven

Stephen Hawking: 'There is no heaven; it's a fairy story'





Stephen Hawking says universe not created by God
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/sep/02/stephen-hawking-big-bang-creator?intcmp=239
26



26:1
T. S. M.*١:٢٦  طسم
*26:1 See Appendix 1 for the significance of these previously mysterious  letters.
26:2
These (letters) constitute proofs of this clarifying scripture ٢:٢٦  تِلْكَ ءايَتُ الْكِتَبِ الْمُبِينِ
26:3
You may blame yourself that they are not believers ٣:٢٦  لَعَلَّكَ بَخِعٌ نَفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ
26:4
If we will, we can send from the sky a sign that forces their necks to bow:٢٦  إِنْ نَشَأْ نُنَزِّلْ عَلَيْهِمْ مِنْ السَّمَاءِ ءايَةً فَظَلَّتْ أَعْنَقُهُمْ لَهَا خَضِعِينَ
The Quran's Mathematical Code
26:5
Whenever a reminder from the Most Gracious comes to them, that is new, they turn away in aversion.٥:٢٦  وَمَا يَأْتِيهِمْ مِنْ ذِكْرٍ مِنْ الرَّحْمَنِ مُحْدَثٍ إِلَّا كَانُوا عَنْهُ مُعْرِضِينَ
26:6
Since they disbelieved, they have incurred the consequences of their heedlessness.٦:٢٦  فَقَدْ كَذَّبُوا فَسَيَأْتِيهِمْ أَنْبَؤا مَا كَانُوا بِهِ يَسْتَهْزِءون
26:7
Have they not seen the earth, and how many kinds of beautiful plants we have grown thereon?٧:٢٦  أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَمْ أَنْبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ
26:8
This should be a sufficient proof for them, but most of them are not believers.٨:٢٦  إِنَّ فِى ذَلِكَ لَاءيَةً وَمَا كَانَ أَكْثَرُهُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ


T. S. M

طسم

96040=

7x7x7x7x40

  طسم

96040

تِلْكَ ءايَتُ الْكِتَبِ الْمُبِينِ

4003020 1110400 130204002 1304021050

لَعَلَّكَ بَخِعٌ نَفْسَكَ أَلَّا يَكُونُوا مُؤْمِنِينَ

30703020 260070 50806020 1301 102065061 40640501050

إِنْ نَشَأْ نُنَزِّلْ عَلَيْهِمْ مِنْ السَّمَاءِ ءايَةً فَظَلَّتْ أَعْنَقُهُمْ لَهَا خَضِعِينَ

150 503001 5050730 703010540 4050 130604011 11105 8090030400 17050100540 3051 600800701050

وَمَا يَأْتِيهِمْ مِنْ ذِكْرٍ مِنْ الرَّحْمَنِ مُحْدَثٍ إِلَّا كَانُوا عَنْهُ مُعْرِضِينَ

6401 10140010540 4050 70020200 4050 13020084050 4084500 1301 2015061 70505 40702008001050

فَقَدْ كَذَّبُوا فَسَيَأْتِيهِمْ أَنْبَؤا مَا كَانُوا بِهِ يَسْتَهْزِءون

801004 20700261 806010140010540 150261 401 2015061 25 1060400571650

أَوَلَمْ يَرَوْا إِلَى الْأَرْضِ كَمْ أَنْبَتْنَا فِيهَا مِنْ كُلِّ زَوْجٍ كَرِيمٍ

163040 1020061 13010 1301200800 2040 1502400501 801051 4050 2030 763 202001040

  إِنَّ فِى ذَلِكَ لَاءيَةً وَمَا كَانَ أَكْثَرُهُمْ مُؤْمِنِينَ

150 8010 7003020 3011105 6401 20150 120500200540 40640501050

7x7x.........



استفن هاوکینک

160200905051620105020


4003020 1110400 130204002 1304021050

30703020 260070 50806020 1301 102065061 40640501050

150 503001 5050730 703010540 4050 130604011 11105 8090030400 17050100540 3051 600800701050

6401 10140010540 4050 70020200 4050 13020084050 4084500 1301 2015061 70505 40702008001050

801004 20700261 806010140010540 150261 401 2015061 25 1060400571650

163040 1020061 13010 1301200800 2040 1502400501 801051 4050 2030 763 20200104026

150 8010 7003020 3011105 6401 20150 120500200540 40640501050

19x?..

109

450 412 453 133

150 672 210 32 93 196

51 351 137 155 90 133 17 1410 266 36 1530

47 466 90 920 90 329 552 32 78 125 1170

184 729 606 60 41 78 7 539

77 217 41 1032 60 504 96 90 50 16 270

51 90 750 47 47 71 766 196

19x...............................



