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Started by Bahman, January 13, 2008, 01:04:42 AM

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Bahman

Peace.

FREE MIND moderators did not like my question

?Is "Quarn Alone" missing? or !!?

You notice how they are mocking and pretend that do not know the question.  They change the topic title and locked it.  :rotfl:

Is this real.

We read in introducing the topic by moderators .

?path of `GOD Alone`?.

By what means we  find path of  ?God Alone? ?
Peace.
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Layth

Salam Bahman,

Nice to see you back.

Quote?Is "Quarn Alone" missing? or !!?

We read in introducing the topic by moderators .

?path of `GOD Alone`?.

By what means we  find path of  ?God Alone? ?

I have found no support to the notion of `Quran Alone` as a description, while the concept of `God Alone` exists within the teachings of the Quran itself (39:45, 7:70, 40:12, 40:84, 60:4).

The closest we find is the statement: `And if you mention your Lord in the Qur`an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion` (17:46) which again refers to God as being the reason the people turn away and not the Qur`an in itself.

I hope the above clarifies the issue.

Regards,
`And when God Alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who do not believe in the Hereafter are filled with aversion; and when others are mentioned beside Him, they rejoice!` (The Quran 39:45)

OPF

"Quran alone" is sort of sect. God alone unites, you can actually be linked to someone by God alone, but good luck piping "quran alone" and getting a similar effect.

ayani

hmm, interesting point. the Quran *calls* for unity based upon the adoration and trust of God / Allah alone- even across religious lines, certainly across any ethnic or national lines.

the path of God is described as submission to God, remembrance of God, conciousness of God throughout the day, gratitude, righteousness.... i am making a small list of passags that describe very beautifully this deen, i may begin a new thread later.

salam ~ hanifa

Salam al-Masih

Bahman

Peace Layth.
Thank you for your welcome.
Quote"Quran alone" is sort of sect.
Are you promoting a sect by translating QURAN and promoting it when you use messages ?
QuoteGod alone unites, you can actually be linked to someone by God alone.
I agree that unites but what is base for this unity. ?
Where are real messages?  Why not other scripture?
Should we  ignore these messages?
The essence of Quran is authored in this message:
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
So let us add Mohammedans to this list as is after Quran.
We do not need any book or any proof for existence of God and His  book to believe in God . But as soon as we are in public and  invite others to follow God Alone then we are asked  which God. ?
Is this new God?
What proof for existence of this God?
Does God has has any messages for human?
Which God ?Which Message.?
If you are not believing in Quran Alone then why you translate it and use it in you discussion?
Peace.

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Bahman

Quote from: Layth on January 13, 2008, 02:09:59 AM
Salam Bahman,

Nice to see you back.

I have found no support to the notion of `Quran Alone` as a description, while the concept of `God Alone` exists within the teachings of the Quran itself (39:45, 7:70, 40:12, 40:84, 60:4).

The closest we find is the statement: `And if you mention your Lord in the Qur`an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion` (17:46) which again refers to God as being the reason the people turn away and not the Qur`an in itself.

I hope the above clarifies the issue.

Regards,
I apologize for mixing 2 post in one response:

Thank you for your welcome
I have found no support to the notion of `Quran Alone` as a description, while the concept of `God Alone` exists within the teachings of the Quran itself (39:45, 7:70, 40:12, 40:84, 60:4).
The closest we find is the statement: `And if you mention your Lord in the Qur`an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion` (17:46) which again refers to God as being the reason the people turn away and not the Qur`an in itself.

But here is several verses that advise us that Quran is only completed one and confirms all previous scripture.
Should we  ignore these messages?
Peace.
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Bahman

Quote from: OPF on January 13, 2008, 07:09:42 AM
"Quran alone" is sort of sect. God alone unites, you can actually be linked to someone by God alone, but good luck piping "quran alone" and getting a similar effect.
How can unite without messages?
So you mean all these  can use their own books and unite under one God? I can not understand what you mean
Peace
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Wakas

Bahman, I have some questions for you...

Is it your view that we need to believe in Quran in order to be saved (so to speak)?

Is it your view that the only sure way to verify The Quran is using code-19?

Is it your view that the only sure way to verify God is through code-19?

Do you believe you are a divine messenger?
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

Prince

Quote from: Bahman on January 13, 2008, 02:22:02 PM
Peace Layth.
Thank you for your welcome.Are you promoting a sect by translating QURAN and promoting it when you use messages ?I agree that unites but what is base for this unity. ?
Where are real messages?  Why not other scripture?
Should we  ignore these messages?
The essence of Quran is authored in this message:
Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve.
So let us add Mohammedans to this list as is after Quran.
We do not need any book or any proof for existence of God and His  book to believe in God . But as soon as we are in public and  invite others to follow God Alone then we are asked  which God. ?
Is this new God?
What proof for existence of this God?
Does God has has any messages for human?
Which God ?Which Message.?
If you are not believing in Quran Alone then why you translate it and use it in you discussion?
Peace.




