Why Remove 9:127&129?

[Nun de plume]

Quran - 89:3

WaalshshafAAi waalwatri
And/by the even number, and the odd.

If you want to explore a possibility, look into the original symmetry being preserved...

6555   6236   12791   6236   6555

Think of the 12791 number as like a hash key perhaps.

Peace all,

All solved!!! Qur'an has an amazing structure which is unique and works only with all chapters and verses including 9:128-129 without which the perfectly balanced architecture falls apart?

60 Even verses = 30 e-e + 30 o-e   

54 Odd verses = 27 o-o + 27 e-o   


Surah   #Verses       S+V    57 Even   57 Odd    

1............7............8............8...........
2..........286..........288..........288...........
3..........200..........203.....................203
4..........176..........180..........180...........
5..........120..........125.....................125
6..........165..........171.....................171
7..........206..........213.....................213
8...........75...........83......................83
9..........129..........138..........138...........
10.........109..........119.....................119
11.........123..........134..........134...........
12.........111..........123.....................123
13..........43...........56...........56...........
14..........52...........66...........66...........
15..........99..........114..........114...........
16.........128..........144..........144...........
17.........111..........128..........128...........
18.........110..........128..........128...........
19..........98..........117.....................117
20.........135..........155.....................155
21.........112..........133.....................133
22..........78..........100..........100...........
23.........118..........141.....................141
24..........64...........88...........88...........
25..........77..........102..........102...........
26.........227..........253.....................253
27..........93..........120..........120...........
28..........88..........116..........116...........
29..........69...........98...........98...........
30..........60...........90...........90...........
31..........34...........65......................65
32..........30...........62...........62..........
33..........73..........106..........106..........
34..........54...........88...........88..........
35..........45...........80...........80..........
36..........83..........119.....................119
37.........182..........219.....................219
38..........88..........126..........126...........
39..........75..........114..........114..........
40..........85..........125.....................125
41..........54...........95......................95
42..........53...........95......................95
43..........89..........132..........132...........
44..........59..........103.....................103
45..........37...........82...........82...........
46..........35...........81......................81
47..........38...........85......................85
48..........29...........77......................77
49..........18...........67......................67
50..........45...........95......................95
51..........60..........111.....................111
52..........49..........101.....................101
53..........62..........115.....................115
54..........55..........109.....................109
55..........78..........133.....................133
56..........96..........152..........152...........
57..........29...........86...........86...........
                     
1-57...................6757.........3126........3631 <--------Midway checkpoint

6757 3126 3631 = 19 x 35564803349

1st Half...27 Even Verses ! 29 Odd Verses
   
            
2nd Half...29 Even Verses ! 27 Odd Verses         

58..........22...........80...........80..........
59..........24...........83......................83
60..........13...........73......................73
61..........14...........75......................75
62..........11...........73......................73
63..........11...........74...........74..........
64..........18...........82...........82..........
65..........12...........77......................77
66..........12...........78...........78..........
67..........30...........97......................97
68..........52..........120..........120..........
69..........52..........121.....................121
70..........44..........114..........114..........
71..........28...........99......................99
72..........28..........100..........100..........
73..........20...........93......................93
74..........56..........130..........130..........
75..........40..........115.....................115
76..........31..........107.....................107
77..........50..........127.....................127
78..........40..........118..........118..........
79..........46..........125.....................125
80..........42..........122..........122..........
81..........29..........110..........110..........
82..........19..........101.....................101
83..........36..........119.....................119
84..........25..........109.....................109
85..........22..........107.....................107
86..........17..........103.....................103
87..........19..........106..........106..........
88..........26..........114..........114..........
89..........30..........119.....................119
90..........20..........110..........110..........
91..........15..........106..........106..........
92..........21..........113.....................113
93..........11..........104..........104..........
94...........8..........102..........102..........
95...........8..........103.....................103
96..........19..........115.....................115
97...........5..........102..........102..........
98...........8..........106..........106..........
99...........8..........107.....................107
100.........11..........111.....................111
101.........11..........112..........112..........
102..........8..........110..........110..........
103..........3..........106..........106..........
104..........9..........113.....................113
105..........5..........110..........110..........
106..........4..........110..........110..........
107..........7..........114..........114..........
108..........3..........111.....................111
109..........6..........115.....................115
110..........3..........113.....................113
111..........5..........116..........116..........
112..........4..........116..........116..........
113..........5..........118..........118..........
114..........6..........120..........120..........

