Hot/"ramadan" Answer

[anthonywallace]

Peace Anthony,

No way. The god is not an idol stored inside a black stone box.

Do you face a Sacred Temple  "wherever you be or wherever you at, or wherever you go out"? I think not.

No one (believer or otherwise) anywhere (Mecca or anywhere) can fast according to 2:183-186 if they take the key word "ramadan" in 2:185 as meaningless.

Peace,

Ayman

He chooses to worshiped at the Sacred Temple. And He is owed by the people to make pilgramage to it,  and whoever rejects, then God is Rich, the Praiseworthy...

And you shall face that direction when you pray...and that should be were you plan to go...

were are the sacrafices slatered at?   were is the pilgramage to? What is the focal point? Towards the Temple...

Do not sacrafise goat demons in just any field ect...There is only one place to do this at and to make pilgramage to...

And my Lords hands are wide open, spending as He pleases...I didnt say He was an idol stored in a black stone box...My Lord will destroy every idol...

And my focal point is that direction, towards the Sacred Temple


Yes I do.

[Sibute]

Hi,
Plume wrote

What contradicts is to compare a ?night? (i.e. time sunset to dawn) better than a thousand full moon snapshots which occur half the time during "the day" as did the full moons after the summer solstice in Makkah, Saudi Arabia for a brief moment the five prior years in a row and will likewise do so in the next three years...

Night is actually measured accurately by seamen as :
Nautical Twilight Starts/Ends
Nautical twilight is the period when the center of the Sun is between 6 and 12 degrees below the horizon, when bright stars are still visible in clear weather and the horizon is becoming visible. It is too dark to do outdoor activities without additional lighting.

thx.

[Nun de plume]

Peace Ayman,

If you are not defending the traditional timing then how is your understanding different from the traditional one?

I'm still working on it.

It is a contradiction to say "I stayed up only all last night" and then say "I stayed up all night in the month of September". Remember we are talking about TWO SEPARATE statements not one statement like you made up in order to make it work. You are intelligent enough to make up one statement to easily make it work and eliminate the contradiction. Don't you think that the god is certainly far more intelligent than you?

God gave us intelligence and we know days/nights = months = years.

46:15 And We have enjoined on man to be dutiful and kind to his parents. His mother bears him with hardship and she brings him forth with hardship, and the bearing of him, and the weaning of him is thirty (30) months, till when he attains full strength and reaches forty years...

Night is actually measured accurately by seamen as :
Nautical Twilight Starts/Ends
Nautical twilight is the period when the center of the Sun is between 6 and 12 degrees below the horizon, when bright stars are still visible in clear weather and the horizon is becoming visible. It is too dark to do outdoor activities without additional lighting.

thx.

Hi Sibute --

I go by Quran definition of night not seaman (I was one at age 16 btw) how dark is the night.

20:130 So bear patiently what they say, and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and during some of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day, that you may become pleased with the reward which Allah shall give you.

See thread...

http://free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9596792.msg177611#msg177611

Thanks

[Sibute]

Hi Plume,

20:130 So bear patiently what they say, and glorify the praises of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and during some of the hours of the night, and at the sides of the day, that you may become pleased with the reward which Allah shall give .

Thank you for this wonderful quote plume but my point is night is not equal to sunrise - sunset but from the quote above it it clearly distincts between rising, setting and the hours of the night.

All scientific discoveries will relate back to the quran whether it be a seamen,scientist or anyone who seeks knowledge of this universe.
i can see that you are well verse with quotes from the quran and thats good but one should also refelect on how people with knowledge should also be sought after when it conforms with what quran is telling us.

Thank you.

[Nun de plume]

Hi Sibute,

You are welcome -- I read it as night being exactly from sunset to dawn.

91:1-3

And by the sun and its brightness; 
And by the moon as it follows it (the sun);
And by the night as it conceals it (the sun); 



Peace

[anthonywallace]

Peace Anthony,

No way. The god is not an idol stored inside a black stone box.

Do you face a Sacred Temple "wherever you be or wherever you at, or wherever you go out"? I think not.

No one (believer or otherwise) anywhere (Mecca or anywhere) can fast according to 2:183-186 if they take the key word "ramadan" in 2:185 as meaningless.

Peace,

Ayman

Let me ask you in other words:

Has it been announed that it is time to fast? 

Did you witness the month/moon ( of " Ramadan) ?    yes, I believe you surely did.

And are they fasting in Meccah? ( celebrating Ramadan fast ) ? 

[Sibute]

Hi Sibute,

You are welcome -- I read it as night being exactly from sunset to dawn.

91:1-3

And by the sun and its brightness; 
And by the moon as it follows it (the sun);
And by the night as it conceals it (the sun); 

Well I guess when the sun is concealed just below the horizon ( zero degrees) with its light beaming to the observer like you during sunset it must mean you break your fast??

thank you.

[progod]

WHY THE MOON CHANGES COLOR

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_the_moon_change_color

http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonorange/


http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2007/03aug_dreamyeclipse.htm

Godbless,
Anwar
I'll see if i can find some more articles, from more scientific sources.

[Nun de plume]

Well I guess when the sun is concealed just below the horizon ( zero degrees) with its light beaming to the observer like you during sunset it must mean you break your fast??

thank you.

If the sun is concealed below the horizon then its direct light cannot beam the observer and I break my fast.

Likewise when it is unconcealed at dawn and its white thread is beaming at the observer I start my fast.

Thank you.

[ayman]

WHY THE MOON CHANGES COLOR
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_the_moon_change_color
http://home.hiwaay.net/~krcool/Astro/moon/moonorange/

Quote from above:

When the moon is near the horizon, the moonlight must pass through much more atmosphere than when the moon is directly overhead. By the time the moonlight reaches your eyes, the blue, green, and purple pieces of visible light have been scattered away by air molecules. That's why you only see yellow, orange, or red.

It is a scientific fact that the full-moon around the summer solstice takes the lowest path accross the horizon. This is why it appears more vivid red than any other full-moon. This fact was explained in my article and people can easily confirm it.

Peace,

Ayman