The Quran is a guide or a map even. Everyone has One God instinctively embedded in them when born so thats the basis to start off with.

I'll give you an example to make you understand: Let's say you went out and bought a desk and you bring it home open it up and there's a set of instructions on how to build it. Think of the instructions to set the desk up being the quran. Can you build the desk without the instructions? Course you can!!

It will take abit of trial and error but you will get there eventually. But using the instructions(quran) to build the desk it makes it easier for us so we don't make mistakes.

What you are doing my friend is not letting people start building the desk but shoving the instructions in their faces.

Hence in my opinion Quran alone isn't a right notion but God Alone is perfect as it perfectly describes monotheism and our MAIN goal in life is to dedicate our lives to God ALONE.


PEACE
A book is only as good as it?s reader. Once opened symbols present themselves for the reader to decipher. We learn and relearn new conceptual models to comprehend these symbols. A book is only a tool.

Bahman

Dear Wakas:

I am not sure why you banned me for 30 days but GW and gave me time to finish some other projects.
In topic I stated by name of sister Majidah ( Maria) iwas going to write same things here and now I write for you .

QuoteIs it your view that we need to believe in Quran in order to be saved (so to speak)?
Please have patience and allow me take advantage of this topic explain how  I came to God Alone Quran Alone.

It was first year of my conversion  when I had a surprised invitation from catholic school which is largest one in middle of villages and farms. The surprise was that they asked me to run as religious session for grade 11 about Islam. The person brought invitation was 17 years old catholic  Claude that I knew him for last few months and helping me to bring woods for heating my place when I had bad back disk pain.
I asked him how school knows me and why they have chosen me. He said  I have seen you studying Quran and talked about proof of book to me I recommended to our religion teacher and she agreed.
It was difficult situation as I was atheist and not interested in religions since I was 12-14 years old.  I was born in Shia family.  My father name was Fathoallah and my mother was Zahra ( Prophet daughter Fatima another name)> I never saw my grand father (father) he was a clergy mechant with turban and aba and he was Hajji ( visited stone cube)  Abdolrahim.  I grew up in family that none of them practicing prayers ? etc.
My father was drinker and never gone to Masque unless for funeral as id in whole of my life. ( I am happy did so because now I found that God advise us do not go to idolized masques). I never found why my father son of a Hajji changed to an theist when he was not educated to know Darwinism. He had few years of old Maktab education hardly reading and writing but he knew Abjad by heart which I never learned until my conversion.  I reneber he stopped drinking at age of 70+ and doing his 17 Rukat. Iwonder hiw he knew all those Arabic verses in his prayer.  He knew Arabi as he was grown up in Najaf ( Iraq) in his childhood.  He was very honest and helping others. My brother the oldest one in family ( 16 years older than me (86) was a religious one and as my sister says he was chanting Quran every morning before going to work. (couple years ago my sister sent me the family Quran which blonged to my brother with his name stamped on first page . This is first translated printed Quran.  It is 65 years old and due to quality of paper and age is very delicate and not easy to use it. )
Learning religious session in  school and high school was one of the most difficult subject for me and learn it just to pass the exam  with minimum and then forgot .
My mentor was my brother when he left Quran at age of 25 and converted to Darwinist.  I never prayed and did religious practices in my life. In 1978-79 when Khomeini and his follower replaced corrupted Monarchy regime of Shah as was planned by Jimmy Carter administration I was penalized to loose my position and dissolving department  I was managing  ( Training department ) for a government wood and paper industries ( 3000 employees)  because they found that I am not praying and did not know direction of Quibleh. (One of the reasons I immigrated to Canada )

No with such background and being very new to Quran I was asked  to run session in catholic school about Islam.
I had  no problem for presenting  and instruction in class as  I had done many times in technical sessions based on  instructional technique which I have had the course  in 1972 in Canada. But the subject was very new for me .   Then I got vision that God authored in Quran that support believers . I do my side and rest in control of almighty.  I had one week time and now had time to prepare, transparencies for over head projectors, copies of hand out at the end of session? etc.
Day came ,Well dressed catholic teacher introduced me and sat in end of room in corner watching me.
Subject :
Proof of divinity of Quran in Hi-Tech era by aid of computer. 45 min and then 15 min question period.
Simple facts:
Everything was right. I could not hear any noise which is normal I schools . question period  started and first question was by a male student :
Can you marry 4 wives?
Yes, in special situation when the numbers of women are higher than men and have to be supported. But they should be treated equal for everything which is not an easy task. This avoids married man to have a mistress, and other wrong sexual activities and relation too.
Is Jesus son of God. ?
No, God had no sexuality like human to make intercourse, Jesus was created by God in womb  of Marry as he created Adam.  My opinion for such creation is that God reminding Satan that earth is God?s domain and he can create a pure human with God?s soul. Jesus was a human like me and you but God gave him such power like other prophets and messengers for proofing  his assignment which is right path toward God Alone.
No more question and then teacher said I have a question :
How about those millions in past and those millions at present do not know about code 19 and did not read Quran. God consider them guilty?
No.
God authored in Quran no matter what is your belief, as far as you believe in God, be righteous and believe in Judgments day you are saved.
Code 19 is just a tool demonstrating existence of superhuman protecting his messages for 1400 years. The human has reached to level of knowledge that with help of computer is traveling into space and same machine is defining which scripture has not been manipulated or if is done is rejecting it.

