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Debate-Will Muhammad Intercess on the Day Of Judgement?
« on: April 12, 2004, 01:45:59 PM »
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The Myth Of Intercession

To believe that anyone, other than God, can intercede on our behalf to have our sins forgiven or our wishes fulfilled, is to set up partners with God. This is idolatry. The Quran proclaims that "All intercession belongs to God" (39:44), and that there will be "no intercession on the Day of Judgment" (2:254).
 
The myth of intercession is one of Satan's most effective tricks to dupe millions of people into idol worship. Millions of Christians believe that Jesus will intercede for them at God, and millions of Muslims believe that Muhammad will intercede on their behalf.  Consequently, these people idolize Jesus and Muhammad.
 
The concept of intercession is utterly illogical. Those who believe in Muhammad's intercession, for example, claim that he will ask God to forgive them and admit them into Paradise. They imagine Muhammad on the Day of Judgment choosing the candidates for his intercession.
If you ask those who believe in intercession: "How will Muhammad recognize those who deserve his intercession?" they tell you, "God will tell him!"  According to this concept, a person will go to Muhammad and request his intercession. Muhammad will then ask God whether this person deserves his intercession or not. God will inform Muhammad that the person deserves to go to Paradise.  Muhammad will then turn around and tell God that the person deserves to go to Paradise! The blasphemy is obvious; those who believe in intercession make God a secretary of their idol Muhammad. God be glorified.

Since the Quran is the most accurate book, it acknowledges that everyone in Paradise will intercede on behalf of his or her loved ones:  "Please God, admit my mother into Paradise." This intercession will work if the person's mother deserves to go to Paradise (2:255, 20:109, 21:28 ). Thus, intercession, though it will take place in this manner, is utterly useless.

We learn from the Quran that Abraham, God's beloved servant, could not intercede on behalf of his father (9:114).  Noah could not intercede on behalf of his son (11:46). Muhammad could not intercede on behalf of his uncle (111:1-3) or relatives (9:80). What makes anyone think that a prophet or a saint will intercede on behalf of a perfect stranger?!

See 2:48, 123; 6:51, 70, 94; 7:53; 10:3; 19:87; 26:100; 30:13; 32:4; 36:23; 39:44; 40:18; 43:86; 53:26 & 74:48. Muhammad's intercession is in 25:30.

ANOTHER THING IS THAT HOW CAN MUHAMMAD INTERCESS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHEN HE COULD ONLY UNDERSTAND ARABIC AND IS NOW DEAD NOT ABLE TO SEE THE EVENTS OF YOUR LIFE OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOU TO INTERCESS ON YOUR BEHALF ABOUT?

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Debate-Will Muhammad Intercess on the Day Of Judgement?
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2004, 05:00:05 PM »
Allah! There is no god but He,- the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory). [Holy Qur'an 2:255]

Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority), regulating and governing all things. No intercessor (can plead with Him) except after His leave (hath been obtained). This is Allah your Lord; Him therefore serve ye: will ye not receive admonition? [Holy Qur'an 10:3]

On the day when We shall gather the righteous unto the Beneficent, a goodly company. And drive the guilty unto hell, a weary herd, They will have no power of intercession, save him who hath made a covenant with his Lord. [Holy Qur'an 19:85-87]

On that Day shall no intercession avail except for those for whom permission has been granted by (Allah) Most Gracious and whose word is acceptable to Him. [Holy Qur'an 20:109]

And We did not send before you any messenger but We revealed to him that there is no god but Me, therefore serve Me. And they say: The Beneficent Allah has taken to Himself a son. Glory be to Him. Nay! they are honored servants They do not precede Him in speech and (only) according to His commandment do they act. He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they do not intercede except for him whom He approves and for fear of Him they tremble. And whoever of them should say: Surely I am a god besides Him, such a one do We recompense with hell; thus do, We recompense the unjust. [Holy Qur'an 21:25-29]

"No intercession can avail in His Presence, except for those for whom He has granted permission. So far (is this the case) that, when terror is removed from their hearts (at the Day of Judgment, then) will they say, ?what is it that your Lord commanded?? they will say, ?That which is true and just; and He is the Most High Most Great?." [Holy Qur'an 34:23]

