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Scrappy-doo

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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2600 on: May 06, 2019, 09:57:15 AM »
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2601 on: May 06, 2019, 12:26:27 PM »
For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
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Huh that's my birthday.

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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2602 on: May 07, 2019, 08:09:48 PM »
... The equinoxes will only give you the count of half a year and not a year as per 17:12.

In years where you get 13 full-moons between summer solstices, you simply ignore the 13th moon and skip counting it and count only 12 as per 9:36. This realigns the year so that the first full-moon is always the one after the summer solstice.

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What realigns the year is not full moons but man's choice of the day when the year should start.
For example the Christians who drew up their calendar have chosen Jesus Christ's birthday,
so muslims may choose the day when Prophet Muhammed migrated from Medina.
This is none of the business of the full moons because the year is not made up of full moons but months.

Full moons and months are different things.

The following are not months;
they are each a 12/13-full moon series between summer solstices:

--------1----------2-----3-------4-------5-------6-------7------8------9------10------11-----12-----13---
A.Jun 28, 2018-Jul 27-Aug 26-Sep 25-Oct 24-Nov 23-Dec 22-Jan 21-Feb 19-Mar 21-Apr 19-May 19-Jun 17
B.Jul 17, 2019-Aug 15-Sep 14-Oct 14-Nov 12-Dec 12-Jan 10-Feb 09-Mar 09-Apr 08-May 07-Jun 05 ..........
C.Jul 05, 2020-Aug 03-Sep 02-Oct 02-?

The 13th full moon of June 17, 2019 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2019
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2019.

The 12th full moon of June 05, 2020 takes place in the series before summer solstice 2020
because it rises BEFORE summer solstice 2020.

God has decided their place, so they stay where they are;
all which man has to do is abide by God's decision.

Man has no power, anyways, to postpone a full moon;
neither does he have any power to skip counting it.
Each full moon stays in the series where it belongs to and man lives it during its due time.

The number of full moons in series A is 13,
and the number of full moon in series B is 12;
This is God's truth, and man will acept it.

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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2603 on: May 08, 2019, 12:12:07 AM »
Salam,

I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.

The Quran is very clear in 9:36, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".

This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).

As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.

As such, the statement in 9:36 becomes very clear: the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384. 

`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2604 on: May 08, 2019, 03:04:24 AM »
Salam,

I would like to add a comment on this 12 or 13 months issue.

The Quran is very clear in 9:36, that the "count of the months with God are 12 months".

This verse is what has caused a tailspin with the Sunni/Shia calendar causing them to chop-off the 13th months which used to be inserted to stabilize the year (although the Qur'an states that they were guilty of manipulation by inserting the 13th year every other year - when it should have been nearly every 3rd year).

As has been pointed out in this thread, the "month" is a full cycle of the moon - lasting 29-30 days, and is not the sighting of the crescent or the full moon.

As such, the statement in 9:36 becomes very clear: the 12 months in 1 year are a factual statement, as there can NEVER be 13 full cycles in 1-year (383 days), further defining to us that the length of the Quran's count of the year, using full months, cannot be less than 354 or greater than 384.

Following are the Scorching Full Moon nights;
--> .. indicating the exact time of the 13th full moon in the
full moon series initiated by the Scorching Full Moon.

https://www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2033&country=74
 
Jul. 05, 2001
Jun 25, 2002 --> 01
Jul. 13, 2003
Jul. 02, 2004
Jun 22, 2005 --> 02
Jul. 11, 2006
Jun 30, 2007 --> 03
Jul. 18, 2008
Jul. 07, 2009
Jun 26, 2010 --> 04
Jul. 15, 2011
Jul. 03, 2012
Jun 23, 2013 --> 05
Jul. 12, 2014
Jul. 02, 2015 --> 06
Jul. 20, 2016
Jul. 09, 2017
Jun 28, 2018 --> 07
Jul. 17, 2019
Jul. 05, 2020
Jun 25, 2021 -- >08
Jul. 13, 2022
Jul. 02, 2023
Jun 22, 2024 --> 09
Jul. 11, 2025
Jun 30, 2026 --> 10
Jul. 18, 2027
Jul. 07, 2028
Jun 26, 2029 --> 11
Jul. 15, 2030
Jul. 03, 2031
Jun 23, 2032 --> 12
Jul. 12, 2033

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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2605 on: May 08, 2019, 04:06:25 PM »
Peace Scrappy-doo,

For anyone who cares, and if God so wills, I shall be fasting July 16 for 10 days.
 :jedi: :eat: :peace:

The scorching full moon is on the night of July 16. So the fasting starts on the dawn of July 17 and lasts for 10 days, i.e. until July 26th.

In most places, the full-moon will appear shortly after the sun sets. Remember the following passages as you witness it:

84:16. So I do swear by the redness of dusk.
After sunset when the sky is glowing red

84:17. And the night and what it enshrouds.
and the night enshrouds the sky from the opposite direction

84:18. And the moon when it becomes symmetric.
from this direction the full symmetric moon appears.

Tip: I believe the best way to witness this full moon is to find a spot where there?s a low horizon at the point exactly opposite the sunset, because this is where the big full moon will rise (e.g. the countryside, the beach,...). Once it climbs overhead it will shrink to a fraction of its moonrise size. If possible, try to position yourself so it rises behind some far away buildings or trees to appreciate the size difference.
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Re: Hot/"ramadan" Answer
« Reply #2606 on: November 07, 2019, 10:16:35 AM »
Peace

The night of alqadr and shahr ramadan.

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God bless