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Started by Bahman, January 13, 2008, 01:04:42 AM

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Bahman

QuoteIs it your view that the only sure way to verify The Quran is using code-19?
Is it your view that the only sure way to verify God is through code-19?
In above I explained for you my background and my religious environment. 1977, 60 years after my birth far away from birth place found myself desperate to refuge to some where or something to help me to answer my question when I witnessed 15 years old girl is doing prostitution for her parents drinks and drug. I was desprate hwy we are here and why out humanity has gone so low that doing things which no animal does.  Does a creator exist.? What is porpose of this creation? Where we come from where do we go.?  I was mad and screaming and tearing front of 15 years girl and asking god aare you there? Do you see what happens ? why you do not show yourself.  Why such injustice in all societies? Why such corruption and many why?
Doe God exist?
I wondered when the young girl replied yes ?God exist and we are here for test? Those that qualify in tis life would be chosen for better life and those that go wrong path will doomed. And she continued? I asked her wait for minute and sat up the recorder. I gave a instruction which was an angry one and she talked. The tape still exist and may one day she likes to publish it. It is her choice and privacy.
How ever such incident was kind of alert which now I was an agnostic  believing in creation due to all these life design from space to dna  but rejecting any message and its bearer.
9-19-1993 I wrote a letter in Farsi for my daughter which  never sent .  Now it is part of my Farsi bio which has not been continued for couple years. I am explaining how I believe in creation but not in scriptures and their bearers as are contradicting each other when is claimed are from same source.
But above incident initiated another round of search to find any sign clearly demonstrate is from creator. I was looking for a sign from invisible God for existence  like invisible magnetic force diverting pointer of compass to soul and north or invisible gravity force which cause apple to fall from tree.

Nobody could show me such thing.  My new search started with borrowing Quran which recently she had purchased when she visited Iran. I had small verities shop and during quite hours I was leaning on Quran and pasting with yellow marker those verse which was interesting to re read.
My daughter left that copy with me and I have it. The translation is polluted with Shia  influences even the translator is educated one.
I got nothing out of those messages to show me solid proof for existence of superhuman and divinity of Quran hence many messages are copy of previous scriptures.

Now for last 2 years I have been interested in computer and I had learned shell dos by using f7 with 286 model which was parked for long in my younger son locker.  When I purchased the business there was a 486 computer in inventory.
My hobby now during work wa learning programs. I learnt 123 excel and could program it for all my accounts and inventory in store. One of my customer found about my interest in learning computer.
He was working as programmer for a large  financial firm handling government accounts. He was part time teacher in college after work. He got fiend to me and anytime he was free he was helping me in my questions and teaching.
Now he was talking about internet which was very new and not many knew how to be connected and use it.
He offered me his help to set up on my pc at home. Took while using diskettes and last model window 311. took more time to understand and find that I can visit other people publication and using search engine like WebCrawler, alta vista, excite, and later Netscape.
My first search was ?Does God Exist??
In the list I visited submission.org
Reading First chapter mathematical structure which need a little Arabic  knowledge  could clearly demonstrate a super human design which we can not imitate it after 1400 years using all kind of cad
I made a slide show of it and GW soon I will updated for youtube. I never cared about finder and for months I was studying seven pairs in  those 29 chapters . Now I was believing that Quran is authored by God but how many of those messages are protected fully like first verse first chapter   we are not sure. We will find truth and God knows best when.
Certainly existence of science which for last century human has discovered is another sign of proof for divinity . But should be careful to be sure our science is error proof other way by disappearing theories the divinity would too.
In the mean time not many know all those science theory but every know numbers and do not change.
My final word is that code 19 is the only tool for human to day to witness existence  of creator in His design of Quran text and protecting it. Those that rejecting it should produce one then I would say sorry I was wrong. .
cont....
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Bahman

Do you believe you are a divine messenger?
By now reading my short bio you may have got answer for your question. I never claimed such thing and even if GW i be  divine ( assigned by God ) then i would have clear proof. 
But I am God?s soldier like many of us using this keyboard as my weapon and words of God as ammunition destroying Satan?s elements in thoughts which causing bloodshed, disease, poverty, corruption and all bad things. We are hear for peace and friendship and uniting together under God Alone and His only Protected messages in Quran Alone.
So please discuss issue with your friends , reconsider your topic and add "Quran Alone" after God Alone. This was a reminder. 
Peace.   
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Bahman

Quote from: 2Pac - Notts on January 14, 2008, 07:11:11 AM

The Quran is a guide or a map even. Everyone has One God instinctively embedded in them when born so thats the basis to start off with.

