Why Remove 9:127&129?

[shukri]

Salaam,

I don't see [fake] aayaat numbers in your calculations above, how will you decide which are those two aayaat which are false?
Any aayat that you would like to remove is OK? Better remove aayat number "9" because your calculations shows "9" thrice. One for the sura 9 and other one for aayat number 9 and third one is to stress that aayat number 9 only.

Salaam ,


The prophecy of aayats 2:79 & 3:78 just indicates that Chapter 9 carries two false aayats in-general term ...

To determine the specific aayats other methods ... for instance code 19 is used ...

http://masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix24.html
(Section : the physical evidence)

Thanks .

[mmkhan]

Salaam ,

The prophecy of aayats 2:79 & 3:78 just indicates that Chapter 9 carries two false aayats in-general term ...

To determine the specific aayats other methods ... for instance code 19 is used ...

http://masjidtucson.org/quran/appendices/appendix24.html
(Section : the physical evidence)

Thanks .

Salaam,

I am surprised to see the link given. Many hadithes has been quoted. Sorry, I don't believe in any hadith except for alQuraan.
And very few aayaat were quoted which can be used in another context too.

15:9 is quoted and mentioned clearly that "Surely, we have revealed this message, and surely, we will preserve it." then what you people are trying to do.

- Did Allah asked us to verify the book whether it is properly preserved by Me or not?
- Why Allah need people to help Him?
- Is He not enough Himself to protect it?
- And is the method used is authorized by Allah?
- There are many many more questions arising. I could just say that may Allah protect you people.

Your way is no more different than the ways of sunnis and shias. Like read this aayat 200 times and say these words 500 times, etc. They never call other to Allah but they make the use of alQuraan in such a way that people gets away from it actually. And still be satisfied that they are the believer of alQuraan. The same thing I can see with you people, calling others to some 19 code and actually keeping people away from Allah's original message. And indeed people get so busy calculating 19s that they don't have time to get back to Allah or look at what the actual message is in alQuraan.

No offence intended, I felt very sad after going through the link. If you don't like what I said and if you don't even want to give it a second thought, then please feel free to throw it in trash.


May Allah protect us from the tricks of shayaateena and guide us on His path
mmKhan

[shukri]

Salaam,

I am surprised to see the link given. Many hadithes has been quoted. Sorry, I don't believe in any hadith except for alQuraan.
And very few aayaat were quoted which can be used in another context too.

Salaam ,

Just go to section " the physical evidence" of the website ... don't bother about other sections .

15:9 is quoted and mentioned clearly that "Surely, we have revealed this message, and surely, we will preserve it." then what you people are trying to do.

- Did Allah asked us to verify the book whether it is properly preserved by Me or not?
- Why Allah need people to help Him?
- Is He not enough Himself to protect it?
- And is the method used is authorized by Allah?
- There are many many more questions arising. I could just say that may Allah protect you people.

People need proofs ... without irrefutable proofs it's null and void .

Thanks .

[mmkhan]

Salaam ,

Just go to section " the physical evidence" of the website ... don't bother about other sections .

People need proofs ... without irrefutable proofs it's null and void .

Thanks .

Salaam,

Brother, you did not get back with the answers on questions asked. But you came up with the statement "people need proofs" even then, Allah gives them proofs until they get satisfied 41:53. And it is His duty not ours.

And He never asked us to count and count and count and count the numbers and do not even look at what the real message it towards people. I see many people spending their whole life counting the numbers and trying to somehow fit the numbers to be divisible by 19 and they never look at the instruction dos and don'ts set by Allah in alQuraan for us.

Even if what we have today as alQuraan is corrupted or something is added to it or removed, we are not going to answer for that. Because Allah will not ask you for something that you have not done. But whatever we got today as alQuraan IS our syllabus and we have to answer from that syllabus about our deeds, nothing more, inshaAllah.


May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path
mmKhan

[Man of Faith]

I have wondered what contextually is wrong with 9:128-129. The mercy of a human?

The common translations of them are however inaccurate and need some reinterpretation.

Salaam

[JavaLatte]

And He never asked us to count and count and count and count the numbers and do not even look at what the real message it towards people. I see many people spending their whole life counting the numbers and trying to somehow fit the numbers to be divisible by 19 and they never look at the instruction dos and don'ts set by Allah in alQuraan for us.

Like, except the *brickwall* part. 

I personally consider that the removal of two verses (9:128-129) from the Qur'an is an act of insolent.