Those who sustain the Throne (of Allah) and those around it Sing Glory and Praise to their Lord; believe in Him; and implore Forgiveness for those who believe: "Our Lord! Thy Reach is over all things, in Mercy and Knowledge. Forgive, then, those who turn in Repentance, and follow Thy Path; and preserve them from the Penalty of the Blazing Fire! And grant, our Lord! that they enter the Gardens of Eternity, which Thou hast promised to them, and to the righteous among their fathers, their wives, and their posterity! For Thou art (He), the Exalted in Might, Full of Wisdom. And preserve them from (all) ills; and any whom Thou dost preserve from ills that Day,- on them wilt Thou have bestowed Mercy indeed: and that will be truly (for them) the highest Achievement." [Holy Qur'an 40:7-9]

And those unto whom they cry instead of Him possess no power of intercession, saving him who beareth witness unto the Truth knowingly. [Holy Qur'an 43:86]

How many-so-ever be the angels in the heavens, their intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He pleases and that he is acceptable to Him. [Holy Qur'an 53:26]



Narrated Imran Bin Hossain:
The Prophet said, "Some people will be taken out of the Fire through the intercession of Muhammad: they will enter Paradise and will be called Al-Jahannamiyin (The Hell Fire people)." [Sahih Bukhari, Volume 8, Book 76, Number 571]




and so on..

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Debate-Will Muhammad Intercess on the Day Of Judgement?
« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2004, 06:25:02 PM »
peace,

blah I should have retitled it will Muhammad Intercess for us? just because God will permit intercession for those who believe does not mean Muhammad will intercess for people he never knew

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Debate-Will Muhammad Intercess on the Day Of Judgement?
« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2004, 06:41:56 PM »
Same concept still.

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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2004, 02:25:37 PM »
peace,

no, your quotes from the Qu'ran prove that their will be intercession on the Day of Judgement but read the example in the article

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Since the Quran is the most accurate book, it acknowledges that everyone in Paradise will intercede on behalf of his or her loved ones: "Please God, admit my mother into Paradise." This intercession will work if the person's mother deserves to go to Paradise (2:255, 20:109, 21:28 ). Thus, intercession, though it will take place in this manner, is utterly useless.

We learn from the Quran that Abraham, God's beloved servant, could not intercede on behalf of his father (9:114). Noah could not intercede on behalf of his son (11:46). Muhammad could not intercede on behalf of his uncle (111:1-3) or relatives (9:80). What makes anyone think that a prophet or a saint will intercede on behalf of a perfect stranger?!

See 2:48, 123; 6:51, 70, 94; 7:53; 10:3; 19:87; 26:100; 30:13; 32:4; 36:23; 39:44; 40:18; 43:86; 53:26 & 74:48. Muhammad's intercession is in 25:30.

ANOTHER THING IS THAT HOW CAN MUHAMMAD INTERCESS ON BEHALF OF THE PEOPLE WHEN HE COULD ONLY UNDERSTAND ARABIC AND IS NOW DEAD NOT ABLE TO SEE THE EVENTS OF YOUR LIFE OR KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOU TO INTERCESS ON YOUR BEHALF ABOUT?


in no way does the verses that you quoted prove that Muhammad, a man who only spoke and understood one language, is now dead and will never know anything about those who live nowadays or their lives will intercess for them

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The concept of intercession is utterly illogical. Those who believe in Muhammad's intercession, for example, claim that he will ask God to forgive them and admit them into Paradise. They imagine Muhammad on the Day of Judgment choosing the candidates for his intercession.
If you ask those who believe in intercession: "How will Muhammad recognize those who deserve his intercession?" they tell you, "God will tell him!" According to this concept, a person will go to Muhammad and request his intercession. Muhammad will then ask God whether this person deserves his intercession or not. God will inform Muhammad that the person deserves to go to Paradise. Muhammad will then turn around and tell God that the person deserves to go to Paradise! The blasphemy is obvious; those who believe in intercession make God a secretary of their idol Muhammad. God be glorified.


hope to see your response soon

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