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« on: May 02, 2003, 10:11:24 PM »
I have been a muslim fro 15 yrs and it has been a journey from one end to the other. I have been always in search of spirituallity and Islam was the truth and a complete one at that. Im not to philisophical but more on the spiritual side. I too have sat in the masjid time after time and been filled with the do's and dont's that I have followed. Trying to find my place and have failed becasue of the continous guilt trips caught up in the outward hadith practice of Islam. Ive went from full face veil to not practice at all. I always knew Islam to be the truth for me but the application was the question. To honsetly admit I was an adherant hadith follower never even reading Quran fully. Spiritually dead but hey my hijab was looking good. So here Iam, funny how it all happened becasue I wanted to start reading and studying Quran and got on a study group and come to find out they leave hadith out of it. Last nite as I read this forum and the home page I felt completly free for the first time. Islam started to make sense and answer those questions that had me chained up into a very rigid muslim. Alhumdullilah. When ever I didnt want to adhere to hadith I sperated myself as a muslim and now I can cross the bridge and validate my muslim status within the Quran alone. Its scary right now becasue I will sperate myself from a lot of "hadithies"( new word). And will probably isolate myself more so. But I must answer to ALLAH alone and to the answers that ALLAH has already put in my heart. Im very grateful for the support of everyone. May ALLAH be pleased with us Ameen.
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« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2003, 11:01:00 PM »
Peace,

I felt the same exact way when I started reading these articles. Its like a burden is takin off your back.

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« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2003, 05:29:00 AM »
It truly is a beautiful sight seeing people start on the same path I started on not too long ago. I hope your journey will be a fruitful one...


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« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2003, 11:13:10 AM »
Greetings, Kate

I found your story to be very uplifting -- thank you for sharing it with us!  

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« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2003, 07:25:43 PM »
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Last nite as I read this forum and the home page I felt completly free for the first time. Islam started to make sense and answer those questions that had me chained up into a very rigid muslim. Alhumdullilah


salaam alaikum kate......welcome and hope you'll be at peace among us, insha'Allah....i think your remarks speak for many of us who find their way to free-minds......in the short time i have been a member this site has grown so much......i check the membership list from time to time and all i can say is alhamdullilah........He is guiding us and may He keep us on His straight path....ameen
"Empty your mind. Be formless, shapeless--like water.......put water into a cup; it becomes the cup.....Be water my friend."  Bruce Lee

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« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2003, 10:46:46 PM »
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Peace,

I felt the same exact way when I started reading these articles. Its like a burden is takin off your back.



Salaams to all on this post:

I started my spiritual journey in my 30's and am now following the message in the quraan which is for me the true and only message.  I too am very isolated and constanly hear the age old adage "Just believe" unfortunately, I can't.

If there is a progressive group here in the San Jose are, I would love to be a part of it.
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with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. -Galileo
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2003, 12:53:34 AM »
Good morning Kate and welcome

I was a Christian since I was a child, I found Allah at quite a young age and didn't believe half of the nonsense I heard, then I became a Muslim and now I don't believe half of that either, but I love the half I do believe!    :D  

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« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2003, 05:44:42 AM »
Peace All,

Thanks for the support and stories, they are all inspiring as well. Im telling ya, its hard and I still have many questions. Im at the stage now where my mind is playing tricks on me. Im starting to say is this all a test from ALLAH.I think that right there is one of the most controlling factors and if one constantly thinks we are in a state of testing, please let me know. Its a slow process.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2003, 08:03:27 AM »
peace

yes, it's all a test.

feel better? :)

don't forget to study hard so you can get a good grade ;)
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2003, 10:47:37 PM »
Exactly,
so if it is a test how long do we get to study for it ?????? :?  

I just had a crazy idea :idea: , first let me explain that I'm not at the point of letting go of all hadith. Only the hadiths that have no basis in Quran.
So has anyone thought about the idea of gather all Quran related hadiths. Even if this would be a way of Dawah. To show the people the difference between fabricated and acutal Quran hadiths???????????? A lot of work !!!!

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« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2003, 10:51:06 PM »
Peace,

And to give some upliftment, You Guys, I have never before read the Quran like I am now !!!!!!!!! Its so cool, my ALLAH, I have a brain and I get to apply it . Before Hadith were filling my head, its so true that the fabrications start to overun you. All of a sudden the Quran is making sense !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Duh!! :roll:
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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2003, 10:56:51 PM »
Peace Kate,
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...Only the hadiths that have no basis in Quran....