That was end and when I was walking in hallway Claude run after me and said I congratulate you, I have been in this school since grade one and it was amazing tosee a quite class like this one. I said praise be to God supporting believers.
Then next day Claude came to my place with a an expensive chocolate box wrapped in eastern gift paper and pictures of Pyramids which could hiding a message .    http://www.submission.org/quran/webqt.php?&indata=6+6
     

Let me repeat your question again and see if I have answered it:

QuoteIs it your view that we need to believe in Quran in order to be saved (so to speak)?
2:62 clearly says all God need is 3 things, believe in God, be righteous, and believe in Judgment day. 

I had  one of those 3 conditions  my record shows I was righteous even I was atheist . then at 50-60
I changed to agnostic, at 60 a personal case initiated new round of search for existence of God and his real sign and messages. Then code 19 was a bridge to take me here. 
I have posted site that shows how many gods are there in this era in ink and paper but which one is not manipulated and prove for their divinity ? 
God with no communication is another god.    Believe in God. Which one. God with no message. !
Then why you forum is full of Quran related topics? Why you use messages of God in Quran not other one?
Cont?
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Bahman

QuoteIs it your view that the only sure way to verify The Quran is using code-19?
Is it your view that the only sure way to verify God is through code-19?
In above I explained for you my background and my religious environment. 1977, 60 years after my birth far away from birth place found myself desperate to refuge to some where or something to help me to answer my question when I witnessed 15 years old girl is doing prostitution for her parents drinks and drug. I was desprate hwy we are here and why out humanity has gone so low that doing things which no animal does.  Does a creator exist.? What is porpose of this creation? Where we come from where do we go.?  I was mad and screaming and tearing front of 15 years girl and asking god aare you there? Do you see what happens ? why you do not show yourself.  Why such injustice in all societies? Why such corruption and many why?
Doe God exist?
I wondered when the young girl replied yes ?God exist and we are here for test? Those that qualify in tis life would be chosen for better life and those that go wrong path will doomed. And she continued? I asked her wait for minute and sat up the recorder. I gave a instruction which was an angry one and she talked. The tape still exist and may one day she likes to publish it. It is her choice and privacy.
How ever such incident was kind of alert which now I was an agnostic  believing in creation due to all these life design from space to dna  but rejecting any message and its bearer.
9-19-1993 I wrote a letter in Farsi for my daughter which  never sent .  Now it is part of my Farsi bio which has not been continued for couple years. I am explaining how I believe in creation but not in scriptures and their bearers as are contradicting each other when is claimed are from same source.
But above incident initiated another round of search to find any sign clearly demonstrate is from creator. I was looking for a sign from invisible God for existence  like invisible magnetic force diverting pointer of compass to soul and north or invisible gravity force which cause apple to fall from tree.

Nobody could show me such thing.  My new search started with borrowing Quran which recently she had purchased when she visited Iran. I had small verities shop and during quite hours I was leaning on Quran and pasting with yellow marker those verse which was interesting to re read.
My daughter left that copy with me and I have it. The translation is polluted with Shia  influences even the translator is educated one.
I got nothing out of those messages to show me solid proof for existence of superhuman and divinity of Quran hence many messages are copy of previous scriptures.

Now for last 2 years I have been interested in computer and I had learned shell dos by using f7 with 286 model which was parked for long in my younger son locker.  When I purchased the business there was a 486 computer in inventory.
My hobby now during work wa learning programs. I learnt 123 excel and could program it for all my accounts and inventory in store. One of my customer found about my interest in learning computer.
He was working as programmer for a large  financial firm handling government accounts. He was part time teacher in college after work. He got fiend to me and anytime he was free he was helping me in my questions and teaching.
Now he was talking about internet which was very new and not many knew how to be connected and use it.
He offered me his help to set up on my pc at home. Took while using diskettes and last model window 311. took more time to understand and find that I can visit other people publication and using search engine like WebCrawler, alta vista, excite, and later Netscape.
My first search was ?Does God Exist??
In the list I visited submission.org
Reading First chapter mathematical structure which need a little Arabic  knowledge  could clearly demonstrate a super human design which we can not imitate it after 1400 years using all kind of cad
I made a slide show of it and GW soon I will updated for youtube. I never cared about finder and for months I was studying seven pairs in  those 29 chapters . Now I was believing that Quran is authored by God but how many of those messages are protected fully like first verse first chapter   we are not sure. We will find truth and God knows best when.
Certainly existence of science which for last century human has discovered is another sign of proof for divinity . But should be careful to be sure our science is error proof other way by disappearing theories the divinity would too.
In the mean time not many know all those science theory but every know numbers and do not change.
My final word is that code 19 is the only tool for human to day to witness existence  of creator in His design of Quran text and protecting it. Those that rejecting it should produce one then I would say sorry I was wrong. .
cont....
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Bahman

