Hot/"ramadan" Answer

[amin]

Salam..
It's your view.. Appreciate. I don't see any benefit of fasting.. I mean conventional fasting by skipping food and drink.. It only named as skipping food.. Lol..

I was born to a lower middle class family.. And I had times where I was self sufficient and with Covid and all again jobless.. During entire life almost or  more than three decades I have fasted.. I never learned anything from it..
Tried a lot to learn but nothing I learned.. Cuz it is meaningless ritual.

Look.. For Rich they have their way of fasting.
Loads of food and drinks at dawn.. Half a days of sleep.. And before sunset, set to breakfast in front of table full of food and drinks.. And indeed it's a feast...

Poor people anyway they don't have more than one meal a day throughout the year.. People like me at least trying two meal  a day or sometimes one.. That too basic of basic food just to tame the hunger.. So.. During fasting they skip food and drink during day time.. And poor people too.  Cuz two meals a day means..at least 15 hours no food... So as a poor person being in poverty teaches us lot of thing and needless again additionally stay in hunger and learn... Do you ever understand that my lovely people..
I don't blame rich at all.. They are rich and blessed and thats how life style is.. But rich person eat more and tummy full and fast.. When tummy full normally in my little experience I can skip food and drink easily for one day.. Cuz hunger never comes save sleep.. And specially if I had full of flesh instead of carbs.. And I feel so sad to those  who in hot sun doing labor work.. And honestly they don't fast.. I checked.. They indeed doing that labor work to ease their hunger and not to be in hunger..
Allah never commanded to be in hunger.. I never believe it..
Siyam is beautiful practice of self Descipline regardless of rich or poor..cultivate it by freshening every month in case you deviated..but siyam is retribution for certain violations in life and reform those  specific violations by being self control..

If skipping food and drink makes a person thathaqun and Ivan afraid all Muslim world is muththakun... That's a whopping lie..

I like your view, the steadfastness/discipline at times of hardships is the one required for us to come out of those difficult times.
I too have the idea, that fasting is not simply restricted to food alone, but primarily it starts with food.
Most of us revolves around with excesses of all kinds, be it rich or poor, these comes as a social practice, some may not follow or follow it as per their ableness.

I am thinking why the Islamic founders opted for a calendar to be solely based on moon is still not clear, as names like Rabi(spring that starts over march) should be spring months not the winter ones, possibly they want to remove all links of the religious events completely away from the preexisting practices that relied on sun/seasons or they thought its of no use to them or idolizing?

The sea farers, the farmers, the nomads in the desert, all need to adjust their activities based on the seasons, even our cleaning/repairing of the house if practiced on specific month, it will benefit?

[jkhan]

I like your view, the steadfastness/discipline at times of hardships is the one required for us to come out of those difficult times.
I too have the idea, that fasting is not simply restricted to food alone, but primarily it starts with food.
Most of us revolves around with excesses of all kinds, be it rich or poor, these comes as a social practice, some may not follow or follow it as per their ableness.

I am thinking why the Islamic founders opted for a calendar to be solely based on moon is still not clear, as names like Rabi(spring that starts over march) should be spring months not the winter ones, possibly they want to remove all links of the religious events completely away from the preexisting practices that relied on sun/seasons or they thought its of no use to them or idolizing?

The sea farers, the farmers, the nomads in the desert, all need to adjust their activities based on the seasons, even our cleaning/repairing of the house if practiced on specific month, it will benefit?

Thank you for your reply..
No.. It's not primarily start with food.. That's ritual fasting, but God's command to Siyam not with food.. No relation at all with food and sex.
Let me explain..

We are to reform at every given interval. Every month is assigned for that to check our evils which we committed specially as believer..ie self reform through self control  ... This is the fundamental purpose and meaning of Siyam.. So we can repent,  we can ask forgiveness we can reflect a lot based on our prior DEEDS before we forget so we PERCEIVE the CONSEQUENCES...
Got it?
But you may wonder then why Sex and food in verse2:187 is writtem.. Sex is special PERMISSION.... If  Allah had forbidden food and drink in the verse 2:187, He would have worded probably the verse 2:187 as "Permitted for you nights Siyam food and drink and whatever the real verse states.. But it is not the case..
Entire verse 2:187 is concentrated on PERMISSION of Sex at night instead of day where you devoted with fundamental of Siyam. Though sex is part of life and normal it is forbidden in view of the fact it would not pave way to the person who reform and reflect on his past deeds to repent  .. It's a distraction..
Note even at the end of the verse also Allah didn't say anything about food and drink and said not to near  Sex alone.. And finished the verse saying that's LIMIT of Allah ..yes for the purpose of Siyam.. Clear?

Now in the middle of the verse it states like "So now enjoy and have relations with them.... Yes at night... And combined with it EAT and DRINK.. indeed this means Allah is telling them to be NORMAL and be HAPPY at night. Having food and drink and enjoying with wife is a normal life.. Indeed food and drink is a fundamental need of human being.. But eventually (hatta) when it is time to begin the process of self control from dawn to dusk you are not ALLOWED to approach wife and NOT food and drink.. Since food and drink was amalgamated with nearing wife, it is wrongly assumed that you have to skip food and drink as well while you steadfast. Nope...
Just focus on the verse 2:187 and its aim.. And its aim is only to herald a message to those who reform every month three days during ful moon is that YOU ARE PERMITTED sex at night.. And no other message... But NEVER approach while in Self control but only at night cuz it is LIMIT of Allah..  And the meaning of Siyam is well known to them to the audience of then by word itself and that's why Allah said "prescribed for you Siyam as it was prescribed before you" well familiar the word itself .. Though word siyam is plumetted loads of manipulations with time...
Same to Maryam.. Eat and drink.. ie.. Be normal  ..  Eating and drinking is indeed a normal life.. Isn't  it?  But do what one has to do to self to control / be Desciplined to recollect ones DEEDS of the past and thus PERCEIVE / EXPERIENCE ones CONSEQUENCES... Thats Siyam.. So 2:187 was just a PERMISSION during the night when you involved in self control process for specific reason...
Logically ponder.. Sex is direct barrier and not food and drink... Reflect people. Suppose you working on a very critical project which requires all sorts of  concentrations.. Would food and drink be barrier while working on it or would sex be barrier... Your entire concentration could well and truly detached cuz it's a distraction of direct nature .

[Bajram Hoxhaj]

5:95
" ..... or an expiation of feeding of needy people or the equivalent. (Dhalika) that is / such is Siyam (Self control /Self Descipline) , in order that he may experience / perceive consequence of his deed...."

Really I am astonished by this verse.

Context is your friend!

5:89 ...
so reparation its feeds group of ten who needy from average what thou feeding family yours
or clothe them
or liberate neck (captive/slave)
so who not find
so abstinence (fast) group of three days
such reparation right hands (oaths) yours

5:95 ...
so recompense same what killed from the cattle ...
or reparation feed who needy
or equitable Dhālika/such Şiyāmāan/abstinence
Liyadhūqa/to tasted consequence directive his

It depends on the size of the game killed. It's three days fasting or feed 10 needy individuals. The amount of meat obtained from large game can vary, but on average, a single large game animal, such as an Arabian oryx or Nubian ibex, could potentially provide enough meat to sustain several people for a significant period. Hence says two fair individuals to be judges on the matter.