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Doesnt religion seem a little strange?

Started by aallya, August 08, 2007, 05:19:22 AM

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SwedenMajidah

Quote from: ImamQuranonly on November 23, 2007, 11:47:37 PM
It amazes me the number of non believers in Allah and worshippers of their own selves lurk on this forum that is designed to be dedicated to the study of Al Quran; by those who believe that it is divine scripture from Allah (the creator and sustainer of all things known and unknown). 

Why are some of you here instead of at some agnostic or aetheist site?  Especially as moderators?  Are you just here to try to ruin the faith of those who believe in Al Quran and Allah?  If that is the case, then you are no more than tools of the Shaiyateen.

As Salaamu Alaikum,  :peace:

Peace,

It amaze me more that you seems to have forgot that this forum is made for everyone no matter of what kind of beliefs you have. And doesn't the forum name "Free-Minds" telling you something?

And who is God? and who is Shaitan? can you tell me that??????

I'm one of the first members of this forum but you are just a newbeginner.

Maria


SwedenMajidah

Quote from: amin on November 24, 2007, 12:00:19 AM
Peace Maria,

Good Points,

I think Quran as a  kind of advice, God's advice to Mohammed, his people and me.

like when we are on a travel, a guide just really tells me where is what etc like a map... but ADVICE is something given by someone more knowledgeable detailing what you  will experience there and what others had experienced before.
like an advice given by the mother to her kid on a tour, some advices may be just to frighten us that we may not get lost or  into trouble and need not be true  and an intelligent kid like me knows that what my mothers intention is:)

After all he is my dear loving GOD isnt HE?.

amin.



Peace Amin,

Well I both agree and disagree with you.

I can also see Quran as a guide or a map like you point out but I see it as a guide from a fellow brother(Muhammad) instead of God.

God or the Higher power is there for us to recieve our thoughts and wishes and return it to us in a more powerful way. The Universe is a fair place because it will give to us what we beg for. Therefore we are ourself to blame if got in trouble and run out of money and such because likely then we have attract wrong things to us that make this negative events happen to us.

So to be in harmony we must make ourself to attract good things and be good ,think good thoughts, work to achieve goodness in our surroundings etc.

Maria

jaythikay99

Quote from: ImamQuranonly on November 23, 2007, 11:47:37 PM
It amazes me the number of non believers in Allah and worshippers of their own selves lurk on this forum that is designed to be dedicated to the study of Al Quran; by those who believe that it is divine scripture from Allah (the creator and sustainer of all things known and unknown). 

Why are some of you here instead of at some agnostic or aetheist site?  Especially as moderators?  Are you just here to try to ruin the faith of those who believe in Al Quran and Allah?  If that is the case, then you are no more than tools of the Shaiyateen.

As Salaamu Alaikum,  :peace:

??? :rotfl:

jaythikay99

Quote from: SwedenMajidah on November 24, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
And who is God? and who is Shaitan? can you tell me that??????
According to the Muslims, God is Allah and Shaitan is a bad guy.

SwedenMajidah

Peace Rasul Hamza,

Oh well thanks for your simple explanations :)

But I guess no one can explain who is God and Who is Shaitan  :rotfl:

Why not accept that you are lost!?

It's better to accept that you are here on earth and respect that you are part of something big and it's best for you to co-operate with things around you.

Why beating around the bush and claim things to the left and right all the times :yuck:

Accept the reality, accept the nature, all beings, Universe then you are a believer.

Maria

amin

Quote from: SwedenMajidah on November 24, 2007, 08:36:18 PM
Peace Amin,

Well I both agree and disagree with you.

I can also see Quran as a guide or a map like you point out but I see it as a guide from a fellow brother(Muhammad) instead of God.

God or the Higher power is there for us to recieve our thoughts and wishes and return it to us in a more powerful way. The Universe is a fair place because it will give to us what we beg for. Therefore we are ourself to blame if got in trouble and run out of money and such because likely then we have attract wrong things to us that make this negative events happen to us.

So to be in harmony we must make ourself to attract good things and be good ,think good thoughts, work to achieve goodness in our surroundings etc.