Do you believe you are a divine messenger?
By now reading my short bio you may have got answer for your question. I never claimed such thing and even if GW i be  divine ( assigned by God ) then i would have clear proof. 
But I am God?s soldier like many of us using this keyboard as my weapon and words of God as ammunition destroying Satan?s elements in thoughts which causing bloodshed, disease, poverty, corruption and all bad things. We are hear for peace and friendship and uniting together under God Alone and His only Protected messages in Quran Alone.
So please discuss issue with your friends , reconsider your topic and add "Quran Alone" after God Alone. This was a reminder. 
Peace.   
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Bahman

Quote from: 2Pac - Notts on January 14, 2008, 07:11:11 AM

The Quran is a guide or a map even. Everyone has One God instinctively embedded in them when born so thats the basis to start off with.

I'll give you an example to make you understand: Let's say you went out and bought a desk and you bring it home open it up and there's a set of instructions on how to build it. Think of the instructions to set the desk up being the quran. Can you build the desk without the instructions? Course you can!!

It will take abit of trial and error but you will get there eventually. But using the instructions(quran) to build the desk it makes it easier for us so we don't make mistakes.

What you are doing my friend is not letting people start building the desk but shoving the instructions in their faces.

Hence in my opinion Quran alone isn't a right notion but God Alone is perfect as it perfectly describes monotheism and our MAIN goal in life is to dedicate our lives to God ALONE.


PEACE
PEACE
[/quote]

Peace and thank you for nice example.
Today we see how many desk are sat up there which none of them is correct one. Each has their  deficiency due to people carried desk and instruction manipulated the instruction and deducted or added their own opinions.
Mohammedan did it different, first they added 2 verses to Quran and then fabricated their own instruction which finally when you put it together is not  desk . It is like garbage bin and smelly too.

Are these people into a modern and what most people like to believe in God Alone with No MESSAGES. Where is the instruction . do we have another Modern Bukharaie that instructs to buld desk in the name of Manfacturer using their own instruction.
If they are using Quran instruction why they Hide it. ?
Remember Mohammedans claim are using Quran when they do not. 
Peace.
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Prince

Quote from: Bahman on January 14, 2008, 07:06:38 PM
PEACE


Peace and thank you for nice example.
Today we see how many desk are sat up there which none of them is correct one. Each has their  deficiency due to people carried desk and instruction manipulated the instruction and deducted or added their own opinions.
Mohammedan did it different, first they added 2 verses to Quran and then fabricated their own instruction which finally when you put it together is not  desk . It is like garbage bin and smelly too.

Are these people into a modern and what most people like to believe in God Alone with No MESSAGES. Where is the instruction . do we have another Modern Bukharaie that instructs to buld desk in the name of Manfacturer using their own instruction.
If they are using Quran instruction why they Hide it. ?
Remember Mohammedans claim are using Quran when they do not. 
Peace.


What is important though is people start to build the desk(acting on the quran). Whether the people are adding or deleting instructions(in the quran) as you put it isn't going to change the outcome of having to build the desk(live life)......People will still have to build the desk but they just make it hard for themselves.

My main point being with the example is that one can reach the final destination without the quran but not without "belief" in God. Hence why God Alone notion is the most logical terminology to use rather than Quran alone as The Gods guidance/message isn't limited to the text in the quran.

PEACE
A book is only as good as it?s reader. Once opened symbols present themselves for the reader to decipher. We learn and relearn new conceptual models to comprehend these symbols. A book is only a tool.

Wakas

I was expecting much shorter answers, sorry if I was not clear.

Anyways, I do not have the power to ban anyone. I recommend you do not persist with baseless accusations.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

Bahman

Quote from: Wakas on January 15, 2008, 08:30:57 AM
I was expecting much shorter answers, sorry if I was not clear.

Sorry for taking your time .
here is short answer:
QuoteIs it your view that we need to believe in Quran in order to be saved (so to speak)?
God with no message is like road with no sign which way to turn.   
QuoteIs it your view that the only sure way to verify The Quran is using code-19?
Quran with no proof is another bible when most part of it is same.
QuoteIs it your view that the only sure way to verify God is through code-19?
Yes for Mohammedans Abjad, GV,Text,29 chapters . For rest of world  Simple Pure Numbers. 
QuoteDo you believe you are a divine messenger?
No.

