Quote from: Allen on October 13, 2007, 01:53:23 PM
Quran says :
إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ﴿15:9﴾
(15:9) As regards this Admonition, it is We Who have sent it down, and We Ourself will preserve it.
So it is preserved
RK standardized the Quran on Mathematics and said that Quran is not preserved i.e God word is wrong (m3aazallah) and extracted two verses;
It clearly shows two conclusions :
--Quran aloners think God's word is wrong
-- Mathematics is standard not God's word
In the meantime, ?Umar sat on the pulpit and when the callmakers for the prayer had finished their call, ?Umar stood up, and having glorified and praised Allah as He deserved, he said, ?Now then, I am going to tell you something which (Allah) has written for me to say. I do not know; perhaps it portends my death, so whoever understands and remembers it, must narrate it to the others wherever his mount takes him, but if somebody is afraid that he does not understand it, then it is unlawful for him to tell lies about me. Allah sent Muhammad with the Truth and revealed the Holy Book to him, and among what Allah revealed, was the Verse of the Rajam (the stoning of married person (male & female) who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and we did recite this Verse and understood and memorized it. Allah?s Apostle did carry out the punishment of stoning and so did we after him.
I am afraid that after a long time has passed, somebody will say,
?By Allah, we do not find the Verse of the Rajam in Allah?s Book,? and thus they will go astray by leaving an obligation which Allah has revealed. And the punishment of the Rajam is to be inflicted to any married person (male & female), who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if the required evidence is available or there is conception or confession.
And then we used to recite among the Verses in Allah?s Book: ?O people! Do not claim to be the offspring of other than your fathers, as it is disbelief (unthankfulness) on your part that you claim to be the offspring of other than your real father.? Then (unrelated) [1]
2
Narrated Ibn ?Abbas:
Umar said, ?I am afraid that after a long time has passed, people may say, ?We do not find the Verses of the Rajam (stoning to death) in the Holy Book,? and consequently they may go astray by leaving an obligation that Allah has revealed. Lo! I confirm that the penalty of Rajam be inflicted on him who commits illegal sexual intercourse, if he is already married and the crime is proved by witnesses or pregnancy or confession.? Sufyan added, ?I have memorized this narration in this way.? ?Umar added, ?Surely Allah?s Apostle carried out the penalty of Rajam, and so did we after him.? [2]
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Ibn Mardawayh reported that Hudhayfah said:
Umar said to me ?How many verses are contained in the chapter of al-Ahzab?? I said, ?72 or 73 verses.?
He said it was almost as long as the chapter of the Cow, which contains 287 verses, and in it there was the verse of stoning.[4]
5
Ayesha:
?When the verses ?Rajm? [Stoning] and ayah ?Rezah Kabir? descended, they were written on a piece of paper and kept under my pillow. Following the demise of Prophet Muhammad (S)
a goat ate the piece of paper while we were mourning.?
Another translation goes:
The verse of stoning and of suckling an adult ten times were revealed, and they were (written) on a paper and kept under my bed. When the Messenger of Allah (SAWW.) expired and we were preoccupied with his death,
a goat entered and ate away the paper.[5]
