Peace Arnold, Lobster, all,
Lobster, the poll was triggered after reading this same article:
http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/in-no-timeQuoteEfforts to understand time below the Planck scale have led to an exceedingly strange juncture in physics. The problem, in brief, is that time may not exist at the most fundamental level of physical reality. If so, then what is time? And why is it so obviously and tyrannically omnipresent in our own experience? ?The meaning of time has become terribly problematic in contemporary physics,? says Simon Saunders, a philosopher of physics at the University of Oxford. ?The situation is so uncomfortable that by far the best thing to do is declare oneself an agnostic.?...
?One finds that time just disappears from the Wheeler-DeWitt equation,? says Carlo Rovelli, a physicist at the University of the Mediterranean in Marseille, France. ?It is an issue that many theorists have puzzled about. It may be that the best way to think about quantum reality is to give up the notion of time?that the fundamental description of the universe must be timeless.? ...
?I recently went to the National Institute of Standards and Technology in Boulder,? says Lloyd. (NIST is the government lab that houses the atomic clock that standardizes time for the nation.) ?I said something like, ?Your clocks measure time very accurately.? They told me, ?Our clocks do not measure time.? I thought, Wow, that?s very humble of these guys. But they said, ?No, time is defined to be what our clocks measure.? Which is true. They define the time standards for the globe: Time is defined by the number of clicks of their clocks.?
Arnold, you stated:
QuoteTime is created by the presence of movement of energy in any form, matters, rays, Quantum Field.
But the movement itself is the energy - the movement exists. The mapping/measurement of that movement (time) does not.
QuoteThe movement indiciates time.
I disagree. Time is what indicates movement.
QuoteIf there is no movement at all, then there can be no thoughts, no observation, nothing. So no time.
Exactamundo (minus the thought part). So, time, in and of itself, does not exist - just as observation does not exist. But thought does not require movement last I time checked.
QuoteIf you are talking about Alen being in space without anything, then for him, it seems time can be almost still. But it is not, because his thought-process is created through energy movement that is created through cause and effect, which is linear. Meaning, one thought succeeds another, thus time moving forward. So Alen's only indicator of time elapsing would be his own thougths.
I disagree. Without a reference point, one cannot measure anything. Imagine flying in a space shuttle but there are no planets or stars or any type of matter whatsoever. You could not calculate the distance travelled not the speed nor the time. You need a starting point or some point along the way to measure against. Without this point, you have no reference, thus you have no time.
QuoteI agree with you that God doesn not think. His knowledge was there always, so there was no need for thoughts succeeding one another, as there is no need for a learning curve. This is why He is outside time as All of His Being have always existed in the same infinite level. There is no increase in God. He is Samad, unique and self-containing and completely in balance.
Peace!