I'll give you an example to make you understand: Let's say you went out and bought a desk and you bring it home open it up and there's a set of instructions on how to build it. Think of the instructions to set the desk up being the quran. Can you build the desk without the instructions? Course you can!!

It will take abit of trial and error but you will get there eventually. But using the instructions(quran) to build the desk it makes it easier for us so we don't make mistakes.

What you are doing my friend is not letting people start building the desk but shoving the instructions in their faces.

Hence in my opinion Quran alone isn't a right notion but God Alone is perfect as it perfectly describes monotheism and our MAIN goal in life is to dedicate our lives to God ALONE.


PEACE
PEACE
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Peace and thank you for nice example.
Today we see how many desk are sat up there which none of them is correct one. Each has their  deficiency due to people carried desk and instruction manipulated the instruction and deducted or added their own opinions.
Mohammedan did it different, first they added 2 verses to Quran and then fabricated their own instruction which finally when you put it together is not  desk . It is like garbage bin and smelly too.

Are these people into a modern and what most people like to believe in God Alone with No MESSAGES. Where is the instruction . do we have another Modern Bukharaie that instructs to buld desk in the name of Manfacturer using their own instruction.
If they are using Quran instruction why they Hide it. ?
Remember Mohammedans claim are using Quran when they do not. 
Peace.
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Prince

Quote from: Bahman on January 14, 2008, 07:06:38 PM
PEACE


Peace and thank you for nice example.
Today we see how many desk are sat up there which none of them is correct one. Each has their  deficiency due to people carried desk and instruction manipulated the instruction and deducted or added their own opinions.
Mohammedan did it different, first they added 2 verses to Quran and then fabricated their own instruction which finally when you put it together is not  desk . It is like garbage bin and smelly too.

Are these people into a modern and what most people like to believe in God Alone with No MESSAGES. Where is the instruction . do we have another Modern Bukharaie that instructs to buld desk in the name of Manfacturer using their own instruction.
If they are using Quran instruction why they Hide it. ?
Remember Mohammedans claim are using Quran when they do not. 
Peace.


What is important though is people start to build the desk(acting on the quran). Whether the people are adding or deleting instructions(in the quran) as you put it isn't going to change the outcome of having to build the desk(live life)......People will still have to build the desk but they just make it hard for themselves.

My main point being with the example is that one can reach the final destination without the quran but not without "belief" in God. Hence why God Alone notion is the most logical terminology to use rather than Quran alone as The Gods guidance/message isn't limited to the text in the quran.

PEACE
A book is only as good as it?s reader. Once opened symbols present themselves for the reader to decipher. We learn and relearn new conceptual models to comprehend these symbols. A book is only a tool.

Wakas

I was expecting much shorter answers, sorry if I was not clear.

Anyways, I do not have the power to ban anyone. I recommend you do not persist with baseless accusations.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

Bahman

Quote from: Wakas on January 15, 2008, 08:30:57 AM
I was expecting much shorter answers, sorry if I was not clear.

Sorry for taking your time .
here is short answer:
QuoteIs it your view that we need to believe in Quran in order to be saved (so to speak)?
God with no message is like road with no sign which way to turn.   
QuoteIs it your view that the only sure way to verify The Quran is using code-19?
Quran with no proof is another bible when most part of it is same.
QuoteIs it your view that the only sure way to verify God is through code-19?
Yes for Mohammedans Abjad, GV,Text,29 chapters . For rest of world  Simple Pure Numbers. 
QuoteDo you believe you are a divine messenger?
No.