0 4 19  1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289

1 1 3  1 3 96040 109

2 4 18  1 3 4003020 450 2 4 1110400 412 3 5 130204002 453 4 6 1304021050 133

3 6 26  1 4 30703020 150 2 3 260070 672 3 4 50806020 210 4 3 1301 32 5 6 102065061 93 6 6 40640501050 196

4 11 44  1 2 150 51 2 3 503001 351 3 4 5050730 137 4 5 703010540 155 5 2 4050 90 6 6 130604011 133 7 4 11105 17 8 4 8090030400 1410 9 6 17050100540 266 10 3 3051 36 11 5 600800701050 1530

5 11 43  1 3 6401 47 2 6 10140010540 466 3 2 4050 90 4 3 70020200 920 5 2 4050 90 6 6 13020084050 329 7 4 4084500 552 8 3 1301 32 9 5 2015061 78 10 3 70505 125 11 6 40702008001050 1170

6 8 38  1 3 801004 184 2 5 20700261 729 3 8 806010140010540 606 4 5 150261 60 5 2 401 41 6 5 2015061 78 7 2 25 7 8 8 1060400571650 539

7 11 39  1 4 163040 77 2 4 1020061 217 3 3 13010 41 4 5 1301200800 1032 5 2 2040 60 6 6 1502400501 504 7 4 801051 96 8 2 4050 90 9 2 2030 50 10 3 763 16 11 4 202001040 270

8 8 30  1 2 150 51 2 2 8010 90 3 3 7003020 750 4 5 3011105 47 5 3 6401 47 6 3 20150 71 7 6 120500200540 766 8 6 40640501050 196

7x.........
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Hawking


77 letters

21:30



163040 10200 1307001050 208020061 150 13060406400 61301200800 201504001 2004001001 8080400100505401 637030501 4050 1304011 2030 300101 810 180301 1064050650

7x?

استفن هاوکینک

160200905051620105020


26

4 19  1 3 26040 102 2 4 130305 66 3 6 13020084050 329 4 6 13020081040 289

1 1 3  1 3 96040 109

2 4 18  1 3 4003020 450 2 4 1110400 412 3 5 130204002 453 4 6 1304021050 133

3 6 26  1 4 30703020 150 2 3 260070 672 3 4 50806020 210 4 3 1301 32 5 6 102065061 93 6 6 40640501050 196

4 11 44  1 2 150 51 2 3 503001 351 3 4 5050730 137 4 5 703010540 155 5 2 4050 90 6 6 130604011 133 7 4 11105 17 8 4 8090030400 1410 9 6 17050100540 266 10 3 3051 36 11 5 600800701050 1530

5 11 43  1 3 6401 47 2 6 10140010540 466 3 2 4050 90 4 3 70020200 920 5 2 4050 90 6 6 13020084050 329 7 4 4084500 552 8 3 1301 32 9 5 2015061 78 10 3 70505 125 11 6 40702008001050 1170

6 8 38  1 3 801004 184 2 5 20700261 729 3 8 806010140010540 606 4 5 150261 60 5 2 401 41 6 5 2015061 78 7 2 25 7 8 8 1060400571650 539

7 11 39  1 4 163040 77 2 4 1020061 217 3 3 13010 41 4 5 1301200800 1032 5 2 2040 60 6 6 1502400501 504 7 4 801051 96 8 2 4050 90 9 2 2030 50 10 3 763 16 11 4 202001040 270

8 8 30  1 2 150 51 2 2 8010 90 3 3 7003020 750 4 5 3011105 47 5 3 6401 47 6 3 20150 71 7 6 120500200540 766 8 6 40640501050 196

7x7x......................................

26 1  1 3  1 3 960 40 109
7x............
261 1 3  1 3 96040 109  استفن هاوکینک

160200905051620105020


19x.........

استفن هاوکینک

160200905051620105020

26
1 1 3  1 3 96040 109
2 4 18  1 3 4003020 450 2 4 1110400 412 3 5 130204002 453 4 6 1304021050 133
3 6 26  1 4 30703020 150 2 3 260070 672 3 4 50806020 210 4 3 1301 32 5 6 102065061 93 6 6 40640501050 196
4 11 44  1 2 150 51 2 3 503001 351 3 4 5050730 137 4 5 703010540 155 5 2 4050 90 6 6 130604011 133 7 4 11105 17 8 4 8090030400 1410 9 6 17050100540 266 10 3 3051 36 11 5 600800701050 1530
5 11 43  1 3 6401 47 2 6 10140010540 466 3 2 4050 90 4 3 70020200 920 5 2 4050 90 6 6 13020084050 329 7 4 4084500 552 8 3 1301 32 9 5 2015061 78 10 3 70505 125 11 6 40702008001050 1170
6 8 38  1 3 801004 184 2 5 20700261 729 3 8 806010140010540 606 4 5 150261 60 5 2 401 41 6 5 2015061 78 7 2 25 7 8 8 1060400571650 539
7 11 39  1 4 163040 77 2 4 1020061 217 3 3 13010 41 4 5 1301200800 1032 5 2 2040 60 6 6 1502400501 504 7 4 801051 96 8 2 4050 90 9 2 2030 50 10 3 763 16 11 4 202001040 270
8 8 30  1 2 150 51 2 2 8010 90 3 3 7003020 750 4 5 3011105 47 5 3 6401 47 6 3 20150 71 7 6 120500200540 766 8 6 40640501050 196
7x...................
1 1 3  1 3 96040 109