58-114...........6034..........3110.......2924 <-------- last half checkpoint

3110  6034  2924 = 19 x 16371596996

Totals 1-114

6555.......6236........12791........6236........6555


6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989


6555 = 19 x 345


Here's a summary of the balance and symmetry once again...

http://www.simetrikkitap.com/subject1.pdf

Peace

[Bahman]

Peace:

Here's a summary of the balance and symmetry once again...

http://www.simetrikkitap.com/subject1.pdf

Who discovered the code? you or your site?
God support his Messenger and his works. if devil led you and your friends to manipulate God's Miracle for supporting your IDOL  then He inspires  believers  to discover such pattern that you and all you masters  not able to touch it.

Can you manipolute  this too ?

How about  this one.?

Satan is smart too but in wrong path. 
wasting our time 74:31 
Peace.

[Nun de plume]

Peace:

Who discovered the code? you or your site?
God support his Messenger and his works. if devil led you and your friends to manipulate God's Miracle for supporting your IDOL  then He inspires  believers  to discover such pattern that you and all you masters  not able to touch it.

Can you manipolute  this too ?

How about  this one.?

Satan is smart too but in wrong path. 
wasting our time 74:31 
Peace.

The above perfect symmetry bothers you greatly. The structure of Quran was given with exactly 114 chapters and 6236 verses including verses 9:1-129.

Quran - 89:3

WaalshshafAAi waalwatri
And/by the even, and the odd.


Binary Code In The Quran
http://muslim-defence.com/BSC.aspx

As for code discovery, it was your IDOL inspired by devils and hadith along with his ego who removed two verses.

This is proof to set things right.

60 Even verses = 30 e-e + 30 o-e   

54 Odd verses = 27 o-o + 27 e-o   

Surah   #Verses       S+V    57 Even   57 Odd    

1............7............8............8...........
2..........286..........288..........288...........
3..........200..........203.....................203
4..........176..........180..........180...........
5..........120..........125.....................125
6..........165..........171.....................171
7..........206..........213.....................213
8...........75...........83......................83
9..........129..........138..........138...........
10.........109..........119.....................119
11.........123..........134..........134...........
12.........111..........123.....................123
13..........43...........56...........56...........
14..........52...........66...........66...........
15..........99..........114..........114...........
16.........128..........144..........144...........
17.........111..........128..........128...........
18.........110..........128..........128...........
19..........98..........117.....................117
20.........135..........155.....................155
21.........112..........133.....................133
22..........78..........100..........100...........
23.........118..........141.....................141
24..........64...........88...........88...........
25..........77..........102..........102...........
26.........227..........253.....................253
27..........93..........120..........120...........
28..........88..........116..........116...........
29..........69...........98...........98...........
30..........60...........90...........90...........
31..........34...........65......................65
32..........30...........62...........62..........
33..........73..........106..........106..........
34..........54...........88...........88..........
35..........45...........80...........80..........
36..........83..........119.....................119
37.........182..........219.....................219
38..........88..........126..........126...........
39..........75..........114..........114..........
40..........85..........125.....................125
41..........54...........95......................95
42..........53...........95......................95
43..........89..........132..........132...........
44..........59..........103.....................103
45..........37...........82...........82...........
46..........35...........81......................81
47..........38...........85......................85
48..........29...........77......................77
49..........18...........67......................67
50..........45...........95......................95
51..........60..........111.....................111
52..........49..........101.....................101
53..........62..........115.....................115
54..........55..........109.....................109
55..........78..........133.....................133
56..........96..........152..........152...........
57..........29...........86...........86...........
                     