Maria

Peace Maria,

I agree to some extent,

I also didnt see Quran as a guide but as an message or advice to Mohammed and his people around him who required it at that point of time and also may be now.
I see everything as signs of god including Quran, Mohammed  and everything we see around us, we have a message there , to learn from it .
I don't consider Quran as the only place where we get Gods message.

everyone is searching for the source[GOD], I strongly believe we can get spiritual or emotional support only from our source[God], and when we do good, indirectly we get the help of our surroundings.
the surroundings support us emotively.

If everything  around me is bad, its difficult for the surrounding to support me?  so there need a consensus, a unity for GOOD and  so some created the  religion (a group)  and the need for a single god to seek to support from.

So I think "Do GOOD love others and a single God to seek support" will be the mantra.

amin.

ayani

amin~ ameyn to that.... you said exactly how i feel.  :yay:

Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but piety is one who believes in God and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Scripture, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the communion, and who contributes towards betterment; as well as those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of good and bad and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and they are the righteous. 2:177

And your god is but One god, there is no god but He; the Almighty, the Merciful. 2:163
Salam al-Masih

ImamQuranonly

Peace SwedenMajidah,

Maybe you have forgotten:

Forum Rules - READ!
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1] The Administrator and Moderator has the final say on all interpretation and implementation of forum rules and guidelines. Any questions about these decisions should be inquired to any of the moderators through a private message (PM) for clarification. 

2] Please note that this forum is primarily dedicated to the study and understanding of the Scripture (Quran). Thus, mocking it or not being able to back-up claims with specifics will all result in deletion of such posts and/or removal of topic and/or disciplinary action being taken against the offending member.

Basically calling the quran a figment of Muhammad's imagination and not from the creator of the universe whom we call Allah, is MOCKING IT!  Remember that it is you that endorsed the following piece of blasphemy:

Quote from: Mohammad Saleem Khan on August 16, 2007, 12:49:46 AM
Does presnt highly technologically advanced world requires a supersticious concept of a supernatural diety to be accepted as master lord of universe and to  rely upon. Every civilzation has given a name to such a non existing supernatural diety since ages in all languages and these languages have been developed by human itself during an evolutionary course of milloion of years and attributed words names to objects, state, activites. So is the case with thsat diety. In english it is "GOD" in hindi it is"BHAGWAN", in farsi it is "AHARMAN & YZDAN" in egypy it was "OSIRIS" in greek it was "SATURN" "JUPITER" etc. and in arabic it is "ALLAH" which may have its originn from dead aramic or hebrew.

So the first point is to define what GOD is? what is its concept? than define what is a religion? why a human need it? if not than what is it that human should take guidance from?

Moreover why maculine gender like "HE", "HIM" "HIS" are used for Allah or God? every thing is differentiated and recognised, identified, specified  from its opposite, so if God is HE a male than it must be different from a female, and differnce is based on physical structure, so Allah or God must be having male organ and also reproductive organ also otherwise that God cant be called as HE HIM HIs, but this all unacceptable.

All explanations, clarification should be logicall and scintific and justifiable.
Why a person should seek guidance from a book existing in arabic language attributed to a supernatural male diety, is that diety commonluy called as ALLAH or GOD is arabic? why should a person first take pains to learn arbic language and than seek guidance. If allah is master of entire universe than it should have sent guidance in all languages to all people of world but why arabic? why one should follow arabs and arabic cultural and customs?

How can one explain logically that this mterialistically arabic book called as Quran and other scriptures as claimed by aother reliogionists such as bilble etc are from that unseen supernatural non material diety? is it logically acceptable?

Suppose a person to day declares that he is a messenger of god and reveletions are being sebnt down upon him by an unseen spicie called as angel, will any one believe on him?

So the concept of a humanly God is self created and illogical.
Wha we have with us in front and around us is nature and its laws in universe, which we are supposed to accept and follow. As faras the creator is concerned we are not obliged to serach it out and to implore  and beg to it, worship it su[persticiously please it by bowing down , prostrating, offering sacrifices of animals, that creator what ever it is does not demand us to do all these ritual self made worshipping activities.