Anyways, I do not have the power to ban anyone. I recommend you do not persist with baseless accusations.
the reason was because I recieved following message from you

From: Free-Minds (laytth@hotmail.com)   
Sent: December 11, 2007 7:21:46 AM
To:  y19net@msn.com

You have just been sent a personal message by Wakas on Free-Minds. IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email. The message they sent you was:
salaam, Please use the personal message function when addressing a specific member, not the public forum. Thanks.
WakasModerator


and then layth wrote here.:
http://19.org/forum/index.php/mv/msg/7060/46548/0/#msg_46571


Dear Bahman,

I am sorry to hear that you were banned from the FM forum.

The moderators have the authority to take action based on certain criteria (mainly adhering to the rules of the forum) and they do not need to consult or revert back to me.

God willing I will look into the reasons behind the ban
.

How wevr that was break to do other things :)
Peace

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Bahman

Quote from: 2Pac - Notts on January 14, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
What is important though is people start to build the desk(acting on the quran). Whether the people are adding or deleting instructions(in the quran) as you put it isn't going to change the outcome of having to build the desk(live life)......People will still have to build the desk but they just make it hard for themselves.

My main point being with the example is that one can reach the final destination without the quran but not without "belief" in God. Hence why God Alone notion is the most logical terminology to use rather than Quran alone as The Gods guidance/message isn't limited to the text in the quran.

PEACE
By using Quran Alone all people believing in God Alone would follow same path and only one source. This do not mean that obey word by word of messages as the book was revealed 1400 years ago for human to end of worl. So there are messages that belongs to past or to location  like 2 women instead of one man to sign the contract.  Now we have to feel forms by financial institutions and be approved for our credit. Such message is not more valid unless for lections which do not let women to be educated and keep them in blue, black bag. 
Or when God authored for prophet hide behind Masque to fight enemy .the war is controlled by remote computerized robot and no chance hide behind Masque and many other messages that belongs to past.
To walk in same path we nee a common source.  A source that be sure is word of God not human.  Now we have proof for 29 + plus first chapters . We should accept those verse that matches our life in this era and those that are stopping us from building a desk that every body can use it should checked for right meaning or investigate for any manipulation.
Walking into unit we need a path which is God Alone but which direction there are many and for now we have only one divine one which is  Quran Alone.
Peace.
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Wakas

Thanks for shortening your answers. They were as I expected. From the email messages you showed (which in itself is a rule violation), Layth uses the plural "moderators", and as I said a single moderator cannot ban anyone.



If you still dispute the above, please note, the above message is 38 words long, which is 19x2, and there is 2 of us involved in this discussion... this is not coincidence, so it must be true.

;D
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

Bahman

Quote19x2
Peace everybody.
I see is time i say good bye to all those reading and those partcipating in my discussion. This forum and other forums have been like masue for me to learn and transfer my opinion. The evornment of this forum has been poisned by those that theri heart is beating with their parents belief and decorate with chanting God Alone but when you ask them which God? they strt mocking.

I become sad when  isee amoderator instead answering my queation mocks my belief which left athiesm due to solid proof that none of these high dgree holder are not able to produce even one.
Pleas forgive me for wrong spelling as i did not made a draft and all content od these post is done without any edit and corretion for last hour.

From now I am hosting those like to discuss issues with real name starting with knowng them on the line with real name.
Dear:
Kyle Jewell
Sister Majidah ( Maria)
Edip Yuksel
Layth Shaban
Idm Khizer
As'ad ( for security against  tyranouse Mohammedan in Iran I do reveal his last name.
and many more which my shor memory is not able to record all of them
All I ask from Layth and his moderator please do not delete my fileas i will use those for refernce sometime and may there be some word that be liked by truth seeker
Do you know 12692 (Googol^100) how many 19 is?
a figure with 12691 digits times 19 and then 1+2+6+9+2=19 
then 12692=19x668
6:68
If you see those who mock our revelations, you shall avoid them until they delve into another subject. If the devil causes you to forget, then, as soon as you remember, do not sit with such evil people.