1-57...................6757.........3126........3631 <--------1st checkpoint


6757 3126 3631 = 19 x 35564803349

58..........22...........80...........80..........
59..........24...........83......................83
60..........13...........73......................73
61..........14...........75......................75
62..........11...........73......................73
63..........11...........74...........74..........
64..........18...........82...........82..........
65..........12...........77......................77
66..........12...........78...........78..........
67..........30...........97......................97
68..........52..........120..........120..........
69..........52..........121.....................121
70..........44..........114..........114..........
71..........28...........99......................99
72..........28..........100..........100..........
73..........20...........93......................93
74..........56..........130..........130..........
75..........40..........115.....................115
76..........31..........107.....................107
77..........50..........127.....................127
78..........40..........118..........118..........
79..........46..........125.....................125
80..........42..........122..........122..........
81..........29..........110..........110..........
82..........19..........101.....................101
83..........36..........119.....................119
84..........25..........109.....................109
85..........22..........107.....................107
86..........17..........103.....................103
87..........19..........106..........106..........
88..........26..........114..........114..........
89..........30..........119.....................119
90..........20..........110..........110..........
91..........15..........106..........106..........
92..........21..........113.....................113
93..........11..........104..........104..........
94...........8..........102..........102..........
95...........8..........103.....................103
96..........19..........115.....................115
97...........5..........102..........102..........
98...........8..........106..........106..........
99...........8..........107.....................107
100.........11..........111.....................111
101.........11..........112..........112..........
102..........8..........110..........110..........
103..........3..........106..........106..........
104..........9..........113.....................113
105..........5..........110..........110..........
106..........4..........110..........110..........
107..........7..........114..........114..........
108..........3..........111.....................111
109..........6..........115.....................115
110..........3..........113.....................113
111..........5..........116..........116..........
112..........4..........116..........116..........
113..........5..........118..........118..........
114..........6..........120..........120..........

58-114...........6034..........3110.......2924 <-------- middle checkpoint 2nd half

3110  6034  2924 = 19 x 16371596996


Totals 1-114

6555.......6236........12791........6236........6555 <-------- last checkpoint 


6236 6555 12791 = 19 x 328245026989


6555 = 19 x 345


Here's a summary of the balance and symmetry once again...
http://www.simetrikkitap.com/subject1.pdf

Works beautifully....

9:129 But if they turn away, say: "All?h is sufficient for me. L? il?ha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), in Him I put my trust and He is the Lord of the Mighty Throne."

Peace

[Bahman]

You are running away from my question like zebra 

Peace:

Who discovered the code? you or your site?
God support his Messenger and his works. if devil led you and your friends to manipulate God's Miracle for supporting your IDOL  then He inspires  believers  to discover such pattern that you and all you masters  not able to touch it.

Can you manipolute  this too ?

How about  this one.?
wasting our time 74:31 
Peace.

[Nun de plume]

You are running away from my question like zebra 

The REAL code has been discovered in this thread!!!

The omission of two verses and all things associated with it FALSE!!!

RK messenger your false code IDOL 1974, under 40 go to heaven, bs etc., everything proven FALSE!!!

btw, this is the 114 (19x6) reply to this thread.

bye -- nun de plume aka zebra  <--- 19th character

[Bahman]

The REAL code has been discovered in this thread!!!

The omission of two verses and all things associated with it FALSE!!!

RK messenger your false code IDOL 1974, under 40 go to heaven, bs etc., everything proven FALSE!!!

btw, this is the 114 (19x6) reply to this thread.

bye -- nun de plume aka zebra  <--- 19th character

74:31

[Asfandyar]

Salam Bahman,

Salam Bahman,

I hope you are not thinking that I am a "19er". There is very little of what you know as Code 19 that I believe in as I believe that it does NOT preserve the Qur'an and it relies on sheer probability, forced results, inconsistent counting methods and tampering with the data set. I am also strongly AGAINST THE REMOVAL of 9:128-129.

However, it is good to see that we agree on some issues such as the Q-Count, most of the Bismillah Count (I believe that the Allah count is 2699, however. I believe that this has a special significance and I have discussed this earlier in the thread), and A.Arik's discovery (although, unlike the khalifites (who follow Hafs), I follow the Warsh [almost universally considered more accurate than Hafs] verse structure in which the interlocking "miracle" works WITH 9:128-129!!!).

When I have more time I will discuss my positions in more detail (especially about the interlocking "miracle").

Peace,

Asfandyar

41:42
2:2

Sorry, but after verification, A.Arik's "miracle" does not work with Warsh either (even after the removal of 9:128-129 [9:129-130 in Warsh])!

This strenghtens my position of believing that the "miracle" is within probability and acted as the fitna/trial for disbelievers within the Qur'an Alone as they would see who would follow the hadith over the Qur'an within the Qur'an Alone movement (even today "submitters" follow the teachings [essentialy hadith] of RK and the muhammadan hadith in the form of "Abrahamic Tradition").

Also, the "great preservation miracle" does NOT protect the Qur'an (as I have proven to Khizer) anyway and it is well within the bounds of probability - Basic arithmetic laws state that a "code" like A.Arik's would be found in ~1/19 books which is hardly miraculous.