Anyways, I do not have the power to ban anyone. I recommend you do not persist with baseless accusations.
the reason was because I recieved following message from you

From: Free-Minds (laytth@hotmail.com)   
Sent: December 11, 2007 7:21:46 AM
To:  y19net@msn.com

You have just been sent a personal message by Wakas on Free-Minds. IMPORTANT: Remember, this is just a notification. Please do not reply to this email. The message they sent you was:
salaam, Please use the personal message function when addressing a specific member, not the public forum. Thanks.
WakasModerator


and then layth wrote here.:
http://19.org/forum/index.php/mv/msg/7060/46548/0/#msg_46571


Dear Bahman,

I am sorry to hear that you were banned from the FM forum.

The moderators have the authority to take action based on certain criteria (mainly adhering to the rules of the forum) and they do not need to consult or revert back to me.

God willing I will look into the reasons behind the ban
.

How wevr that was break to do other things :)
Peace

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Bahman

Quote from: 2Pac - Notts on January 14, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
What is important though is people start to build the desk(acting on the quran). Whether the people are adding or deleting instructions(in the quran) as you put it isn't going to change the outcome of having to build the desk(live life)......People will still have to build the desk but they just make it hard for themselves.

My main point being with the example is that one can reach the final destination without the quran but not without "belief" in God. Hence why God Alone notion is the most logical terminology to use rather than Quran alone as The Gods guidance/message isn't limited to the text in the quran.

PEACE
By using Quran Alone all people believing in God Alone would follow same path and only one source. This do not mean that obey word by word of messages as the book was revealed 1400 years ago for human to end of worl. So there are messages that belongs to past or to location  like 2 women instead of one man to sign the contract.  Now we have to feel forms by financial institutions and be approved for our credit. Such message is not more valid unless for lections which do not let women to be educated and keep them in blue, black bag. 
Or when God authored for prophet hide behind Masque to fight enemy .the war is controlled by remote computerized robot and no chance hide behind Masque and many other messages that belongs to past.
To walk in same path we nee a common source.  A source that be sure is word of God not human.  Now we have proof for 29 + plus first chapters . We should accept those verse that matches our life in this era and those that are stopping us from building a desk that every body can use it should checked for right meaning or investigate for any manipulation.
Walking into unit we need a path which is God Alone but which direction there are many and for now we have only one divine one which is  Quran Alone.
Peace.
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Wakas

Thanks for shortening your answers. They were as I expected. From the email messages you showed (which in itself is a rule violation), Layth uses the plural "moderators", and as I said a single moderator cannot ban anyone.



If you still dispute the above, please note, the above message is 38 words long, which is 19x2, and there is 2 of us involved in this discussion... this is not coincidence, so it must be true.

;D
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

Bahman

Quote19x2
Peace everybody.
I see is time i say good bye to all those reading and those partcipating in my discussion. This forum and other forums have been like masue for me to learn and transfer my opinion. The evornment of this forum has been poisned by those that theri heart is beating with their parents belief and decorate with chanting God Alone but when you ask them which God? they strt mocking.

I become sad when  isee amoderator instead answering my queation mocks my belief which left athiesm due to solid proof that none of these high dgree holder are not able to produce even one.
Pleas forgive me for wrong spelling as i did not made a draft and all content od these post is done without any edit and corretion for last hour.

From now I am hosting those like to discuss issues with real name starting with knowng them on the line with real name.
Dear:
Kyle Jewell
Sister Majidah ( Maria)
Edip Yuksel
Layth Shaban
Idm Khizer
As'ad ( for security against  tyranouse Mohammedan in Iran I do reveal his last name.
and many more which my shor memory is not able to record all of them
All I ask from Layth and his moderator please do not delete my fileas i will use those for refernce sometime and may there be some word that be liked by truth seeker
Do you know 12692 (Googol^100) how many 19 is?
a figure with 12691 digits times 19 and then 1+2+6+9+2=19 
then 12692=19x668
6:68
If you see those who mock our revelations, you shall avoid them until they delve into another subject. If the devil causes you to forget, then, as soon as you remember, do not sit with such evil people.

I got vision that I should spend my time with poeple that agree with God Alone Quran Alone.
I have no discussion with you and poeple with. But rember these post and that message. The door is open any time yoiu repent to God Alone and do your life with Quran Alone according to TIME and LOCATION.
I am not follwing any brand name fro FM to PM to RM ........etc. I am believer. I believe God exist and Quran is protected as much we have discovered. 
66-8
O you who believe, you shall repent to GOD a firm repentance. Your Lord will then remit your sins and admit you into gardens with flowing streams. On that day, GOD will not disappoint the prophet and those who believed with him. Their light will radiate in front of them and to their right. They will say, "Our Lord, perfect our light for us, and forgive us; You are Omnipotent."

then 12691=7x1813= 7x259=7x37
12691=37x7x7x7

18-13
We narrate to you their history, truthfully. They were youths who believed in their Lord, and we increased their guidance.
Come and be one of them.

