Confirmation of Isaiah 53 prophecy

[Sara]

Peace,

This article was written by my friend, Kadhim. I'd like to know what you guys think of it.

Bismillahi wal ibni wal ruhul quddus!
(In the Name of Father and his Son and the Holy Spirit!)

Ash-Hadu An La Ilaha Illa Yahoweh wa Ash-Hadu Anna Yashuah rabbihi wa
masihu! (I testify that there is no god but Yahweh and I testify that Jesus is Lord
and Messiah!)Was Salatu was Salamu ala Nabiyyina wal waliyina Bulus wa ala al arifin wal anbiyayil mursalin! Amin.(May Peace and Blessing be to the Apostle and Sage Paul and May likewise salutation be to the wise and all the prophets!) Amen

MADAD YA YAHOWEH! YaHoWeH is worthy of all hamd and tasbih!

HEARKEN!:
-"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
(John 3:16)
-I Cor. 1:18-For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish
foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
-II Timothy 2:15-Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that
needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Thereafter,

Here I am presenting proof on the table to be addressed which goes to show
that the Quran and the Holy Bible confirm each other on a vital issue that
has caused much strife in religious understanding in both schools of
religious doctrine. The Quran claims to be fully detailed, complete and has
explanations for everything (Surahs 6:114-115,16:89,12:111,10:37,6:19, that
has come supposedly as a mercy and a blessing to the masses, and confirms
previous scriptures (Surahs 10:37,57; 17:9).But, unfortunately, the Quran has actually been misunderstood, mistranslated and abused immensely.

For instance, the issue of the crucifixion of our Lord and Savior Jesus
Christ the Begotten Son of the Most High is not fully elucidated by the text
of the Quran. The issue of the passion of our Lord (swt) is only highlighted
within surah 4.157 of the Islamic text. But how sad it is that Muslims are
all varied on this issue. The commentators themselves are at odds regarding
the understanding of this verse. Just examine and compare the works of the
classical Tafsir works done by esteemed scholars like al-Baidawi, Jalalayn,
Ibn Kathir, Qurtubi etc. and you will see for yourself.

Now what I am about to provide you will help you understand the following:

1. The Misunderstanding of Muslims.
2. The Disparity of Muslims.
3. The Mistranslations of Muslims.

Note how these three points come into play on a simple issue such as the
passion of the Son of the Most High. I would like to bring to your attention
that these 3 points are employed as defense tactics by Muslims in order to
deny the facts latent within their own scripture verifying the Biblical
account. For doesn't the Quran teach any way that it "tasdiq" (holds true,
ratify) the previous scriptures? A Muslim will always accuse the other party
of misunderstanding, mistranslating and having disparity. That is a common
argument against Christianity that we misunderstand the Holy Bible and we
therefore need the Quran to make it clear, since it is the criterion. The
Muslims highlights the fact that we Christians are at odds with each other
on many issues, thus making it seem like Islam has a universal bond of
mutual understanding amongst its fold.

We are also accused of being ignorant of the original language of the
scriptures and thus the translations we have are all mistranslations with
the end result being so many conflicting "versions." The Muslim antagonist
will normally use these points against the Christian.

In light of the foregoing, let us now view a few verses which show that the
Quran confirms the previous scriptures.

2:41 And believe in that which I reveal, confirming that which ye possess
already (of the Scripture), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part
not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me.

2:101 And when there cometh unto them a messenger from Allah, confirming
that which they possess, a party of those who have received the Scripture
fling the Scripture of Allah behind their backs as if they knew not,

3:3 He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth,
confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the
Torah and the Gospel

The Arabic word translated as ?confirm? in these verses translated is
musaddiq/tasdiq from the root origin of sidq denoting, "to attest to the
truth or validity of something, implies the removing of doubts by an
authoritative statement or indisputable fact, to give approval to."