I got vision that I should spend my time with poeple that agree with God Alone Quran Alone.
I have no discussion with you and poeple with. But rember these post and that message. The door is open any time yoiu repent to God Alone and do your life with Quran Alone according to TIME and LOCATION.
I am not follwing any brand name fro FM to PM to RM ........etc. I am believer. I believe God exist and Quran is protected as much we have discovered. 
66-8
O you who believe, you shall repent to GOD a firm repentance. Your Lord will then remit your sins and admit you into gardens with flowing streams. On that day, GOD will not disappoint the prophet and those who believed with him. Their light will radiate in front of them and to their right. They will say, "Our Lord, perfect our light for us, and forgive us; You are Omnipotent."

then 12691=7x1813= 7x259=7x37
12691=37x7x7x7

18-13
We narrate to you their history, truthfully. They were youths who believed in their Lord, and we increased their guidance.
Come and be one of them.

2:59
But the wicked among them carried out commands other than the commands given to them. Consequently, we sent down upon the transgressors condemnation from the sky, due to their wickedness.

25:9
Note how they called you all kinds of names, and how this led them astray, never to find their way back.

Hitory repeats but this time just for a simple beliver


3:7
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.


[37:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[37:1] The arrangers in columns.

[37:2] The blamers of those to be blamed.

[37:3] The reciters of the messages.

[37:4] Your god is only one.

[37:5] The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, and Lord of the easts.

[37:6] We have adorned the lowest heaven with adorning planets.

[37:7] We guarded it from every evil devil.

[37:8] They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side.

[37:9] They have been condemned; they have incurred an eternal retribution.

[37:10] If any of them ventures to charge the outer limits, he gets struck with a fierce projectile.

[37:11] Ask them, "Are they more difficult to create, or the other creations?" We created them from wet mud.

[37:12] While you are awed, they mock.

[37:13] When reminded, they take no heed.

[37:14] When they see proof, they ridicule it.

[37:15] They say, "This is obviously magic!

[37:16] "After we die and become dust and bones, do we get resurrected?

[37:17] "Even our ancient ancestors?"

[37:18] Say, "Yes, you will be forcibly summoned."

[37:19] All it takes is one nudge, whereupon they (stand up) looking.

[37:20] They will say, "Woe to us; this is the Day of Judgment."

[37:21] This is the day of decision that you used to disbelieve in.

[37:22] Summon the transgressors, and their spouses, and the idols they worshipped

[37:23] beside GOD, and guide them to the path of Hell.

[37:24] Stop them, and ask them:


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*37:5 Every heavenly body rises on the planet earth, and sets. Every rise is called "east."
*37:6 We live in the innermost and smallest universe. The jinns are confined to this universe.

[37:25] "Why do you not help one another?"

[37:26] They will be, on that day, totally submitting.

Mutual Blaming

[37:27] They will come to each other, questioning and blaming one another.

[37:28] They will say (to their leaders), "You used to come to us from the right side."

[37:29] They will respond, "It is you who were not believers.

[37:30] "We never had any power over you; it is you who were wicked.

[37:31] "We justly incurred our Lord's judgment; now we have to suffer.

[37:32] "We misled you, only because we were astray."

[37:33] Thus, together they will all partake of the retribution on that day.

[37:34] This is how we requite the guilty.

The First Commandment

[37:35] When they were told, "Laa Elaaha Ella Allah [There is no other god beside GOD]," they turned arrogant.

[37:36] They said, "Shall we leave our gods for the sake of a crazy poet?"

[37:37] In fact, he has brought the truth, and has confirmed the messengers.

[37:38] Most assuredly, you will taste the most painful retribution.

[37:39] You are requited only for what you have done.

[37:40] Only GOD's servants who are absolutely devoted to Him alone (will be saved).

[37:41] They have deserved provisions that are reserved specifically for them.

[37:42] All kinds of fruits. They will be honored.

[37:43] In the gardens of bliss.

[37:44] On furnishings close to one another.

[37:45] Cups of pure drinks will be offered to them.