2:59
But the wicked among them carried out commands other than the commands given to them. Consequently, we sent down upon the transgressors condemnation from the sky, due to their wickedness.

25:9
Note how they called you all kinds of names, and how this led them astray, never to find their way back.

Hitory repeats but this time just for a simple beliver


3:7
He sent down to you this scripture, containing straightforward verses - which constitute the essence of the scripture - as well as multiple-meaning or allegorical verses. Those who harbor doubts in their hearts will pursue the multiple-meaning verses to create confusion, and to extricate a certain meaning. None knows the true meaning thereof except GOD and those well founded in knowledge. They say, "We believe in this - all of it comes from our Lord." Only those who possess intelligence will take heed.


[37:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[37:1] The arrangers in columns.

[37:2] The blamers of those to be blamed.

[37:3] The reciters of the messages.

[37:4] Your god is only one.

[37:5] The Lord of the heavens and the earth, and everything between them, and Lord of the easts.

[37:6] We have adorned the lowest heaven with adorning planets.

[37:7] We guarded it from every evil devil.

[37:8] They cannot spy on the High Society; they get bombarded from every side.

[37:9] They have been condemned; they have incurred an eternal retribution.

[37:10] If any of them ventures to charge the outer limits, he gets struck with a fierce projectile.

[37:11] Ask them, "Are they more difficult to create, or the other creations?" We created them from wet mud.

[37:12] While you are awed, they mock.

[37:13] When reminded, they take no heed.

[37:14] When they see proof, they ridicule it.

[37:15] They say, "This is obviously magic!

[37:16] "After we die and become dust and bones, do we get resurrected?

[37:17] "Even our ancient ancestors?"

[37:18] Say, "Yes, you will be forcibly summoned."

[37:19] All it takes is one nudge, whereupon they (stand up) looking.

[37:20] They will say, "Woe to us; this is the Day of Judgment."

[37:21] This is the day of decision that you used to disbelieve in.

[37:22] Summon the transgressors, and their spouses, and the idols they worshipped

[37:23] beside GOD, and guide them to the path of Hell.

[37:24] Stop them, and ask them:


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*37:5 Every heavenly body rises on the planet earth, and sets. Every rise is called "east."
*37:6 We live in the innermost and smallest universe. The jinns are confined to this universe.

[37:25] "Why do you not help one another?"

[37:26] They will be, on that day, totally submitting.

Mutual Blaming

[37:27] They will come to each other, questioning and blaming one another.

[37:28] They will say (to their leaders), "You used to come to us from the right side."

[37:29] They will respond, "It is you who were not believers.

[37:30] "We never had any power over you; it is you who were wicked.

[37:31] "We justly incurred our Lord's judgment; now we have to suffer.

[37:32] "We misled you, only because we were astray."

[37:33] Thus, together they will all partake of the retribution on that day.

[37:34] This is how we requite the guilty.

The First Commandment

[37:35] When they were told, "Laa Elaaha Ella Allah [There is no other god beside GOD]," they turned arrogant.

[37:36] They said, "Shall we leave our gods for the sake of a crazy poet?"

[37:37] In fact, he has brought the truth, and has confirmed the messengers.

[37:38] Most assuredly, you will taste the most painful retribution.

[37:39] You are requited only for what you have done.

[37:40] Only GOD's servants who are absolutely devoted to Him alone (will be saved).

[37:41] They have deserved provisions that are reserved specifically for them.

[37:42] All kinds of fruits. They will be honored.

[37:43] In the gardens of bliss.

[37:44] On furnishings close to one another.

[37:45] Cups of pure drinks will be offered to them.

[37:46] Clear and delicious for the drinkers.

[37:47] Never polluted, and never exhausted.

[37:48] With them will be wonderful companions.

[37:49] Protected like fragile eggs.

The Dwellers of Heaven Visit the Dwellers of Hell

[37:50] They will come to each other, and confer with one another.

[37:51] One of them will say, "I used to have a friend.

[37:52] "He used to mock: `Do you believe all this?

[37:53] " `After we die and turn into dust and bones, do we get called to account?' "

[37:54] He will say, "Just take a look!"

[37:55] When he looks, he will see his friend in the heart of Hell.

[37:56] He (will go to him and) say, "By GOD, you almost ruined me.

[37:57] "If it were not for my Lord's blessing, I would have been with you now.

[37:58] "(Do you still believe) that we die,

[37:59] "only the first death, and we never receive any requital?"

Redemption: The Greatest Triumph

[37:60] Such is the greatest triumph.

[37:61] This is what every worker should work for.