We now present proof for this:

COMPARED TEXTS:

Surah al Nisa v.157
Isaiah 53:4-9

ARABIC TRANSLITERATION:

4:157 Waqawlihim inna qatalna almaseeha AAeesa ibna maryama rasoola
Allahi>>> wama qataloohu wama salaboohu walakin shubbiha lahum>>> wainna
allatheena ikhtalafoo feehi lafee shakkin minhu ma lahum bihi min AAilmin
illa ittibaAAa alththanni wama qataloohu yaqeenan

COMMON MUSLIM TRANSLATIONS:

004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of
Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him,
but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full
of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for
of a surety they killed him not:-
PICKTHAL: And because of their saying: We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, Allah's messenger - they slew him not nor crucified him, but it
appeared so unto them; and lo! those who disagree concerning it are in doubt
thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture; they
slew him not for certain.
SHAKIR: And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of
Marium, the messenger of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they
crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who
differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge
respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for
sure.

Now the line in question in that verse was:

"wama=and that which
qataloohu=of him killed/slain/murdered not
wama=and that which
salaboohu=of him not mortified/crucified/shamed
walakin=and but verily
shubbiha=made/fashioned/appeared/formed so
lahum=to them"
ACCURATE LITERAL TRANSLATION:

"And because of the peoples saying: We slew/killed/murdered the Messiah
Jesus son of Mary, Allah's messenger and that which of him(they)
killed/slain/murdered NOT and that which of him(they) did NOT
mortify/crucify/shame and but verily made/fashioned/appeared/formed so to
them and lo! for surely those who disagree concerning it are in doubt
thereof; they have no knowledge thereof save pursuit of a conjecture ; they
slew him not for certain,"

What is it saying? The word qatl is the root origin of the word qataloo
which means "to blot out, eradicate, exterminate, extinguish, root out,"
used mainly in the sense of taking life unlawfully, i.e. murder. The Quran
itself justifies such a use in 2.178, 3.181, 4.155, 5.30, 6.137, 17.31 & 33.
Salab, the word from which salabuhu is derived, denotes "to put in or as if
in a particular place or position." The particular context uses salab as an
adjective referring to murder or mortification, and modifies the noun
?him?(hu).

The Quran uses salab, and its derivatives, in reference to someone being
shamefully put to death. The act of crucifying is intended to shame and
humiliate the person for some perceived crime or mistake:

O my two mates of the prison! as for one of you, he shall give his lord to
drink wine; and as for the other, he shall be crucified [fayuslabu], so that
the birds shall eat from his head, the matter is decreed concerning which
you inquired. [Surah 12:41]

Pharaoh crucifies his cupbearer and as a way of shaming him for the crime he
committed.

I will certainly cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, then
will I crucify you all [laosallibannakum] together. [Surah 7:124]

Said he: You believe in him before I give you permission; most surely he is
the chief of you who taught you the magic, so you shall know: certainly I
will cut off your hands and your feet on opposite sides, and certainly I
will crucify you all [laosallibannakum]. [Surah 26:49]

In the above two passages Pharaoh threatens to humiliate his magicians by
crucifixion for believing in the God of Moses. Finally:

The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and
strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or
crucified [yusallaboo], or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut
off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in
the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom; [Surah 5:33]

Allah punishes wrong doers with crucifixion, implying that this is the
punishment of the guilty.

The Quran also says that punishment is meted out to shame people for their
crimes, i.e. blackened faces, tortures by angels, no sympathy from God,
inhabitants of hell begging Malik the guardian of hell etc.

Therefore, the use of this verb in surah 4.157 suggests that the Quran is
denying that the Jews shamed Christ by violently killing him for some sin or
fault. In other words, the text is not denying that Christ was crucified,
but that Jesus? crucifixion wasn?t the result of him being put to shame for
some mistake he committed. Thus, the idea given in this passage is that Lord
Jesus (swt) was not murdered as way of mocking and shaming him for any crime
or transgression, as the Jews erroneously thought.