[37:46] Clear and delicious for the drinkers.

[37:47] Never polluted, and never exhausted.

[37:48] With them will be wonderful companions.

[37:49] Protected like fragile eggs.

The Dwellers of Heaven Visit the Dwellers of Hell

[37:50] They will come to each other, and confer with one another.

[37:51] One of them will say, "I used to have a friend.

[37:52] "He used to mock: `Do you believe all this?

[37:53] " `After we die and turn into dust and bones, do we get called to account?' "

[37:54] He will say, "Just take a look!"

[37:55] When he looks, he will see his friend in the heart of Hell.

[37:56] He (will go to him and) say, "By GOD, you almost ruined me.

[37:57] "If it were not for my Lord's blessing, I would have been with you now.

[37:58] "(Do you still believe) that we die,

[37:59] "only the first death, and we never receive any requital?"

Redemption: The Greatest Triumph

[37:60] Such is the greatest triumph.

[37:61] This is what every worker should work for.

[37:62] Is this a better destiny, or the tree of bitterness?

[37:63] We have rendered it a punishment for the transgressors.

[37:64] It is a tree that grows in the heart of Hell.

[37:65] Its flowers look like the devils' heads.

[37:66] They will eat from it until their bellies are filled up.

[37:67] Then they will top it with a hellish drink.

[37:68] Then they will return to Hell.

They Followed Their Parents Blindly

[37:69] They found their parents astray.

[37:70] And they blindly followed in their footsteps.

[37:71] Most of the previous generations have strayed in the same manner.

[37:72] We have sent to them warners.

[37:73] Note the consequences for those who have been warned.

[37:74] Only GOD's servants who are absolutely devoted to Him alone (are saved).

Noah

[37:75] Thus, Noah called upon us, and we were the best responders.

[37:76] We saved him and his family from the great disaster.


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*37:55 People who make it to Heaven will be able to visit their relatives and friends in Hell, without adverse consequences. In the Hereafter, anyone can move downward, but not upward beyond a certain limit. The limit is decided by one's degree of growth and development (App. 5).
[37:77] We made his companions the survivors.

[37:78] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:79] Peace be upon Noah among the peoples.

[37:80] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:81] He is one of our believing servants.

[37:82] We drowned all the others.

Abraham

[37:83] Among his followers was Abraham.

[37:84] He came to his Lord wholeheartedly.

[37:85] He said to his father and his people, "What are you worshipping?

[37:86] "Is it these fabricated gods, instead of GOD, that you want?

[37:87] "What do you think of the Lord of the universe?"

[37:88] He looked carefully at the stars.

[37:89] Then he gave up and said, "I am tired of this!"

[37:90] They turned away from him.

[37:91] He then turned on their idols, saying, "Would you like to eat?

[37:92] "Why do you not speak?"

[37:93] He then destroyed them.

[37:94] They went to him in a great rage.

[37:95] He said, "How can you worship what you carve?

[37:96] "When GOD has created you, and everything you make!"

[37:97] They said, "Let us build a great fire, and throw him into it."

[37:98] They schemed against him, but we made them the losers.

[37:99] He said, "I am going to my Lord; He will guide me."

[37:100] "My Lord, grant me righteous children."

[37:101] We gave him good news of a good child.

Satanic Dream*

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."*


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*37:102 The Most Merciful never advocates evil (7:28). As with Job, Satan claimed that Abraham loved his son too much, and was permitted to put Abraham to that severe test.

[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).

God Intervenes to Save Abraham and Ismail

[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.

[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.

[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.

[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.

[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.

[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.

Birth of Isaac

[37:112] Then we gave him the good news about the birth of Isaac, to be one of the righteous prophets.

[37:113] We blessed him and Isaac. Among their descendants, some are righteous, and some are wicked transgressors.

Moses and Aaron

[37:114] We also blessed Moses and Aaron.

[37:115] We delivered them and their people from the great disaster.

[37:116] We supported them, until they became the winners.

[37:117] We gave both of them the profound scripture.

[37:118] We guided them in the right path.

[37:119] We preserved their history for subsequent generations.