[grandopolis]

Peace bro "layth",

JK- Bro weve discussed this before and i showed you why code-19 does not allow for the approach you claim. I thought youd have revised tht view. Here see:
http://19.org/forum/index.php/m/20207/222/#msg_20207
One of the basic problems with your assertion is that warsh has ONE LESS word "allah" in 2:284 as compared to "hafs". thus if you exclude "allah" of 1:1 which is unnumbered in warsh, you still dont get 2698 BUT 2697 words "allah".

Bro Edip also wanted to discuss this with you personally over a "cup of tea" remember? THEN he decided to do it in chat and not wait. Did you two have tht conversation? http://19.org/forum/index.php/m/19413/222/#msg_19413 downwards. GOD Bless!

Last but not least code-19 had made predictions before and it will GW do so again. Should we unravel the oldest possible manuscripts we wont find in them the phrases in 9:128&129. IGOD Bless

BOTH HAFS AND WARS HAVE 3x the word GOD in it???

[grandopolis]

Peace bro "layth",

JK- Goto http://www.submission.org/quran/protect.html and type in "adding whole words" in the "find on page" option. Youll see that in the warsh text theres "huwa" in the last phrase(wa HUWA 'ala kulli shayin qadeer) instead of "allah" there. Besides this is by long not the only factor.

JK- NO it is not as ive shown many times. Why cant you wait till we find the oldest possible manuscripts and then argue your case?

JK- It's been more than THREE years ago and yet you couldnt have a voice conversation with bro Edip. Please do it right away and dont delay no more otherwise tomorrow will never come  .

JK- HOW can you say that no such manuscript exists? Please say we didnt find it yet, as before 1999 and Atlantics Monthly the tashkent Quran was also not known. Sunnis/shia for years never knew more or had access to more than the hafs version which was circulated everywhere in the market. GOD Bless!

AGAIN A FALSE CLAIM! THERE ARE NO DIFFERENCES IN THE LETTERS, WORDS AND VERSE USED IN THE "HAFS" AND "WARS" EDITION!

WHAT KIND OF SITES DO YOU VISIT? ARE YOU CHANGING THE WORD OF GOD TO FIT YOUR OWN DESIRES?

May my Lord protect me and guide me and increase my knowledge and wisdom.

Peace.

[grandopolis]

Salam Jim19,

Please explain why 1230 and 6003010805 produce multiples of 19 in a verse such as 7:53 that warns of wrong interpretation?

Do they look for aught else but its interpretation? The day its interpretation comes, those who before forgot it shall say, 'Indeed, our Lord's Messengers came with the truth. Have we then any intercessors to intercede for us, or shall we be returned, to do other than that we have done?' ... [7:53]  Gv = 530 1050900200650 1301 4001610305 10640 10140010 4001610305 10100630 1307001050 506065 4050 100230 1004 31400 2006030 2002501 21308100 80530 30501 4050 30080701 8010300807061 30501 16 502004 8050704030 100010200 13070010 20501 50704030

1. The above GV and Rashad Khalifah = 1230 is a multiple of 19!
530 1050900200650 1301 4001610305 10640 10140010 4001610305 10100630 1307001050 506065 4050 100230 1004 31400 2006030 2002501 21308100 80530 30501 4050 30080701 8010300807061 30501 16 502004 8050704030 100010200 13070010 20501 50704030 1230 = 19 x ...000

2. The above GV and Khalifah = 6003010805  is a multiple of 19!
530 1050900200650 1301 4001610305 10640 10140010 4001610305 10100630 1307001050 506065 4050 100230 1004 31400 2006030 2002501 21308100 80530 30501 4050 30080701 8010300807061 30501 16 502004 8050704030 100010200 13070010 20501 50704030 6003010805 = 19 x ...000

God bless you

        Hati




GV =

WHAT IS A GV?

[grandopolis]

Shalom Hati

God hasn't problem for to show the future for his messengers  it's only for to see if people if they believe by his messengers or not , you didn't see God is show us some of his future in Quran ? do you think god will not test us ? I'm sorry to talk with you on this subject because you don't believe that Rashad was a messenger I am sorry if i disturbed you .
[72:26] He is the Knower of the future; He does not reveal the future to anyone.

[72:27] Only to a messenger that He chooses, does He reveal from the past and the future, specific news.

almost all the scholars muslim says that the verse 28 chapter 72 talk about God , [72:28] This is to ascertain that they have delivered their Lord's messages. He is fully aware of what they have. He has counted the numbers of all things.   I 'd like to inform you that God is knew everything the past, and the future, he don't need for conting everything, then God before to revealed the God's scripture to his Propohet Muhammad is counted the three leters Alef Lam Meem ? God is the most wise , God no one can to imagine him , he is our lord, who we need to obey , La Elaha Ella Allah

Abdias( Abdallah)
Shalom

Shalom halaichem,

Are you from Israel?

Shalom,