The Quran substantiates this meaning in 4.158 by saying that he was Ra'fau,
meaning "to exalt, ennobled and honored in status". Such use is supported
through 6.165, 94.4 and 7.176. I believe 4.158 highlights his resurrection.
Muslims have argued that our Lord was not put forth to such a dire fate, not
because they believe that prophets can't be killed because the Quran and
Ahadith narrate such episodes. They deny it on the basis of their
misunderstanding the statement that it was made to seem like Yahaweh left
Jesus Christ (swt) helpless and weak as a malefactor. This is in the Muslim
eye unbecoming because God always comes to the rescue (3:123-125; 4:45,75;
9:25,14) with the result being that they have many interpretations for this
verse in order to supposedly ?save? Christ from this dire fate. For
instance, Ibn Kathir writes that a young disciple was willing to be
crucified; Judas Iscariot was substituted for Jesus Christ for his betrayal
and thus he was shamed as seen in the Gospel of Barnabas; or that Jesus
Christ somehow survived the crucifixion as taught by the Ahmadi Jamah and
the Taliyah al-Mahdi Organization, as well as within the apocryphal work of
the Acts of Thomas.

And now compare all this to the following prophecy:

Isaiah 53:4-9

4Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].(1)
5But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.
6All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guilt and iniquity of us all.(2)
7He was oppressed, [yet when] He was afflicted, He was submissive and opened not His mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.
8By oppression and judgment He was taken away; and as for His generation, who among them considered that He was cut off out of the land of the living [stricken to His death] for the transgression of my [Isaiah's] people, to whom the stroke was due?
9And they assigned Him a grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in His death, although He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.(3)
(AMP Bible)

--cross-references

(1.)Matt. 8:17.
(2.)I Pet. 2:24, 25.
(3.)Matt. 27:57-60; I Pet. 2:22, 23.

You be the judge. Does or doesn't the Quran clearly confirm the prophecy of Isaiah 53 through the accurate rendering of Surah al Nisa ayah 157?

As-Salamu Ala Man Ittaba al-Huda (May Peace be with those who follow the Right Guidance.) Amen.

[Ezekiel9four]

I agree with it totally. I have found that the Bible and the Qu'ran agree on every issue I've investigated so far, including this one;

003.055
YUSUFALI: Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

The Qur'an states that Jesus was "taken". The Bible uses this same term for Enoch who was also "taken" and then raised from the earth to heaven.  Both Bible and Qur'an teach that every man must experience death once. And both Bible and Qur'an teach that resurrection is from the dead to life. Jesus was resurrected from death to life and then raised to heaven just as the Qur'an says, and the Bible details.


004.157
YUSUFALI: That they said (in boast),  "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
004.158
YUSUFALI: Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-


This above verse doesn't explicitly say Jesus didn't die at all, it says that Jews and Romans didn't kill him. Jesus says the same thing in the Bible;

John 10:15
As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.
John 10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
John 10:18
No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


004.159
YUSUFALI: And there is none of the People of the Book but must believe in him before his death; and on the Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them;-
PICKTHAL: There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them -
SHAKIR: And there is not one of the followers of the Book but most certainly believes in this before his death, and on the day of resurrection he (Isa) shall be a witness against them.

019.030
YUSUFALI: He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet;
019.031
YUSUFALI: "And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
019.032
YUSUFALI: "(He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable;
019.033
YUSUFALI: "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"!
019.034
YUSUFALI: Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute.

If we check the context of the above verses, we find that this is when Isa was a babe in his mother's arms, well BEFORE his ascention to heaven. He was speaking of his future death on the cross and resurrection to earth, then ascention to heaven.


Again, the Bible and Qur'an are in agreement that Isa died by his own volition and was raised to life and to heaven. Both Bible and Qur'an agree that the true followers of Jesus will be saved, and that there is more than one "fold" of sheep which Jesus saves. This would seem to indicate that there are others besides true Christian followers of Jesus who hear his voice, believing in him as Messiah, and follow him. Messianic Jews believe Jesus to be Messiah, and Muslims believe Jesus to be Messiah. Now, most Messianics are trinitarians. And Muslims believe Jesus is Messiah, but not savior. How these glitches play into the senerio, I don't know, yet.