[37:120] Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.

[37:121] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:122] Both of them were among our righteous servants.

Elias

[37:123] Elias was one of the messengers.

[37:124] He said to his people, "Would you not work righteousness?

[37:125] "Do you worship a statue, instead of the Supreme Creator?

[37:126] "GOD; your Lord, and the Lord of your forefathers!"

[37:127] They disbelieved him. Consequently, they had to be called to account.

[37:128] Only GOD's servants who are absolutely devoted to Him alone (are saved).

[37:129] We preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:130] Peace be upon Elias, and all those like Elias.

[37:131] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:132] He was one of our believing servants.

Lot

[37:133] Lot was one of the messengers.

[37:134] We saved him and all his family.

[37:135] Only the old woman was doomed.

[37:136] We annihilated all the others.

[37:137] You still pass by their ruins by day.

[37:138] And by night. Would you understand?

Jonah

[37:139] Jonah was one of the messengers.

[37:140] He escaped to the loaded ship.

[37:141] He rebelled and thus, he joined the losers.

[37:142] Consequently, the fish swallowed him, and he was the one to blame.

[37:143] If it were not that he resorted to meditation (on God),

[37:144] he would have stayed in its belly until the Day of Resurrection.

[37:145] We had him thrown up into the desert, exhausted.

[37:146] We had a tree of edible fruit grown for him.

[37:147] Then we sent him to a hundred thousand, or more.

[37:148] They did believe, and we let them enjoy this life.

[37:149] Ask them if your Lord have daughters, while they have sons!

[37:150] Did we create the angels to be females? Did they witness that?

[37:151] Indeed, they grossly blaspheme when they say -

[37:152] "GOD has begotten a son." Indeed, they are liars.

[37:153] Did He choose the girls over the boys?


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*37:147 The Quran mentions 30 numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50000, and 100000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, or 19x8534 (see Appendix 1).
[37:154] What is wrong with your logic?

Addressing the Disbelievers

[37:155] Why do you not take heed?

[37:156] Do you have any proof?

[37:157] Show us your book, if you are truthful.

[37:158] They even invented a special relationship between Him and the jinns. The jinns themselves know that they are subservient.

[37:159] GOD be glorified; far above their claims.

[37:160] Only GOD's servants who are devoted to Him alone (are saved).

[37:161] Indeed, you and what you worship.

[37:162] Cannot impose anything on Him.

[37:163] Only you will burn in Hell.

The Angels

[37:164] Each one of us has a specific job.

[37:165] We are the arrangers.

[37:166] We have duly glorified (our Lord).

Following The Parents Blindly

[37:167] They used to say,

[37:168] "Had we received the correct instructions from our parents,

[37:169] "we would have been worshipers; devoted to GOD alone."

[37:170] But they disbelieved, and they will surely find out.

Victory for the Messengers Guaranteed

[37:171] Our decision is already decreed for our servants the messengers.

[37:172] They are surely the victors.

[37:173] Our soldiers are the winners.

[37:174] So disregard them for awhile.

[37:175] Watch them; they too will watch.

[37:176] Do they challenge our retribution?

[37:177] When it hits them one day, it will be a miserable day; they have been sufficiently warned.

[37:178] Disregard them for awhile.

[37:179] Watch them; they too will watch.

[37:180] Glory be to your Lord, the great Lord; far above their claims.

[37:181] Peace be upon the messengers.

[37:182] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.


Praise be to God Lord of Universe.
Peace
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Wakas

Bahman,

You are right, my comment could be seen as mocking your belief, but I was also making a point. More correctly, I was mocking the methodology of code-19, e.g. that it can be manipulated to "prove" many things, no matter how absurd. The methodology of code-19 is significantly flawed, as shown by the discussion/articles brothers Ayman and Edip had. Please note, flaws in code-19 methodology in no way imply there is no mathematical component in AQ.

I asked you those questions because I wanted to see how much of your view was AQ based and how much was code-19 based. To prove your views are AQ based, feel free to write some articles on the answers you gave, and we will see if they stand up.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

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