As for your 16 cases (and the rest of Code 19 for that matter), one must apply these tests to them:

1: It must have been achieved by using a consistent counting method (for instance, if one ignores a word as it is attributed to a human then all similar words attributed to humans must be excluded in both that count and similar counts).

2: It must have been achieved using one data set (for instance, if one decides to count the Tashkent Qur'an one must not switch to the Hafs Qur'an for that count or any other count otherwise one would simply be forcing the result [e.g. one could force a certain letter count to be a multiple of 19 by counting some from Hafs and others from Tashkent and/orone could claim that the Tashkent overrides Warsh in one instance, but in another use Warsh over Tashkent etc.]).

3: It must have a less than 1/19 probability (with counts searching for 19 divisibles, in ANY book you would have a 1/19 chance of getting them - this is hardly miraculous yet the probability claimed by 19ers is usually claimed to be less than 1/19 as they hide their failed attempts!).

The only Code 19 "miracles" (that I know of) that have passed these tests are the Q-Count and the Bismillah "miracle".

Also, we are seeing pieces of a preservation mechanism within the Qur'an being slowly revelaed to us: Not only must one have not inserted any false scientific information (even in the past where much of their science has been proven to be false) but, without knowledge of their existence, one must not have tampered with the Year, Month, Day, etc. count, one must not have broken the "land & sea miracle", one must not have broken the binary code (beyond probability and preserves the Qur'an from all those who do not know of its existence - it was only discovered recently when there were so many copies of the Qur'an all around the world that tampering with the Qur'an now is almost impossible anyway) and one must not have tampered with the "Bismillah miracle" (I have also stated my reasons for believing why the Allah count at one more than a 19 multiple is singificant - this also fits with the binary code).

Peace,

Asfandyar

41:42
2:2
39:23

[jonny_k]

Peace "asfandyar",

Salam Khizer,

RK said that his appendixes were revealed to him through Gabriel so your point about 33:37 is irrelevant.[/] His audio and video tapes can fe found on many "submitter" websites - just search the internet. To read his book [online] - Qur'an: The Final Testament - with his appendixes in them, just click this hyperlink:
http://books.google.com/books?id=KSZhy_x7r2QC&pg=PA643&dq=Quran:+The+Last+Testament&sig=ACfU3U1bKkrKGN9jS1V6iTKWSca0mtX_TQ#PPA1,M1

Peace,

Asfandyar

JK- Have you heard RK make this statement on audio tape? Also how would Zeid know Muhammad wasnt saying tht phrase in 33:37 as a messenger? Again i urge you not to take the world as black and white. Sometimes even humans chosen as messengers can think theyr getting something from GOD whilst it actually satan inspiring them. They then dont do this intentionally but subconsiously and it is the duty of the other humans around them to apply rational thought to filter it out. GOD Bless!

[Bahman]

I do believe in some parts of Code 19 (e.g. the Q-Count, the Bismillah miracle

Peace
how about this ?
and if not what you see wrong ?
peace

[Asfandyar]

Salam Bahman,

Peace
how about this ?
and if not what you see wrong ?
peace

In order to cerify whether they are "miraculous" or not, one must apply these tests to them:

1: It must have been achieved by using a consistent counting method (for instance, if one ignores a word as it is attributed to a human then all similar words attributed to humans must be excluded in both that count and similar counts).

2: It must have been achieved using one data set (for instance, if one decides to count the Tashkent Qur'an one must not switch to the Hafs Qur'an for that count or any other count otherwise one would simply be forcing the result [e.g. one could force a certain letter count to be a multiple of 19 by counting some from Hafs and others from Tashkent and/orone could claim that the Tashkent overrides Warsh in one instance, but in another use Warsh over Tashkent etc.]).

3: It must have a less than 1/19 probability (with counts searching for 19 divisibles, in ANY book you would have a 1/19 chance of getting them - this is hardly miraculous yet the probability claimed by 19ers is usually claimed to be less than 1/19 as they hide their failed attempts!).

I am afraid that I do not have the time to go through each one induvidually although, after breifly looking through them, they appear to have all be within the scope of probability (although I may be wrong, I haven't the time to study them carefully). The reason why Bismillah and the Q-Count are not within probability is because we are dealing with exact numbers and NOT just 19 divisibles.

Peace,

Asfandyar

41:42
2:2
39:23