All those persons who are called as prophets or messengers are actually reformers, revoluionists, intellegent philosphers who mioght have revolotionalized thier socities in which they live and they all must have ben messengers of laws of nature.

The cretaor of this universe does not at all ionterfere in human matters, not concerned with any activity. Laws have been gine to us by that creator which we have to follow, Tjhat LAW is actually God or Allah[/i][/u].

Quran was also written by Mohammad  arabic in his mother language in arabic society after deep observing nature and his society. He must have been a great philospher, tourist, traveller, trader, ihtellegent person a wealthy powerful educated man of his time whio revolutinalized his system.

Constructive positive comments/replies are highly appriciable and respected.

Mohammad saleem Khan

with the following quote:

Quote from: SwedenMajidah on November 23, 2007, 07:05:22 PM
Peace Brother,

I just love what you have written above :sun:

For me all so called religious scriptures have both excellent points and not so convinced verses and if we read them with an open mind you might notice of which you shall take as a guide and which it's best you leave behind.

Peace
Maria

So while it is obvious that you were one of the first members to this forum, sometime after the time you joined, the owner of the site decided to come up with rules for this forum; the above one of which I highlighted, you are not adhering to this qualification, nor is the orginal poster of this information. 

While Free-minds may be the title of the website, I think the forum rules better define the purpose of the forum than your own idea of what "freeminds" means to YOU.  Also, while I think this website and forum invites all people to come to join in the study of this scripture, it is not a liscense to mock the scripture as has been done and then endorsed by you; as is evidenced by the forum rules.

I seriously think the owner of the site needs to consider your views and mocking of the scripture, and not their friendship with you, to make a change in your being qualified to be a moderator for this forum.  Being a member is not a problem, as eventually it may lead you to guidance from Allah through Al Quran.  But blasphemy against Allah and Al Quran through mocking them are already a part of the forum rules as something not to be accepted.  So how can it be accepted from a "moderator"?

Quote from: SwedenMajidah on November 24, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
Peace,

It amaze me more that you seems to have forgot that this forum is made for everyone no matter of what kind of beliefs you have. And doesn't the forum name "Free-Minds" telling you something?

And who is God? and who is Shaitan? can you tell me that??????

I'm one of the first members of this forum but you are just a newbeginner.

Maria

I may be a "newbeginner" in your eyes.  So that can mean to you whatever it means to you.  Maybe you think Allah favors you more because of how long you have been here?  ???  Oh wait, you don't believe in Allah, Allah is only the universe to you; hence creation.  That's called SHIRK in Al Quran.  So no wonder you have a problem understanding who is God and who is Shaitan.  Enough said.

As Salaamu Alaikum,  :peace:
As Salaamu Alaikum wa RaHmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu,

ImamQuranonly

SwedenMajidah

Peace,

I really don't want to discuss things with closedminded people, it's like hitting a wall :brickwall:

And Once more, I'm not a moderator!!!

And I really pity your wife who must struggle alot with an aggressive sunni.

Maria

ImamQuranonly

Peace SwedenMajidah,

Ahhhhhhhhhh...you are right..you are not a moderator.  I don't how I got that into my mind.  Must have been something else on my mind.  Oh well...anyway...good for freeminds.  :bravo:

No need to pity my wife, I'm not sunni.  ;)  A little aggressive, probably.  ;D  But real woman don't have a problem wiht aggressive men as long as the are not abusive, which I am not!  :jedi:

Good luck to you and I guess your "passive" husband, if you are indeed married.  :angel:

Peace to the middle east and non-believers as well.  I was simply pointing out your obvious state, but you are entitled to it and it doesn't bother me one bit, now that I realize that you are not a moderator.

Quote from: SwedenMajidah on November 25, 2007, 04:05:23 PM
Peace,

I really don't want to discuss things with closedminded people, it's like hitting a wall :brickwall:

And Once more, I'm not a moderator!!!

And I really pity your wife who must struggle alot with an aggressive sunni.

Maria
As Salaamu Alaikum wa RaHmatullaahi wa Barakaatuhu,

ImamQuranonly