EZ

[yfn123]

Peace,

Really!? Did God rest on the seventh day? Does God wrestle with man?

Anwar Azim

I agree with it totally. I have found that the Bible and the Qu'ran agree on every issue I've investigated so far.... 8< 8< 8<, EZ

[Idris]

peace,

Really!? Did God rest on the seventh day? Does God wrestle with man?

rest on the seventh day can also be translated as He ceased on the seventh day, this is even admitted by the NIV Bible translators as of today, and I think your talking about Jacob wrestling with God which is an obvious allegory, for wrestling does not always mean physical wrestling, I believe wrestling with God means he was wrestling with his faith in the fact that he was losing it and trying to regain it and so forth

get back at me

[zenje]

Really!? Did God rest on the seventh day? Does God wrestle with man?

And walked through the garden looking for adam? :?

Genesis
8. And they heard the voice of the LORD God, walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9.   And the LORD God called unto Adam and said unto him, "Where art thou?"
10.   And he said, "I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

[Idris]

peace,

Really!? Did God rest on the seventh day? Does God wrestle with man?

And walked through the garden looking for adam? :?

Genesis
8. And they heard the voice of the LORD God, walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9.   And the LORD God called unto Adam and said unto him, "Where art thou?"
10.   And he said, "I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

its clearly talking about Adam and Eve walking in the garden and they heard God's voice, hence the comma before walking, the real problem I have with these verses is that it contradicts the attributes of God being the All Knowing and being Omnipresent

peace

[yfn123]

Greetings with peace,

I see... What are the original words that were revealed (if they were actually revealed) which were translated as "rest" and "wrestle" and then interpreted by NIV Bible translators as "cease" and "wrestle" as an obvious allegory?

Anwar Azim

peace,

Really!? Did God rest on the seventh day? Does God wrestle with man?

rest on the seventh day can also be translated as He ceased on the seventh day, this is even admitted by the NIV Bible translators as of today, and I think your talking about Jacob wrestling with God which is an obvious allegory, for wrestling does not always mean physical wrestling, I believe wrestling with God means he was wrestling with his faith in the fact that he was losing it and trying to regain it and so forth

get back at me

[Idris]

peace be unto you,

I see... What are the original words that were revealed (if they were actually revealed) which were translated as "rest" and "wrestle" and then interpreted by NIV Bible translators as "cease" and "wrestle" as an obvious allegory?

i dunno, but cease would be a right translation and makes much more sense in the context of the verses then rest, wrestling with God is not interpreted by the NIV Bible translators as allegory but most that read the Bible interpret it as such to the best of my knowledge, its not physical wrestling (the term wrestling does not always mean physical) but Jacob struggling to keep his faith=wrestling with God

[khalil]

Really!? Did God rest on the seventh day? Does God wrestle with man?

And walked through the garden looking for adam? :?

Genesis
8. And they heard the voice of the LORD God, walking in the garden in the cool of the day. And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9.   And the LORD God called unto Adam and said unto him, "Where art thou?"
10.   And he said, "I heard Thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

This is my understanding on that verse, I'm thinking that it shows the serperation of Adam from God, since God called to him and he turned away by trying to hide from God. I do not feel that this is to be taken literally, for example the hebrew word for man 'adam' (not capitalised) is in its self an acronym for North, East, South and West  according to Oxfords book of symbols. The fact that he had eaten from a tree of knowledge of good and evil leads me to believe that is an allegory because I do not see any farms where trees of good and evil are produced.

As for the word rest, it can also mean ceased. I am not positive wether the hebrew word denotes this meaning as well, but i do know that the hebrew word for rib can also mean side and the NIV states this as well in the same manner it states that rest can also be ceased.

http://bible.gospelcom.net/bible?passage=gen+2#footnote_256396507_1


pz
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[zenje]

Yes, but "where art thou?"... sounds more like a shakesperean novel to me.