[37:62] Is this a better destiny, or the tree of bitterness?

[37:63] We have rendered it a punishment for the transgressors.

[37:64] It is a tree that grows in the heart of Hell.

[37:65] Its flowers look like the devils' heads.

[37:66] They will eat from it until their bellies are filled up.

[37:67] Then they will top it with a hellish drink.

[37:68] Then they will return to Hell.

They Followed Their Parents Blindly

[37:69] They found their parents astray.

[37:70] And they blindly followed in their footsteps.

[37:71] Most of the previous generations have strayed in the same manner.

[37:72] We have sent to them warners.

[37:73] Note the consequences for those who have been warned.

[37:74] Only GOD's servants who are absolutely devoted to Him alone (are saved).

Noah

[37:75] Thus, Noah called upon us, and we were the best responders.

[37:76] We saved him and his family from the great disaster.


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*37:55 People who make it to Heaven will be able to visit their relatives and friends in Hell, without adverse consequences. In the Hereafter, anyone can move downward, but not upward beyond a certain limit. The limit is decided by one's degree of growth and development (App. 5).
[37:77] We made his companions the survivors.

[37:78] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:79] Peace be upon Noah among the peoples.

[37:80] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:81] He is one of our believing servants.

[37:82] We drowned all the others.

Abraham

[37:83] Among his followers was Abraham.

[37:84] He came to his Lord wholeheartedly.

[37:85] He said to his father and his people, "What are you worshipping?

[37:86] "Is it these fabricated gods, instead of GOD, that you want?

[37:87] "What do you think of the Lord of the universe?"

[37:88] He looked carefully at the stars.

[37:89] Then he gave up and said, "I am tired of this!"

[37:90] They turned away from him.

[37:91] He then turned on their idols, saying, "Would you like to eat?

[37:92] "Why do you not speak?"

[37:93] He then destroyed them.

[37:94] They went to him in a great rage.

[37:95] He said, "How can you worship what you carve?

[37:96] "When GOD has created you, and everything you make!"

[37:97] They said, "Let us build a great fire, and throw him into it."

[37:98] They schemed against him, but we made them the losers.

[37:99] He said, "I am going to my Lord; He will guide me."

[37:100] "My Lord, grant me righteous children."

[37:101] We gave him good news of a good child.

Satanic Dream*

[37:102] When he grew enough to work with him, he said, "My son, I see in a dream that I am sacrificing you. What do you think?" He said, "O my father, do what you are commanded to do. You will find me, GOD willing, patient."*


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*37:102 The Most Merciful never advocates evil (7:28). As with Job, Satan claimed that Abraham loved his son too much, and was permitted to put Abraham to that severe test.

[37:103] They both submitted, and he put his forehead down (to sacrifice him).

God Intervenes to Save Abraham and Ismail

[37:104] We called him: "O Abraham.

[37:105] "You have believed the dream." We thus reward the righteous.

[37:106] That was an exacting test indeed.

[37:107] We ransomed (Ismail) by substituting an animal sacrifice.

[37:108] And we preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:109] Peace be upon Abraham.

[37:110] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:111] He is one of our believing servants.

Birth of Isaac

[37:112] Then we gave him the good news about the birth of Isaac, to be one of the righteous prophets.

[37:113] We blessed him and Isaac. Among their descendants, some are righteous, and some are wicked transgressors.

Moses and Aaron

[37:114] We also blessed Moses and Aaron.

[37:115] We delivered them and their people from the great disaster.

[37:116] We supported them, until they became the winners.

[37:117] We gave both of them the profound scripture.

[37:118] We guided them in the right path.

[37:119] We preserved their history for subsequent generations.

[37:120] Peace be upon Moses and Aaron.

[37:121] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:122] Both of them were among our righteous servants.

Elias

[37:123] Elias was one of the messengers.

[37:124] He said to his people, "Would you not work righteousness?

[37:125] "Do you worship a statue, instead of the Supreme Creator?

[37:126] "GOD; your Lord, and the Lord of your forefathers!"

[37:127] They disbelieved him. Consequently, they had to be called to account.

[37:128] Only GOD's servants who are absolutely devoted to Him alone (are saved).

[37:129] We preserved his history for subsequent generations.

[37:130] Peace be upon Elias, and all those like Elias.

[37:131] We thus reward the righteous.

[37:132] He was one of our believing servants.

Lot

[37:133] Lot was one of the messengers.

[37:134] We saved him and all his family.

[37:135] Only the old woman was doomed.

[37:136] We annihilated all the others.

[37:137] You still pass by their ruins by day.

[37:138] And by night. Would you understand?

Jonah

[37:139] Jonah was one of the messengers.

[37:140] He escaped to the loaded ship.

[37:141] He rebelled and thus, he joined the losers.

[37:142] Consequently, the fish swallowed him, and he was the one to blame.