2 4 18  1 3 4003020 450 2 4 1110400 412 3 5 130204002 453 4 6 1304021050 133

3 6 26  1 4 30703020 150 2 3 260070 672 3 4 50806020 210 4 3 1301 32 5 6 102065061 93 6 6 40640501050 196

4 11 44  1 2 150 51 2 3 503001 351 3 4 5050730 137 4 5 703010540 155 5 2 4050 90 6 6 130604011 133 7 4 11105 17 8 4 8090030400 1410 9 6 17050100540 266 10 3 3051 36 11 5 600800701050 1530

5 11 43  1 3 6401 47 2 6 10140010540 466 3 2 4050 90 4 3 70020200 920 5 2 4050 90 6 6 13020084050 329 7 4 4084500 552 8 3 1301 32 9 5 2015061 78 10 3 70505 125 11 6 40702008001050 1170

6 8 38  1 3 801004 184 2 5 20700261 729 3 8 806010140010540 606 4 5 150261 60 5 2 401 41 6 5 2015061 78 7 2 25 7 8 8 1060400571650 539

7 11 39  1 4 163040 77 2 4 1020061 217 3 3 13010 41 4 5 1301200800 1032 5 2 2040 60 6 6 1502400501 504 7 4 801051 96 8 2 4050 90 9 2 2030 50 10 3 763 16 11 4 202001040 270

8 8 30  1 2 150 51 2 2 8010 90 3 3 7003020 750 4 5 3011105 47 5 3 6401 47 6 3 20150 71 7 6 120500200540 766 8 6 40640501050 196 استفن هاوکینک

160200905051620105020


19x7x..............

4 11 44  1 2 150 51 2 3 503001 351 3 4 5050730 137 4 5 703010540 155 5 2 4050 90 6 6 130604011 133 7 4 11105 17 8 4 8090030400 1410 9 6 17050100540 266 10 3 3051 36 11 5 600800701050 1530
7x.........

4/11/2012 1:08:38 AM

Updated

09/09/2014 10:37:08 PM
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Peace everybody, due to sensetivity of this case i had to publish it now , you input and opinion is important if you find any flaw digitally.
Asking for forgiveness from God Alone if this search is wrong.
Peace.
PS
This face :& is embedded in Arabic text and i can not see it to clear.!
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JavaLatte

[Qur'an, 6:111]

And (even) if We sent down to them the angels, and the dead spoke to them, and We gathered before them everything face to face, they still would not believe (sure) except if God wills. But most of them are ignorant.
[33:72] Verily, We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to bear it and they were afraid of it; but man bear it - verily, he was transgressing, ignorant.

Bahman

Quote from: JavaLatte on October 03, 2014, 01:50:12 AM
[Qur'an, 6:111]

And (even) if We sent down to them the angels, and the dead spoke to them, and We gathered before them everything face to face, they still would not believe (sure) except if God wills. But most of them are ignorant.
ولو أننا نزلنا إليهم الملئكة وكلمهم الموتى وحشرنا عليهم كل شيء قبلا ما كانوا ليؤمنوا إلا أن يشاء الله ولكن أكثرهم يجهلون
6306 150501 50730501 13010540 130403010205 6203040540 13040640010 68300200501 703010540 2030 300101 1002301 401 2015061 30106405061 1301 150 1030011 130305 6302050 120500200540 103530650,111,6
7x............
7x7x........+(7x2)
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JavaLatte

I suppose from the Qur'an itself we can conclude that even if there is mathematical miracle in the Qur'an, people would not believe except if God wills.

God is fully aware of those who are willing to be guided.  :)

Salām. 
[33:72] Verily, We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to bear it and they were afraid of it; but man bear it - verily, he was transgressing, ignorant.

Man of Faith

I dislike this "believe unless God wills", because God speaks of becoming of one (whole) and it does not happen unless God wills. It removes the responsibility of men and women themselves of guilt for not being rational and of sound judgment. But in fact the word does not mean believe for iman/amen.

To be of one, the person needs to be doing the right things and be in the light

Be of one with God
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