We have the timing, now we need the METHOD

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I too can make up such general pearls of wisdom but in the interests of fairness, may I ask you to elucidate the process with specifics? The abstinence is now about situations where one may be taunted or reproached? It's about anger etc now is it? How would you translate 2:187?

Well Top Notch,

you have said it, the situation is in the previous few ayah's 2:181,182.
2:187 is simply what is to be done in such a situation without letting things get too hot - best to abstain let things cool off , wife and husband are the closest to one another on consulting about situatuions concerning mutual affairs and they care about one another the most. Wakeel is a solicitor and not food you eat. Cheating people like in 181,182 has nothing to do with your sex affairs like they have translated in 187.

Like to accomodate you more , but am quite occupied at present, love to come back to it another time.

Thanks, 

[savage_carrot]

Well Top Notch,

you have said it, the situation is in the previous few ayah's 2:181,182.
2:187 is simply what is to be done in such a situation without letting things get too hot - best to abstain let things cool off , wife and husband are the closest to one another on consulting about situatuions concerning mutual affairs and they care about one another the most. Wakeel is a solicitor and not food you eat. Cheating people like in 181,182 has nothing to do with your sex affairs like they have translated in 187.

Like to accomodate you more , but am quite occupied at present, love to come back to it another time.

Thanks, 

The situation in ayahs 2:181 etc is about husbands and wives?187 is about...husbands and wives abstaining from bad things that will lead to tempers and reproaches? I'm not sure what led you to this interpretation since you steadfastly refuse to give complete translations (as usual with the usual excuses).

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The situation in ayahs 2:181 etc is about husbands and wives?187 is about...husbands and wives abstaining from bad things that will lead to tempers and reproaches? I'm not sure what led you to this interpretation since you steadfastly refuse to give complete translations (as usual with the usual excuses).

Sorry if you can't agree  ;I am not a Grammer expert and not here to challenge any Grammer experts or any translators of Arabic.

2:187
During times of reprimand/avoidance you are free to discourse with your wives they are to you a protection/tilth and you to them  Allah knows how you deceive yourselves and he  forgives you, intercourse with them (not sex ,but counsel) and seek what allah has ordained  for you consult and permeate until becomes menifestly clear to you good from bad  then reprimand yourself from the dissension and do not associate with it and stay busy in your daily affairs within the limits of Allah and approach not thereto??.




Some American states have such laws;
Privileged Communication
The law of evidence includes a privilege extended to a married couple so that neither a husband nor a wife can be compelled to testify against a spouse. This rule was designed to protect intrafamily relations and privacy. In addition, it was meant to promote communication between husbands and wives by making revelations between them strictly confidential.

All the ayah's 181 to 188 are about one thing only.

I am now going away for a....., Bye.

[savage_carrot]

I am now going away for a....., Bye.

For a what? Smoke? Juice? Discourse?

Sorry if you can't agree  ;I am not a Grammer expert and not here to challenge any Grammer experts or any translators of Arabic.

Given the way you've translated without showing how the arabic says it...I can see why you're not out to challenge. But see, I'm not looking for you to challenge, I just want you to show evidence that this is how it validly can be translated from the arabic.

What does privileged comm have to do with 2:187 even the way you have translated it?

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For a what? Smoke? Juice? Discourse?
Given the way you've translated without showing how the arabic says it...I can see why you're not out to challenge. But see, I'm not looking for you to challenge, I just want you to show evidence that this is how it validly can be translated from the arabic.

What does privileged comm have to do with 2:187 even the way you have translated it?

I was showing why the intercourse with the wife.


The intercourse between a husband and wife is a privileged communication , that is the reason for the intercourse with the wife, especially when you are down on your lourels, and when you probably have something to hide.

The deception being talked about in 181,182 needs talking about with someone and who better then your wife.

[savage_carrot]

I must say being down on ones laurels is brilliant...what does this new idiom mean though? Are you sulking on them or moping? Wait and you've hidden something from the wife? I can see why he needs the laurels now

Seriously however and as politely as possible (we all know there's a slight chance you'd be offended anyways): What on earth are you talking about!?1

181 and 182 are referring to a man hiding something which he can talk about with only his wife? And this here: During times of reprimand/avoidance you are free to discourse with your wives they are to you a protection/tilth and you to them  Allah knows how you deceive yourselves and he  forgives you, intercourse with them (not sex ,but counsel) and seek what allah has ordained  for you consult and permeate until becomes menifestly clear to you good from bad  then reprimand yourself from the dissension and do not associate with it and stay busy in your daily affairs within the limits of Allah and approach not thereto??.

is telling us that the times of reprimand/avoidance are the times when a man hides something?! Allah is talking about knowing man will hide things so He forgives him and the man can confide in his wife...and um permeate? So um, flowingly diffuse yourself until good and bad is clear and scold yourself for the arguing/disagreement? Don't argue anymore etc etc. How on earth does this make sense or even relate together? On top of that you say it's from 181 to 188! When 183 introduces a difference. Why not include 190 as well while you're it? It's got fighting. And we had wife a few verses before. We haven't even come to if it's valid from the arabic.

[357]

I must say being down on ones laurels is brilliant...what does this new idiom mean though? Are you sulking on them or moping? Wait and you've hidden something from the wife? I can see why he needs the laurels now

Seriously however and as politely as possible (we all know there's a slight chance you'd be offended anyways): What on earth are you talking about!?1

181 and 182 are referring to a man hiding something which he can talk about with only his wife? And this here: During times of reprimand/avoidance you are free to discourse with your wives they are to you a protection/tilth and you to them  Allah knows how you deceive yourselves and he  forgives you, intercourse with them (not sex ,but counsel) and seek what allah has ordained  for you consult and permeate until becomes menifestly clear to you good from bad  then reprimand yourself from the dissension and do not associate with it and stay busy in your daily affairs within the limits of Allah and approach not thereto??.

is telling us that the times of reprimand/avoidance are the times when a man hides something?! Allah is talking about knowing man will hide things so He forgives him and the man can confide in his wife...and um permeate? So um, flowingly diffuse yourself until good and bad is clear and scold yourself for the arguing/disagreement? Don't argue anymore etc etc. How on earth does this make sense or even relate together? On top of that you say it's from 181 to 188! When 183 introduces a difference. Why not include 190 as well while you're it? It's got fighting. And we had wife a few verses before. We haven't even come to if it's valid from the arabic.

Top Notch,

sorry to have wasted your time, didn't mean to.

And no i am not offended.

 

mind you because of your quistoning , believe it or not, i managed to learn a little more of the quran - which i respect very much, its got some very good advice about living a better life.

[savage_carrot]

Wish I could say it was a pleasure but no matter, we can always er, permeate...no wait, percolate tomorrow

*after edit*

That's me, I'm the hand of Thrawn. Anytime.

Seriously though, it does.

[dawngorgeous]

Peace,

Come on guys.  Most of us want to have a serious discusssion leading to clarity.  This current exchange feels incredibly unhealthy and a waste of energy?  Sorry for being harsh.

Dawn.

[savage_carrot]

Peace,

Come on guys.  Most of us want to have a serious discusssion leading to clarity.  This current exchange feels incredibly unhealthy and a waste of energy?  Sorry for being harsh.

Dawn.

I take it you haven't read the other threads in the section? Please do so. This thread does contain clarity of a serious nature that is quite healthy. Of course, not everyone will see it that way.