[37:143] If it were not that he resorted to meditation (on God),

[37:144] he would have stayed in its belly until the Day of Resurrection.

[37:145] We had him thrown up into the desert, exhausted.

[37:146] We had a tree of edible fruit grown for him.

[37:147] Then we sent him to a hundred thousand, or more.

[37:148] They did believe, and we let them enjoy this life.

[37:149] Ask them if your Lord have daughters, while they have sons!

[37:150] Did we create the angels to be females? Did they witness that?

[37:151] Indeed, they grossly blaspheme when they say -

[37:152] "GOD has begotten a son." Indeed, they are liars.

[37:153] Did He choose the girls over the boys?


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*37:147 The Quran mentions 30 numbers: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 19, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 99, 100, 200, 300, 1000, 2000, 3000, 5000, 50000, and 100000. The sum of these numbers is 162146, or 19x8534 (see Appendix 1).
[37:154] What is wrong with your logic?

Addressing the Disbelievers

[37:155] Why do you not take heed?

[37:156] Do you have any proof?

[37:157] Show us your book, if you are truthful.

[37:158] They even invented a special relationship between Him and the jinns. The jinns themselves know that they are subservient.

[37:159] GOD be glorified; far above their claims.

[37:160] Only GOD's servants who are devoted to Him alone (are saved).

[37:161] Indeed, you and what you worship.

[37:162] Cannot impose anything on Him.

[37:163] Only you will burn in Hell.

The Angels

[37:164] Each one of us has a specific job.

[37:165] We are the arrangers.

[37:166] We have duly glorified (our Lord).

Following The Parents Blindly

[37:167] They used to say,

[37:168] "Had we received the correct instructions from our parents,

[37:169] "we would have been worshipers; devoted to GOD alone."

[37:170] But they disbelieved, and they will surely find out.

Victory for the Messengers Guaranteed

[37:171] Our decision is already decreed for our servants the messengers.

[37:172] They are surely the victors.

[37:173] Our soldiers are the winners.

[37:174] So disregard them for awhile.

[37:175] Watch them; they too will watch.

[37:176] Do they challenge our retribution?

[37:177] When it hits them one day, it will be a miserable day; they have been sufficiently warned.

[37:178] Disregard them for awhile.

[37:179] Watch them; they too will watch.

[37:180] Glory be to your Lord, the great Lord; far above their claims.

[37:181] Peace be upon the messengers.

[37:182] Praise be to GOD, Lord of the universe.


Praise be to God Lord of Universe.
Peace
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Wakas

Bahman,

You are right, my comment could be seen as mocking your belief, but I was also making a point. More correctly, I was mocking the methodology of code-19, e.g. that it can be manipulated to "prove" many things, no matter how absurd. The methodology of code-19 is significantly flawed, as shown by the discussion/articles brothers Ayman and Edip had. Please note, flaws in code-19 methodology in no way imply there is no mathematical component in AQ.

I asked you those questions because I wanted to see how much of your view was AQ based and how much was code-19 based. To prove your views are AQ based, feel free to write some articles on the answers you gave, and we will see if they stand up.
All information in my posts is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should seek knowledge and verify: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11. [url="http://mypercept.co.uk/articles/"]My articles[/url]

[url="//www.studyquran.org"]www.studyQuran.org[/url]

jaythikay99

Dear Bahman,

Keep trying, may be some day you'll be able to convince yourself that the Quran is the book of God through code-19.

:handshake:

OPF

Bahman, maybe you can give a method to falsify Code 19 and make it mathematics, not numerology. Until then, keep your unproven conjecture off the quran.

Bahman

Quote from: Wakas on January 16, 2008, 07:58:14 AM
Bahman,

You are right, my comment could be seen as mocking your belief, but I was also making a point. More correctly, I was mocking the methodology of code-19, e.g. that it can be manipulated to "prove" many things, no matter how absurd. The methodology of code-19 is significantly flawed, as shown by the discussion/articles brothers Ayman and Edip had. Please note, flaws in code-19 methodology in no way imply there is no mathematical component in AQ.

I asked you those questions because I wanted to see how much of your view was AQ based and how much was code-19 based. To prove your views are AQ based, feel free to write some articles on the answers you gave, and we will see if they stand up.

Peace.
Yet you are here and me too,  :) but either one 6 years older and certainly as the time goes the things changes too, new ideas, opinions , and views.

Do you have same opinion?
peace


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Lena

Quote from: ayani on January 13, 2008, 10:24:42 AM
hmm, interesting point. the Quran *calls* for unity based upon the adoration and trust of God / Allah alone- even across religious lines, certainly across any ethnic or national lines.

the path of God is described as submission to God, remembrance of God, conciousness of God throughout the day, gratitude, righteousness.... i am making a small list of passags that describe very beautifully this deen, i may begin a new thread later.

salam ~ hanifa


:bravo:    Well done.