It's funny you mention this, but we're having this same debate on another thread right now!
Anyway, personally, I have no space for hadith in my life. The Qur'an has reserved and used up all the seats on this flight! :D
I loved your story about how you came to God Alone, especially the part you said...
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Last nite as I read this forum and the home page I felt completly free for the first time

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2003, 11:11:59 PM »
Peace Kate

There is nothing wrong with Hadith, some can be sensible, and others not of course.

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So has anyone thought about the idea of gather all Quran related hadiths. Even if this would be a way of Dawah. To show the people the difference between fabricated and acutal Quran hadiths???????????? A lot of work !!!!


Even if these Ahadith do agree with the Quran, that does not mean they are actually the spoken words of Muhammad, they may be however, but I believe there is a very low percentage that they are his actual words.

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« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2003, 10:13:39 AM »
How I came to God Alone, Quran Alone?

I went to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia June of 1998 to work. I was into the bible then, thinking that it is the book of all books. A year later, I was debating with a sunni and I was beaten black and blue. I converted to Sunni Islam in November of 1999. December 1999 I went back home to the Philippines a new man. Being jobless back in my homeland, I had nothing to do but surf the internet and I stumbled across an Islamic site. I never knew what Quran alone meant then. Something's wrong with their exchange of ideas, i thought. The Muslims I know don't talk like this! They dislike hadiths! I tried debating with them. Again I lost. September 2000, I trashed all hadith and sunnah.

Whew! What a relief! Never again will I be burdened of forcing my two left handed children of using their right hands, or making sure that I step my left foot first in the bathroom and all that  foolish stuff. God freed me from the burden of idolatry.

But of course,  if you claim to be a believer, you will be tested.

Inshallah, I hope to pass the test(s).

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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2003, 04:48:23 PM »
Peace,

Interesting Ive met few people that actually accept the fact that they have lost a debate. I heard that its a true sign of wisdom however.

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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2003, 09:26:03 PM »
Salaam Tony,
I was curious about your dialogue with that Sunni Muslim that initially led you to Islam. What exactly changed your view?
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2003, 10:46:42 PM »
He was a fierce anti-Christian. He criticised my former god, Jesus. For how can he be god when he dies, when he prays, when he has a lot of weaknesses, when Satan carries him around. I was stumbling for answers.

It wasn't actually the dialogue that led me to Islam. I was fascinated by it. How people pray in unison and their piety attracted me to it. But when I read in some pamphlet that the Quran is unchanged since Muhammad, that was the turning point. Immediately, I told Ali (his name), "Get me to the Islamic Center! Quick! He was all smiles.

That was 3 years ago. He was my best friend. If we meet each other again, I know he would be utterly surprised (and aghast) at the things I've learned the past three years. I am sure he won't win our debate again, and this time, he will be the one groping for answers. He might even consider me an enemy.

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« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2003, 11:13:15 AM »
I find it greatly heartening to read the views of those on this site, as a non-muslim.  I was guided here by a muslim poster from another site... I think that if all muslims shared these kinds of views, it would put  alot of nonmuslims' minds at rest.

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« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2003, 11:18:04 AM »
"Whew! What a relief! Never again will I be burdened of forcing my two left handed children of using their right hands, or making sure that I step my left foot first in the bathroom and all that  foolish stuff. God freed me from the burden of idolatry."

Yes, this is the sort of thing I just find totally insane.  As if god woul want us to be so ludicrously shackled!  God gave us free will to make us free.  he also gave us the impetus to follow a moral code - to not kill, not steal, not drink to excess, not do harm to others, to be faithful in relationships, etc.  I do not folow a religion, but I believe in god as an energy force, a life force, something far and above anything we could possibly imagine...

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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2003, 08:57:13 AM »
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he also gave us the impetus to follow a moral code - to not kill, not steal, not drink to excess, not do harm to others, to be faithful in relationships, etc.


I don't agree. To our own kind we don't do anything bad. When I say own kind I mean immediate family.

But as far as not killing, not stealing, no harm unto others goes, I have to disagree.

We are hunters, we are competitors, and we are poachers.

Our natural instincts have made us this way. Religion is a ideal into controlling these natural instincts to create a better world for us all.
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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2003, 11:30:15 AM »
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We are hunters, we are competitors, and we are poachers.

Our natural instincts have made us this way. Religion is a ideal into controlling these natural instincts to create a better world for us all.


Exactly! A good religion is characterized by peaceful, moral & productive followers.
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